Type S or 2022 G70?
03-11-2021, 07:32 PM
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03-15-2021, 02:21 AM
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The hyundai brand has come a long way, ill give them that! still though, when the Type-S hits the lots and you drive one. Youll see and feel the engineering behind the Type-S and realize its worth. Idk if you watched the dealer video from last year but hearing the engineers from Japan and them saying they had the R&D team from the original Intergra Type R, Civic Type R and NSX, you know theyre not playing around.
Plus if your a real gearhead your not keeping the car stock for long.
The Acura will have better aftermarket all day every day than the Genesis. And Dare I say in 2-4 years it will have 750+hp kits on the market. If you Dont believe me look up the P600 bolt on turbo kit for the Type-R, Accord and RDX. Im jiust hoping the transmission can handle
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Plus if your a real gearhead your not keeping the car stock for long.
The Acura will have better aftermarket all day every day than the Genesis. And Dare I say in 2-4 years it will have 750+hp kits on the market. If you Dont believe me look up the P600 bolt on turbo kit for the Type-R, Accord and RDX. Im jiust hoping the transmission can handle
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03-15-2021, 07:00 AM
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Ehhhh, not quite. They're making in the mid-400 wHP (at least I think it's at the wheels) with the Type-R on pump gas. They needed 110 Octane race fuel to reach into the 5xx wHP numbers. That's not something that's in the realm of "streetable". There are CTRs making in the mid to high 4xx wHP range on stock turbos, but I suspect they're incredibly generous dynos. That, or tuned within a thread of detonating. Most I see are in the high-300/low-400 wHP range with FBOs.
Also, they were getting gear slippage in the 42x wTQ range with the 10sp auto in the Accord. Acura says they're beefing up the transmission for the Type-S, but I it's a mystery as to how much, and being such a small fry production model, it's likely not being overbuilt (ie: spending money for something not needed, as the trans seems like it can already withstand the moderate power from the factory). I can't see the amount changes to the 10sp being prolific for the Type-S. Honda/Acura couldn't care less how much power the Type-S can make in the aftermarket.
Will it be possible to see 700+ HP Type-S's? Absolutely. Will they be exceedingly rare? Also yes.
Also, they were getting gear slippage in the 42x wTQ range with the 10sp auto in the Accord. Acura says they're beefing up the transmission for the Type-S, but I it's a mystery as to how much, and being such a small fry production model, it's likely not being overbuilt (ie: spending money for something not needed, as the trans seems like it can already withstand the moderate power from the factory). I can't see the amount changes to the 10sp being prolific for the Type-S. Honda/Acura couldn't care less how much power the Type-S can make in the aftermarket.
Will it be possible to see 700+ HP Type-S's? Absolutely. Will they be exceedingly rare? Also yes.
03-15-2021, 08:32 AM
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The hyundai brand has come a long way, ill give them that! still though, when the Type-S hits the lots and you drive one. Youll see and feel the engineering behind the Type-S and realize its worth. Idk if you watched the dealer video from last year but hearing the engineers from Japan and them saying they had the R&D team from the original Intergra Type R, Civic Type R and NSX, you know theyre not playing around.
03-15-2021, 11:11 AM
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Reality is cars designed for 355/400HP making 700HP break things. Half shafts, differentials, suspension mounting points, drive shafts, transmission clutch packs etc. Very few if none at 355HP base will go much over 430HP without at a minimum new turbos. Not unusual in a factory street car to keep the turbos as small as possible for street drivability & lag reduction. This reduces top end power in exchange for low RPM torque.
One of my early BMW tunes 320 base ran out of power at 410WHP because the twin (two units) factory turbos could not keep the boost up much over 6000rpm. FWIW with high traction tires needed to start the 7DCT in 2nd gear to maintain any kind of traction.
No intention to tune the Z4 which is traction limited pure stock, around 400HP, on Michelin PSS 275X35X19.
One of my early BMW tunes 320 base ran out of power at 410WHP because the twin (two units) factory turbos could not keep the boost up much over 6000rpm. FWIW with high traction tires needed to start the 7DCT in 2nd gear to maintain any kind of traction.
No intention to tune the Z4 which is traction limited pure stock, around 400HP, on Michelin PSS 275X35X19.
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03-15-2021, 07:18 PM
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The hyundai brand has come a long way, ill give them that! still though, when the Type-S hits the lots and you drive one. Youll see and feel the engineering behind the Type-S and realize its worth. Idk if you watched the dealer video from last year but hearing the engineers from Japan and them saying they had the R&D team from the original Intergra Type R, Civic Type R and NSX, you know theyre not playing around.
Plus if your a real gearhead your not keeping the car stock for long.
The Acura will have better aftermarket all day every day than the Genesis. And Dare I say in 2-4 years it will have 750+hp kits on the market. If you Dont believe me look up the P600 bolt on turbo kit for the Type-R, Accord and RDX. Im jiust hoping the transmission can handle
my .02's
Plus if your a real gearhead your not keeping the car stock for long.
