Do you guys think the 10 speed will be sufficient enough for the Type S? I also have the 20 RDX and I know the 10 speed can be slow up and downshifting. My main gripe about the Type S will be the transmission, I’ve had Acura’s for over 20 years and I’m kind of done with slow transmissions, slow up and downshifts and some days these cars not wanting to wake up lol. I was hoping they would of taken the trans from the sport hybrid rlx and drop it into this car for dct fast shifts. My lease is expiring in December and it’s a hard debate to extend and wait for this car or get the M340i that has a lightning fast trans and don’t forget 380 hp………and a digital dash :/

 

It's hard to make that decision without information, and we won't get more official information until closer to release. From the Accord side, there are folks making significant power with the 10AT, and I haven't seen stories of them breaking. I'd take that as a positive. I'm going to assume that the Honda engineers know what they are doing and will beef up the tranny for Type S duty.

 

Yup. it's the waiting game now and hopefully the redesigned 10 speed has some fast shift points. I'm pretty much torn to wait for the new Type S and extend my lease or head over the the German side.

 

Not really "significant power" but my buddy with a 2.0T Accord has been tuned since the car had <1000 miles on it and is up to something like 30k miles now with no issues.

Whether the 10AT in the Type S can handle 500/500....uhhhhhh...guess we're going to find out! (I wish we could just talk to the design engineers...they probably know exactly how much it can take from simulations)

 

My understanding is that the RDX is holding back on torque not because of the 10AT, but because of the SH-AWD. I'd be more curious about how durable the diffs are than the transmission, which seems to be OK.

 

also it sounds like the TLX will have more rear bias than usual.

 

So I'm guessing that means there's no possibility of a manual then 😢😢

 

Judging by the new layout with the wrist pad location of the touchpad and the transmissions buttons on the dash, it definitely looks like there won't be a manual.

 

Agreed and there is not going to be a manual and I don't know why some people still think that there would be at this point.

 

I thought there might be a slim chance given the 2.0T Accord has a manual. I was also hopeful that it might be possible in year 3 or 4 like they did with the CL and TL, but after seeing that new dash/console layout they'd have to have a stick shift like a 2005 Civic Si which would be ridiculous. Oh well. . . Been looking at AutoTrader for a 2008 Kinetic Blue TL Type S 6spd lately to hold me over. . .

 

Manual 3G TL Type S FTW. Good luck finding one for a reasonable price, though. I've looked in the recent past and...wow...compared to the automatics, there's quite a premium nowadays.

No chance for a manual in the new Type S, there aren't enough manual fans like us to buy them in volume anymore. I'd have preferred a DCT in the TLX Type S as that's the closest we'll ever get to a manual transmission, but the current Honda 10AT appears pretty robuse. In the meantime, enjoying my stopgap manual Accord 2.0T daily driver while awaiting the new Type S. PS Honda sold only a touch over 700 (estimated) manual 2.0 Accords last year, and there are currently only four 2.0 manual Accords on cars.com as of yesterday.

 

Honestly they should have gone with one of the 3 DCTs that they have (the 7 speed from hybrid or 8 spd from TLX 4 cylinder of the 9 speed from NSX) to make it a proper Performance sedan

 

Exactly! They should of used the 7speed DCT it supported 377 HP. I have the 20 rdx as well with the 10speed and its wayyyyyy better than the 9speed of course but its not a performance trans, the shifts are ok and it’s a bit slow upshifting but overall a nice transmission for the every day driver. We need a trans that is fast and shifts are super quick like the ZF8, if they are going to beef up the 10speed to support the extra power, be sure there will definitely be some failures when we start reflashing the cars.



Being with Acura for 21 years and multiple different cars…..this will be my breaking point to leave the brand I had enough of the slow transmissions.

 

So, I am not only one who will take close attention to transmission in new TLX.

 

Acura says that the 10-speed has been specially modified for the TLX to allow for "four gear direct downshifts." This is found in the video at about 10 minutes and 45 seconds.

 

The "four gear direct downshifts" thing is not new for Acura or the TLX. Honda began touting that since the 10AT came out, with the Odyssey and Accord and like few have already said, sometimes it is slow to react, and the direct downshifts aren't exactly lightening quick. About 1.5 seconds between putting your foot to the floor, to it getting into the lowest gear and accelerating.

