KTUNER for the Type S is OUT!
#1
KTUNER for the Type S is OUT!
It is now live! My wife will kill me if I upload the tune tonight since it's Valentines day but I'll surely be doing it in the morning! Good luck to all who have the KTuner unit who will be doing the flashes. I will also update back once I have my flash installed.
https://ktuner.com/2021tlxtypes/
https://ktuner.com/2021tlxtypes/
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#5
Finally! I'll be waiting with great anticipation to see what people can put down with this tune.
It seems KTuner's dyno is very generous. Stock numbers were in the 335wHP range, way higher than other numbers I've seen. Regardless, let's see what times this can put down. Hopefully that hondamobilemechanic guy can throw a tune on his with full bolt-ons and see what this car is capable of.
It seems KTuner's dyno is very generous. Stock numbers were in the 335wHP range, way higher than other numbers I've seen. Regardless, let's see what times this can put down. Hopefully that hondamobilemechanic guy can throw a tune on his with full bolt-ons and see what this car is capable of.
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#8
I'm a little surprised we're not seeing bigger gains. I wonder what the bottleneck is...looks like the turbo runs out of steam by 5500 RPMs, which is where the stock tune also starts falling off if I recall from my test drive. The CTR with its small 2.0T got a 50hp gain on their Stage 1 tune.
Last edited by fiatlux; 02-15-2023 at 07:37 PM.
#9
im running map 3 on my JB4 and haven't noticed trans issues. When its really cold, like single digits it'll stick a bit but I'm sure thats with mostly all cars. that 30 degree area seems to be a real sweet spot for the type s.
#10
I'm a little surprised we're not seeing bigger gains. I wonder what the bottleneck is...looks like the turbo runs out of steam by 5500 RPMs, which is where the stock tune also starts falling off if I recall from my test drive. The CTR with its small 2.0T got a 50hp gain on their Stage 1 tune.
true but the torque curve on the type s is ridiculous. I'm interested to see if a company like PRL makes a stage 2 drop in turbo upgrade for the type s eventually. not sure there's enough demand for it though.
#11
Good to hear, what kind of performance improvement you seeing?
#12
Ok, quick update. I actually was able to get it installed on Valentines Day. I've been playing around with the different tune options to see which one I like better. Here are my impressions so far.
1. Much improved throttle response.
2. Low- end has moderate improvements.
3. Midrange is absolutely PRODIGOUS.
4. Top-end had gone from running out of steam well before redline to pulling moderately hard to redline.
Cliff notes is this is now a different animal. Basically the biggest crying point for all the keyboard warriors is a moot point now that the tune is out. I would be flabbergasted if the Type S with the Stage 1 tune wouldn't easily out run the Stingers, G70's and "should" pull on the Q60 some now as well. As long as you don't need a huge backseat it's, in my opinion, the perfect daily driver now.
*Real world anecdote. The lane I was in was ending soon so I punched it a little from the light to be able to get over. My 6 year old Daughter asked "Can we do that again? I got that funny feeling in my stomach that I like when you did that." She has NEVER said that before until now.*
1. Much improved throttle response.
2. Low- end has moderate improvements.
3. Midrange is absolutely PRODIGOUS.
4. Top-end had gone from running out of steam well before redline to pulling moderately hard to redline.
Cliff notes is this is now a different animal. Basically the biggest crying point for all the keyboard warriors is a moot point now that the tune is out. I would be flabbergasted if the Type S with the Stage 1 tune wouldn't easily out run the Stingers, G70's and "should" pull on the Q60 some now as well. As long as you don't need a huge backseat it's, in my opinion, the perfect daily driver now.
*Real world anecdote. The lane I was in was ending soon so I punched it a little from the light to be able to get over. My 6 year old Daughter asked "Can we do that again? I got that funny feeling in my stomach that I like when you did that." She has NEVER said that before until now.*
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#14
I'm a little surprised we're not seeing bigger gains. I wonder what the bottleneck is...looks like the turbo runs out of steam by 5500 RPMs, which is where the stock tune also starts falling off if I recall from my test drive. The CTR with its small 2.0T got a 50hp gain on their Stage 1 tune.
It does appear that at it's peak power, the Stage 1 makes ~45wHP more than the stock. 335wHP vs 380wHP. So, this Stage 1 does seem like it brings the TLX-S to the coveted "400HP" mark.