The Acura will have better aftermarket all day every day than the Genesis. And Dare I say in 2-4 years it will have 750+hp kits on the market. If you Dont believe me look up the P600 bolt on turbo kit for the Type-R, Accord and RDX. Im jiust hoping the transmission can handle
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03-15-2021, 09:28 PM
#47
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1. The Hyundai brand has come a long way,
2. You'll see and feel the engineering behind the Type-S and realize its worth.
3. Idk if you watched the dealer video from last year but hearing the engineers from Japan and them saying they had the R&D team from the original Intergra Type R, Civic Type R and NSX, you know theyre not playing around.
4. And Dare I say in 2-4 years it will have 750+hp kits on the market.
2. I test-drove two different 2021 TLX-2.0T (Tech and Advance). They were OK. I can't imagine a new engine is gonna make that big a difference (but it would be cool).
3. Link please
4. Sound kinda high for a 355hp car, don't ya think ?
As far as transmission holding-up ... it seemed to be having a hard time launching. SH-AWD was good though.
03-15-2021, 11:35 PM
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1. Should be fine as long as you park them outside (sorry, could not resist) ... this is the G70 thread, right?
2. I test-drove two different 2021 TLX-2.0T (Tech and Advance). They were OK. I can't imagine a new engine is gonna make that big a difference (but it would be cool).
3. Link please
4. Sound kinda high for a 355hp car, don't ya think ?
As far as transmission holding-up ... it seemed to be having a hard time launching. SH-AWD was good though.
2. I test-drove two different 2021 TLX-2.0T (Tech and Advance). They were OK. I can't imagine a new engine is gonna make that big a difference (but it would be cool).
3. Link please
4. Sound kinda high for a 355hp car, don't ya think ?
As far as transmission holding-up ... it seemed to be having a hard time launching. SH-AWD was good though.
03-16-2021, 12:50 AM
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3. Time stamp- 12:20 https://youtu.be/52HgsMW0BbM
Actually, I think the video is very well done and I was impressed with the team members who spoke (posted that months ago as well).
However, when they talk about who worked on the new V6 engine, my take-away was NOT that they were the "R&D team from the original Integra Type R, Civic Type R", etc.
Sounded more like to me CURRENT Gen NXS, 2021+ Type-S, Acura engines (ie EarthDreams V6) .
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03-19-2021, 05:28 PM
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Thank you WTF.Acura for posting the vid and time reference!
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
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03-20-2021, 07:16 AM
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Thank you WTF.Acura for posting the vid and time reference!
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
03-20-2021, 07:22 AM
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Thank you WTF.Acura for posting the vid and time reference!
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
For as much time and money you'd have to put into it, you'd be better off getting a Charger Hellcat ... and for once, the Chrysler product would actually be more reliable. I'm all for modding cars, but the more power you go above factory, the more the ownership experience becomes a PITA.
If they can get the Type-S to ~450wHP reliably, I'd chalk it up to a win. Q50 with FBO + tune does (or gets very close to) that, so it should be within the realm of possibility for the Type-S. The big question mark is the transmission. PRL was having issues at ~420wTQ on their 2.0T Accord at lower speeds with the 10sp AT. Hopefully Acura did in fact beef up the transmission on the Type-S to cope with some more power.
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03-21-2021, 02:41 PM
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03-21-2021, 02:57 PM
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DWB isn’t some sort of magic bullet. The S60 also has a DWB front suspension yet it arguably is the least sporty offering in the entire segment. Or how about the CTR, which has macpherson struts (albeit dual axis) and will run circles around the TLX with DWB.
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03-21-2021, 05:20 PM
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03-21-2021, 06:20 PM
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Back to the future - Introducing the all new 1931 Packard with DWB front suspension.
03-23-2021, 08:47 AM
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Low $50s, so a $5k difference is probably more realistic. Even so, I'd much rather have the Type S.
03-23-2021, 11:10 AM
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03-23-2021, 11:25 AM
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The TLX is 10" longer than the '21 G70. I can't imagine the next gen '22 G70 changing much from the current model dimension-wise.
03-23-2021, 12:20 PM
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I sat in the TLX too and didn't get the same impression of tight that I did from the G70. Numbers don't show much of a difference but the TLX felt more mid-sized to me.
03-23-2021, 12:43 PM
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For driver and front passenger, it's pretty room up front (due to the midsize-like width). It's the rear passenger space that puts it clearly in the compact segment.
03-24-2021, 12:40 PM
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Thank you WTF.Acura for posting the vid and time reference!
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
But yes it sounds far-fetched but cmon guys, its a DOHC Acura engine. Look at the K series. That motor is among the best flowing motors out there. They have made 500whp naturally aspirated. 900whp+ in some cases.