I do hope Acura has sharpened the tuning. Watching Accord 2.0T videos shows it being not much sharper than my 2004 TSX's 5AT, which I may even say seems to react quicker.

Don't forget, Acura threw a upgraded 2.0T + standard 10AT and SH-AWD from the RDX into their SLX which claimed to be about 350HP. They did not mention any driveline upgrades.


For anyone wanting to dig into the 10AT and get a feel for its durability, watch here,

 

Sometimes my 20 RDX doesn’t know what to do and takes a while to down and upshift. For a normal driver this is fine the wife never complaints. For people like us we need that quickness and when we step on the gas we know what we want the car to do and it should do it. I had that TSX as well and I loved it, to me that tranny was faster than what we have now lol



The tranny and the missing options from the Type S has me wanting to leave Acura which I may very well do in December. I’m leaning towards that little M240i rocket or the M340i. Since I have the RDX it may be the 240i, compare the options with the type s and it will pretty much be the same and maybe cheaper andddddddd that 8ZF is something to die for, the up and downshifts omg. I love Acura, I have 3 of them now but I said my breaking point will be the Type S which everyone has waited for 3.0T. It’s funny I was hoping they weren’t going to use the 10 speed, I cursed really loud during the press release and I was driving back from Maryland, It upset my whole ride. Beefing it up means they may use some stronger clutch packs of different material but I’m not to fond of what the outcome will be.

 

On our 2019 RDX, when you come up to an intersection, decelerating before making a right turn, it takes forever for the power to come back on when you exit the turn. It’s a little bit better in Sport+ mode but still no where near as responsive as in pretty much any other car I’ve had.

They should really program the transmission to downshift automatically for you when you’re decelerating like most performance cars with automatic gearboxes do (PDK, S-tronic, etc.).

 

I'm hoping it's not as you describe on the Type S. The ZF9 is the only reason i'm not keeping my ASpec when the lease is up. It drives me nuts with the delay sometimes. You can work around it but you shouldn't have to. If the 10 speed is remotely similar I'm done. Will definitely look at an S4 or try to find some manual car.

 

Agreed. Given that the new 10-speed isn’t a dual clutch transmission, it’s still going to be some ways off from the best DCTs out there. But programming can alleviate some of those shortcomings. The R-tronic single clutch gearbox I had on one of the R8s, while universally panned by journalists, was actually the closest non-manual transmission that felt like a manual when you drive it in manual mode. I sort of miss that, but would never drive it in automatic mode unless I was feeling particularly masochistic on that day.

 

*Flashbacks to the TLX's ZF9* *hyperventilates, sweating, going pale* .....and that's why I have a manual Accord right now. With that said, the 10AT in Accord form is pretty good, I just preferred and chose the manual variant that was offered *shrugs*.

 

Ha, you made the right choice for sure. Crossing fingers all of these concerns are addressed in the "beefed" up version on the Type S

 

This trans choice will be important for this car. No manual means I personally won't buy one, but I'm in the minority lol.

 

I don't think the verb "think" is what is going on here, however, if you replace it with the verb "hope", then yes, that is where I and others stand. The fact is, many of us are not willing to give up stirring our own gears, not now, not ever, and there will be a market for nice up-market sedans with three pedals under the dash for quite some time. That said, I acknowledge said market will be a small niche market.

 

Except the market has shown that even MT enthusiasts can and will give up three pedals even when both MT and AT are available for the same car. Either because you're worried about driving daily in traffic, resale value, having a wife who needs to drive the car, etc.

MT is going away because the market doesn't want it, not because manufacturers aren't delivering it. It's not really a chicken-egg situation.

 

I'm 33, and I don't know how to drive manual? Why? Because the last manual car in my family was sold when I was 6. I can't drive manual, my wife can't drive manual, so it seems unlikely any child of ours will either. Add that type of scenario and the fact EVs are gaining market share and I think it's on a limited lifespan now.

 

LOL, yes, you are from the generation of drivers where cars are an appliance, and nothing more. The good news is my 26 year old son has now been through something like a dozen cars, and only the first, a minivan to schlep all of his friends up to the local ski hills, every car has had three pedals under the dash. In fact, our 23 year old daughter, who had a stroke when she was born and is partially paralyzed on the left side of her body (both arm and leg are impacted) has also learned how to drive a stick.