Agreed that there seems to be a bottleneck. But, despite what I was saying before that the turbo is on the small side, for the graphs to be nearly identical along the powerband and for it to fall off similarly at 5500RPM, I'm thinking the cylinder head design may be the restriction here with airflow being restricted at higher RPM. I may be wrong here, but I would have suspected a much steeper drop off after peak power if it was the turbo that was the limiting factor. I'm no expert though.
I'd suspect this will allow the car to run neck and neck, if not maybe edge out, the G70/Stinger. Perhaps someone will reach out to SamCarLegion after flashing this tune and run a G70/Stinger, S4/S5 or maybe even a ScatPack to see how it stacks up. So long as Sam isn't driving, it should be interesting to see.
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#15
I'd suspect this will allow the car to run neck and neck, if not maybe edge out, the G70/Stinger. Perhaps someone will reach out to SamCarLegion after flashing this tune and run a G70/Stinger, S4/S5 or maybe even a ScatPack to see how it stacks up. So long as Sam isn't driving, it should be interesting to see.
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The dyno used is on point for at the wheel readings and is usually very close to Dynojet. It does not read high like some other companies. Note that this was ran in 2WD so there may be less losses vs others who run in AWD. In the end the comparison of before and after is really what counts.
It's a Stage 1 tune at a low 18PSI, no bottleneck.
It's a Stage 1 tune at a low 18PSI, no bottleneck.
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“Application Notes:
We’ve found boost control on this application to vary wildly from vehicle to vehicle, even on the factory tune. Some users in cold weather and cold intake/coolant/oil temperatures together may experience a momentary “cut” if logged actual boost pressure exceeds the ECU’s target. We have retained the overboost protection feature for safety. This will feel like a very short substantial reduction in power, usually followed by an upshift to the next gear. If this occurs we recommend trying a tune with midrange dampening.
No additional tuning can be changed at this time”
Just in case someone was wondering why it took as long as it did to release.
We’ve found boost control on this application to vary wildly from vehicle to vehicle, even on the factory tune. Some users in cold weather and cold intake/coolant/oil temperatures together may experience a momentary “cut” if logged actual boost pressure exceeds the ECU’s target. We have retained the overboost protection feature for safety. This will feel like a very short substantial reduction in power, usually followed by an upshift to the next gear. If this occurs we recommend trying a tune with midrange dampening.
No additional tuning can be changed at this time”
Just in case someone was wondering why it took as long as it did to release.
#19
One other quick update. I've noticed that the Idle start-stop seems to be disabled with the Stage 1 Tune. However, that could be a good thing, especially one I add the downpipe and exhaust combo. I'd hate for it to go from dead silent to full start up at every single stop light now that I think about it with a louder than stock exhaust system.
#21
“Application Notes:
We’ve found boost control on this application to vary wildly from vehicle to vehicle, even on the factory tune. Some users in cold weather and cold intake/coolant/oil temperatures together may experience a momentary “cut” if logged actual boost pressure exceeds the ECU’s target. We have retained the overboost protection feature for safety. This will feel like a very short substantial reduction in power, usually followed by an upshift to the next gear. If this occurs we recommend trying a tune with midrange dampening.
No additional tuning can be changed at this time”
Just in case someone was wondering why it took as long as it did to release.
We’ve found boost control on this application to vary wildly from vehicle to vehicle, even on the factory tune. Some users in cold weather and cold intake/coolant/oil temperatures together may experience a momentary “cut” if logged actual boost pressure exceeds the ECU’s target. We have retained the overboost protection feature for safety. This will feel like a very short substantial reduction in power, usually followed by an upshift to the next gear. If this occurs we recommend trying a tune with midrange dampening.
No additional tuning can be changed at this time”
Just in case someone was wondering why it took as long as it did to release.
#22
I couldn't see that being the same thing since the JB4 reports to the ECU that it is making less boost than it actually is. The ECU would never see a value high enough to hit this cut in that scenario.
#24
The dyno used is on point for at the wheel readings and is usually very close to Dynojet. It does not read high like some other companies. Note that this was ran in 2WD so there may be less losses vs others who run in AWD. In the end the comparison of before and after is really what counts.
