Will the Plane Take-Off - Merged with MythBusters Show Thread
01-31-2008, 10:55 AM
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i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
01-31-2008, 10:57 AM
#882
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
I noticed that this morning as well.
01-31-2008, 10:59 AM
#883
Go Giants
Those people need to produce a 100 yard treadmill then......
01-31-2008, 11:04 AM
#884
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
01-31-2008, 11:10 AM
#885
it's me, Alan Rickman.
Here's why I think it was wrong.. they should have put the plane on a conveyor belt [and FYI a long thing of frabric is not a conveyor belt] and allowed the PLANE to power it
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
01-31-2008, 11:19 AM
#889
man...its like no one listened to what he said about the free flowing wheels....the wheels have nothing to do with it meaning whats under the wheel is really useless...and i think people are having a hard time thinking that way...
and for those who say they should use a conveyer belt...thats just stupid...where the hell are they going to get a huge ass conveyer belt to test this out...it is myth busters not us air force...
and for the comment of y dont we have shorter runways...the answer is...sometimes planes dont take off and for survival purposes the runways are made longer to give the plane a chance to slow down...but everyone should remember when riding in a plane you never go down the whole run way...you dont really start doing anything till the engine starts and you feel yourself being PUSHED not Pulled as a car would do...going down the runway...
people are mad cuz its busted...get over it...your not as smart as you thought you were...now to convince my roomate....HAHAHAHAHA...i knew i was right...i love myth busters...smash lab on the other hand sucks big bollas
and for those who say they should use a conveyer belt...thats just stupid...where the hell are they going to get a huge ass conveyer belt to test this out...it is myth busters not us air force...
and for the comment of y dont we have shorter runways...the answer is...sometimes planes dont take off and for survival purposes the runways are made longer to give the plane a chance to slow down...but everyone should remember when riding in a plane you never go down the whole run way...you dont really start doing anything till the engine starts and you feel yourself being PUSHED not Pulled as a car would do...going down the runway...
people are mad cuz its busted...get over it...your not as smart as you thought you were...now to convince my roomate....HAHAHAHAHA...i knew i was right...i love myth busters...smash lab on the other hand sucks big bollas
01-31-2008, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmahh
Here's why I think it was wrong.. they should have put the plane on a conveyor belt [and FYI a long thing of frabric is not a conveyor belt] and allowed the PLANE to power it
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
How would the plane "power" the treadmill? The plane doesn't have power to the wheels. Anyone who posted this sort of thing before = dumb. Anyone who posts this sort of thing now = dumb x50.
01-31-2008, 11:30 AM
#891
Originally Posted by Timmahh
Here's why I think it was wrong.. they should have put the plane on a conveyor belt [and FYI a long thing of frabric is not a conveyor belt] and allowed the PLANE to power it
Timmahh - Please explain to me how you would have the plane power the conveyor belt.
01-31-2008, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmahh
Here's why I think it was wrong.. they should have put the plane on a conveyor belt [and FYI a long thing of frabric is not a conveyor belt] and allowed the PLANE to power it
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
By using a tread mill, etc, they've got two variables, the plane should have been on a free spinning conveyor belt, allowing it to spin the conveyor belt as fast as they wanted. By throttling up to full speed they were overcoming the power from the tread mill [in the small test]
I don't think it was accurate, they should have done it the way I SEYZ!
at least water-s refrains from posting in threads this far above his IQ...
Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
01-31-2008, 11:38 AM
#894
I shave my change purse
Explanation for the simple minded...
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01-31-2008, 11:43 AM
#895
Go Giants
Is the result online?
01-31-2008, 11:46 AM
#896
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Originally Posted by Smalls
wasn't is srika and I who had to talk you into changing your mind?
blimey!!!!!!!
01-31-2008, 11:49 AM
#897
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
01-31-2008, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
I'm gonna be honest with you. This is the way I felt after watching the video. I felt they didn't go AS FAR as they needed to to COMPLETELY prove it. The plane got off the ground rather quickly. See, I think ultimately this would have to be done with a commercial airliner. The outcome would be the same - but - it would have more impact than what they did here. Watching this just seemed so uneventful.
also think of what kind of conveyor you'd need to move a commercial airliner...
a plane is a plane they all fly based on the same rules, an ultralight just needs less lift to get off the ground, hence smaller wings, smaller engine etc... still a plane
I agree though that it wasn't very 'sensational' but I don't think it would've been feasible for them to make it so.
01-31-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
I'm gonna be honest with you. This is the way I felt after watching the video. I felt they didn't go AS FAR as they needed to to COMPLETELY prove it. The plane got off the ground rather quickly. See, I think ultimately this would have to be done with a commercial airliner. The outcome would be the same - but - it would have more impact than what they did here. Watching this just seemed so uneventful.
they did a small plane on the conveyor belt...took off...
they then did it on a large peice of fabric like a conveyor belt...took off...
then with a real plane (not commercial but still real) on a tarp being pulled by a truck...and it still took off...3 times is a charm for me...after that its just turning the blade....ooooooooo
01-31-2008, 11:58 AM
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^^^ yea.. i know.. im just sayin.
01-31-2008, 12:00 PM
#901
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props to them for addressing it tho.
and despite all the flack they knew they would receive about this one...
01-31-2008, 12:10 PM
#904
Originally Posted by srika
^^^ yea.. i know.. im just sayin.
but the 99% of people on the discovery board complaining...i have only two words for you
COME ONNNNNNN!!!!!.....lol...love that episode...