And yes the 500whp Type Rs have E85 or race gas but why would it stop the 3.0 Dohc from having 750hp with same fueling? you non-believers will see. mark my words in this thread. Like I said I just hope the Transmission can hold.
As far as the engine, I'm hoping this new one will have as much success as the B58 in the 340i/Supra. Those engines are very strong and capable and hope the Acura engine wont let us down.
03-24-2021, 04:14 PM
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Just like in any other car thread, it will boil down to what am I going to get for my $55-60k?
OP's got deposits on both cars so let the comparisons begin once they're both out and pricing is final. I do think the MSRP on both the Type S and LE G70 will probably be closer than you think.
OP's got deposits on both cars so let the comparisons begin once they're both out and pricing is final. I do think the MSRP on both the Type S and LE G70 will probably be closer than you think.
03-24-2021, 04:21 PM
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I was just about to make this comment but you beat me to it. There's not a chance in hell that Honda 10spd AT can handle that kind of power. I'd be suspect of it handling anything over 400-450 tbh. I wish Honda did more with their 8DCT they made for the 2.4L engines.
03-24-2021, 08:22 PM
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03-25-2021, 08:21 AM
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if we can get for $62K a Type S in Canada. I am confident many will opt in for Type S over G70. The issue with M340 is the add ons. Even if it starts at mid $60K, the price can easily jump by $10K.
Just for fun, I built a Macan S the other day in Canada and the base price is $65K and by the time I added a few important features and replaced the ugly rims. The cost was showing $88K. This is a huge problem with German cars but also a huge advantage. If money isn't an issue for you, then you can really build a car to your taste
Spending $88K for Macan S is a lot of money in my opinion.
Just for fun, I built a Macan S the other day in Canada and the base price is $65K and by the time I added a few important features and replaced the ugly rims. The cost was showing $88K. This is a huge problem with German cars but also a huge advantage. If money isn't an issue for you, then you can really build a car to your taste
Spending $88K for Macan S is a lot of money in my opinion.
03-25-2021, 10:41 AM
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well the stock 10 spd in the accord can handle those numbers. Final P600 Dyno Testing (Accord & Type-R) - PRL Army Blog How much more the “beefed” up 10 spd in the Type-S can handle is anyone’s guess. Hopefully they will over engineer it.
One is SH-AWD ------------------------------------------> Distributes power to all 4 wheels with the help of transfer case, differential(s), drive shaft and axles.
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03-25-2021, 11:04 AM
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well the stock 10 spd in the accord can handle those numbers. Final P600 Dyno Testing (Accord & Type-R) - PRL Army Blog How much more the “beefed” up 10 spd in the Type-S can handle is anyone’s guess. Hopefully they will over engineer it.
Professor John Kelly of Weber University will reverse engineering a Honda 10AT on YouTube in the future. Back in January he indicated they had a 10AT on the bench and it was a future video for them.
Honda's first planetary gearbox design, which is kinda amusing since they took the countershaft approach about as far as they could go. The 10AT is fairly small considering the four sequential planetary gearsets.
Curious how well it'll perform for the TLX Type-S and how much tighter the S/W will tune the engine torque and PID/PWM of the various solenoid valves for the clutches and locking torque converter for sportier operation.
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03-25-2021, 11:11 AM
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03-25-2021, 11:13 AM
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It's the same CTR situation but for Acura and a higher price tag ...
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03-25-2021, 11:26 AM
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I really don't understand Acura for this car. Just take the deposit and make people wait. Refusing the money upfront can almost guarantee a lost sale. Why is the Type-S so special, all cars have problems with supplies now. It's also difficult for me to find an S5 SB with my specs, but Audi is not blocking reserves. I know the S5 SB will be over 70k, prepared for that here in Canada. But if the Type-S reaches 65k and over, it's not a good deal.
It's the same CTR situation but for Acura and a higher price tag ...
It's the same CTR situation but for Acura and a higher price tag ...
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03-25-2021, 11:32 AM
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03-25-2021, 11:59 AM
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if we can get for $62K a Type S in Canada. I am confident many will opt in for Type S over G70. The issue with M340 is the add ons. Even if it starts at mid $60K, the price can easily jump by $10K.
Just for fun, I built a Macan S the other day in Canada and the base price is $65K and by the time I added a few important features and replaced the ugly rims. The cost was showing $88K. This is a huge problem with German cars but also a huge advantage. If money isn't an issue for you, then you can really build a car to your taste
Spending $88K for Macan S is a lot of money in my opinion.
Just for fun, I built a Macan S the other day in Canada and the base price is $65K and by the time I added a few important features and replaced the ugly rims. The cost was showing $88K. This is a huge problem with German cars but also a huge advantage. If money isn't an issue for you, then you can really build a car to your taste
Spending $88K for Macan S is a lot of money in my opinion.
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