It's a Stage 1 tune at a low 18PSI, no bottleneck.
It's a Stage 1 tune at a low 18PSI, no bottleneck.
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Still loving it! I plan on doing the ATLP Catback Exhaust and Catless Downpipe along with the PRL Intake Kit but it keeps getting delayed. Most likely that is all the mods I will do as I want to keep it as livable as I can on the street. On a side note my mpg's have went up slightly which is an awesome by product of the tune!
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Still loving it! I plan on doing the ATLP Catback Exhaust and Catless Downpipe along with the PRL Intake Kit but it keeps getting delayed. Most likely that is all the mods I will do as I want to keep it as livable as I can on the street. On a side note my mpg's have went up slightly which is an awesome by product of the tune!
. I think the ATLP is using 439 stainless, others like FW are using 304. pros and cons to both but I think 304 is more expensive yet the ATLP exhaust is priced higher than others. Also the FW piping is larger. ATLP is using 2.25 OD piping. FW uses 2.5 OD for the secondaries. Plus its cheaper by like $400
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#36
I wonder how the HPS intake is compared to the PRL intake.
I’ve been out of the car game in years. Last time I was buying aftermarket parts was when I had my 2002 RSX Type S. Then life got busy with kids, wife n mortgage. But now I feel comfortable to get back in the game.
I feel like I would also just like to do the intake, ecu tune n perhaps a exhaust. No more. Don’t want to start spending all my money on cars like I used to.
I’ve been out of the car game in years. Last time I was buying aftermarket parts was when I had my 2002 RSX Type S. Then life got busy with kids, wife n mortgage. But now I feel comfortable to get back in the game.
I feel like I would also just like to do the intake, ecu tune n perhaps a exhaust. No more. Don’t want to start spending all my money on cars like I used to.
#37
. I think the ATLP is using 439 stainless, others like FW are using 304. pros and cons to both but I think 304 is more expensive yet the ATLP exhaust is priced higher than others. Also the FW piping is larger. ATLP is using 2.25 OD piping. FW uses 2.5 OD for the secondaries. Plus its cheaper by like $400
I wonder how the HPS intake is compared to the PRL intake.
I’ve been out of the car game in years. Last time I was buying aftermarket parts was when I had my 2002 RSX Type S. Then life got busy with kids, wife n mortgage. But now I feel comfortable to get back in the game.
I feel like I would also just like to do the intake, ecu tune n perhaps a exhaust. No more. Don’t want to start spending all my money on cars like I used to.
I’ve been out of the car game in years. Last time I was buying aftermarket parts was when I had my 2002 RSX Type S. Then life got busy with kids, wife n mortgage. But now I feel comfortable to get back in the game.
I feel like I would also just like to do the intake, ecu tune n perhaps a exhaust. No more. Don’t want to start spending all my money on cars like I used to.
#38
Really? I was under the impression that the stainless ATLP used was better, hmmm. But, I think I have to go that route regardless as I'm getting the exhaust without the active valves so I can get my trailer hitch to bolt to the stock location and then I can finally take my mountain bike back out. I've been waiting a long time for this. What is the pros of 439 stainless?
I wonder about the HPS intake as well, that came out after I made the previous order. However, with it being a forced induction vehicle I would be surprised if there is a big difference between the two.
I wonder about the HPS intake as well, that came out after I made the previous order. However, with it being a forced induction vehicle I would be surprised if there is a big difference between the two.
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#39
the hps intake removes the restrictive intake box while still being sealed off from the hotter areas of the engine bay. I did my own custom intake similar to the HPS but I had a tough time fabricating an insulated box for it. I did order the HPS one when they first launched their pre order. Shipping out towards the end of march.
also just picked up my FW single cell downpipe from getting ceramic coated. Tomorrow I'll wrap it and should reduce under hood temps a bit to help the intake further.
also just picked up my FW single cell downpipe from getting ceramic coated. Tomorrow I'll wrap it and should reduce under hood temps a bit to help the intake further.
#40
Thank you. I see 439 SS is not listed but I did some google searches and it seems as if 439 is used more often than 304 in exhaust systems. Maybe due to cost, but I'm fine with it as long as it lasts 8 years and doesn't visibly rust on any components that I can see while looking at the car.