 

i'm 33 and I've never had an automatic car.
I've always owned Standards, or 3-pedals!

 

Sorry, my bad.

I was just @mcrompton

 

My parents stopped driving MT before I was even born. I had to pay a driving school (after calling several) to find one with an MT vehicle that I could learn on just so I could test drive a Civic Si. And then I realized that nearly all of the driving I do is in stop-and-go traffic where an MT would suck and I really just want adaptive cruise control and lane keeping so I can commute while reading my phone. I can see it being enjoyable on a track but I've never been on one because it's so much of a hassle.

 

 

Learned how to drive stick on a Triumph TR3A. Bought the car then had to drive it home M4 with a non-syncro 1st. Very quick learning process.


Looked exactly like this one down to the color. Eventually had roll bar etc & became my first track car.

 

If you live in a major city, manual is just not practical. Sitting two hours in traffic daily just doesn't make sense. I hope this 10 speed is lightning quick though. Also, if I downshift manually once from 10th gear it better take me down to atleast 6th or so. Shifting down gear by gear would be idiotic.

 

Speak for yourself, over the years I've owned dozens of cars with manual transmissions and have lived and/or worked in a HUGE array of urban areas, including, but not limited to, San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco bay area, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, New York, Boston, London, and Stuttgart. The only time when driving a stick in traffic became a chore was when I was living in Los Angeles and I had a 3,500 pound Borg & Beck clutch in my 1970 Challenger (which had a push-rod clutch linkage with no assist).

What I am trying to get across is, while many folks simply use their cars as appliances to get to and from work, some of us use them as an outlet for enjoyment, and there ain't nuthin' enjoyable about being a passenger in your own car.

 

manual transmissions will be gone in a couple of years. It’s just to costly to have to manufacture them when the sales have dropped significantly over the years. It’s really just something people have to adapt to.

 

LOL, there will be enough cars with three pedals under the dash to last the rest of my life; I figure if I buy a CPO 2018 340i 6MT, wait a year or two and then buy a Miata 6MT, and finally a Tacoma 6MT after that, I will have enough manual vehicles to last until I'm into my 90s and my son says, "Uhhh, Dad, time to turn your license in."

 

They said it can make a 4 gear jump on a downshift, not unusual with 8 & up transmissions. Key is where OD starts & what gear you are in when you want to pass. Typical 8 speeds 7th & 8th are OD & 6th is 1:1. So you don't get any gearing help till you hit 5th.
Be interesting to see what gear ratios they use in the new TLX

 

I still have a manual CL and got a manual TSX for my son when he started driving last year. Trying to keep the manual use going at least in our house. It's a given that they're going away completely at some point, but it gives me hope that Honda still has them in the Si, Type R, Accord 2.0T. Saw that they announced the new Audi A3 will have manuals across the board (wondering if that means the US too). BMW hasn't given up on them in the M line. I still think it is a chicken before egg situation. Dealers don't stock because they think they don't sell and people don't buy because they're not in stock. Oh well, happy to still be in the minority on this. CL still puts a smile on my face when i take it out on the weekend.

 

Agree on domestics excluding the Corvette that had about a 20% take rate for the MT on the last year of the C7 generation. Disagree on the German imports as they have a very good custom order pipeline. A large percentage of the performance versions are ordered. You can track your order on the net from the day you sign the papers. Agree most all the bread & butter models are purchased off the lot, but I would bet most of those buyers would be getting AT as a matter of personal choice.

BTW the only MT's in the current BMW "M" line are the M2, M3 & M4 with the 7DCT as an extra cost option. There are none in the non "M" cars.

Outside of the next generation Pig Snout M4, M2 & M3 all the new M cars are 8ZF's. The 8ZF right now is the pick of the litter with the new M5 running 0-62mph 2.9 seconds & 1/4 mile in 10.7 @ 130mph. What is pretty amazing is at 4400lbs it does a 1.66 second 60ft time. 1.6 is really very quick with most street cars in the 1.8 to 2.2 time

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the 4-Series coupes are still available with a 6MT; the only non-M cars so available.