01-31-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by WILLDOGS
Explanation for the simple minded...
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Well done, but I think they needed to use puppets to get through to some people.
01-31-2008, 12:45 PM
#906
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Originally Posted by AcUrAge703
lol...at least your one to admit to being beat...so your cool anyway...
but the 99% of people on the discovery board complaining...i have only two words for you
COME ONNNNNNN!!!!!.....lol...love that episode...
but the 99% of people on the discovery board complaining...i have only two words for you
COME ONNNNNNN!!!!!.....lol...love that episode...
my first posts in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...&page=24&pp=25
01-31-2008, 12:46 PM
#907
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Originally Posted by cibs
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If this guy is surprised he should have his pilot's license revoked. He should know that the ONLY thing that matters in making the airplane fly is that there's enough air passing across the wings. As long as the engine has enough power to overcome the conveyor belt moving backwards + giving the plane enough speed to take off (i.e. the engine has to work twice as hard) then it will fly.
What's the big freakin' deal people? How much money did they spend doing this anyway? They could have fed an entire African village instead I'm sure.
01-31-2008, 12:49 PM
#908
Go Giants
I don't think the engine is working twice as hard.....
01-31-2008, 12:50 PM
#909
The messages from actual pilots that still don't believe this scare me. And people asked me why I wanted to be a aircraft mechanic instead of a pilot. This lends significance to my argument that it doesn't take any brains to be a pilot.
Some of the best comments I came across on the Discovery board:
This is the one that got me worried:
He even left his name.
Some of the best comments I came across on the Discovery board:
If you stand on a treadmill wearing roller skates while holding on to a rope you will remain stationary. Start pulling on the rope and you move. Pulling = engine thrust, and thus air will pass over the wings and produce lift. Its pretty simple. A harder problem for me to solve is how to kill people through the internet, which after reading some of these comments sounds highly attractive.
He even left his name.
As a dedicated mythbusters fan who loves your show, I’m here to tell you that your airplane on the conveyor belt is busted. Here’s why: To get an airplane to fly depends on aerodynamic forces produced by airflow over the wing. If there is no airflow, there will be no lift produced and the airplane will not get airborne. If there is no wind then the plane must move relative to the surface of the earth in order to produce airflow over the wing and thereby lift. This is the propeller’s job, to get the airplane moving relative to the surface of the earth. In your experiment the plane was moving relative to the surface of the earth and thus producing airflow over the wing and enough lift to get it airborne. If the experiment had been true, with the belt and the plane “moving” at the same speed, then the plane would not move relative to the earth and no airflow would be produced over the wing.
The problem was that your belt was not fully supporting the airplane. The weight of the plane was transferred through the belt to the earth’s surface. This achieved sufficient friction with the earth to allow the airplane to accelerate relative to the belt and the earth. Your dedicated viewer,
Chip Lancaster, MS Aeronautical Engineering
37 years of pilot experience, San Diego, CA
The problem was that your belt was not fully supporting the airplane. The weight of the plane was transferred through the belt to the earth’s surface. This achieved sufficient friction with the earth to allow the airplane to accelerate relative to the belt and the earth. Your dedicated viewer,
Chip Lancaster, MS Aeronautical Engineering
37 years of pilot experience, San Diego, CA
01-31-2008, 12:55 PM
#912
Originally Posted by srika
uhh.. i was on the "right" side from the start..
my first posts in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...&page=24&pp=25
my first posts in this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...&page=24&pp=25
01-31-2008, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wstevens
Where is that fucking piece of crap douche bag that always signs his stupid fucking piece of garbage name ("Mike") at the end of every one of his moronic posts?
That fucking engineer-wannabe retard is a danger to society and should be dragged behind a truck until all of his limbs fall off. Then, a bunch of smarmy, homeless Mexicans should pounce on his bloody, limbless torso, gouge his eyes out, and gang bang his near-empty skull until they collectively blow their loads all over his tiny pea brain.
Also, his parents should be killed for conceiving him.
That fucking engineer-wannabe retard is a danger to society and should be dragged behind a truck until all of his limbs fall off. Then, a bunch of smarmy, homeless Mexicans should pounce on his bloody, limbless torso, gouge his eyes out, and gang bang his near-empty skull until they collectively blow their loads all over his tiny pea brain.
Also, his parents should be killed for conceiving him.
01-31-2008, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i have officially lost faith in humanity. if you read the discovery forums, everyone is arguing they did it wrong and the myth was wrong. and i dont just mean i few people, i mean 99% of everyone is screaming bluddy murder that they didnt do it right. people are officially dumb and i hate everybody. these are the people that i have to sit behind in traffic jams. these are the people that take 15 minutes to serve me my fries and cheesburger/ these are the people that should be taken by the government and destroyed and sterilized.
oh....sorry.
oh....sorry.
01-31-2008, 01:07 PM
#918
GEEZER
:airspeed:
01-31-2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AcUrAge703
u must know im not even gonna go read through that thread...but i will take your word for it...
01-31-2008, 01:10 PM
#920
I was just discussing the fact that some people still don't believe this with my brother. His analogy was hysterical.
That's like saying if you're riding in a train and you jump up into the air, you'll go flying backwards.
That's like saying if you're riding in a train and you jump up into the air, you'll go flying backwards.