leomio2.0

Any rumors on a reveal date and changes for the 2G TLX MMC?

caLiTLX

I recall seeing some pictures of a TLX with updated bumpers but haven’t seen confirmed details if any other changes. Keep your eyes peeled!

Tony Pac

No real update, except those few pictures.

I believe it will be revealed after the Integra Type S.

Acura’s marketing team has been doing a great job by creating buzz since 2019. Every 6 months, they come up with something new. So I believe it will be:

Integra Type S
TLX MMC
ZDX

WTF.Acura

Acura has their plate full with new releases. Plus we should be seeing a new RDX next year. I am surprised we haven’t seen any spy shots of it yet, especially like how it’s a redesign. You usually see spy shots of Acura mules a year and a half out from model release.

I wish Acura would add a 48v mild hybrid system to the TLX. My sister has a 22 C-class and the hybrid assist is great in stop and go traffic, plus it integrates so well with auto stop. (Wishfully Thinking)

Hopefully they add the MDX’s digital display, now that the Accord comes with a fully digital display.

Acura really needs to dress up the top of the door panel with a smoother stitched p/leather material similar to what is in German and Infiniti products.
The feel of the TLX’s upper door panel is cheaper compared to my previous 04 TSX. The TSX upper areas was a lot less grainy and took up less space on the door panel, which allowed for the padded pleather area to be more prominent on the door.

bilirubin

It was first spied about a year ago. Fast forward to the 13:02 mark in this video...

And there was also this photo too...

ijm5012

Hybrid tech is where Acura is lacking compared to the competition (Lexus, BMW, MB, etc.).

It would go a LONG way towards helping to dismal fuel mileage current Acuras get with the 2.0T, 3.0T, and 3.5 engines.

In my 21 TLX A-Spec, I get ~20mpg in mixed driving conditions around SW PA. Fuel mileage and backseat space are my two biggest gripes with the TLX.

ESHBG

If there is a TLX MMC the changes will be minimal, as they aren't going to dump a lot of money into a dead car.

Real world MPGs are pretty bad across the lineup (minus the Integra now) and this was a huge miss.

djhtsx

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MMC are minimal no matter if the car is dead or not, especially with acuras history.

ESHBG

True. But you could at least have the chance of some nice electronics/technology upgrades but I don't even see that happening.

leomio2.0

Yea, I know the biggest things for the RDX MMC was redesigned bumpers, better road noise insulation and re-tuning of the adjustable dampers.

Seeing as the RDX didn't get a digital dash in its MMC, I'd be reluctant to see it in the TLX MMC. I don't mind either way, since I actually quite like the analog Acura gauges. I just wish the word 'Minimal' disappeared in the CID ... which I hear they did change already.

A mild hybrid system would certainly be nice, but the last thing the TLX needs is more weight. How much do these systems traditionally weigh?

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

I don't want a digital display on my TLX Type-S. I don't like it and I think it takes away from the character of what the Type-S is for Acura and enthusiasts.

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

There's always a Camry FTW.

bilirubin

Agreed, the center digital display has all the function I need, and it's almost always set to show my speed. The Type S's red-on-silver analog gauges simply look better than digital, like a nice mechanical watch vs an Apple watch..

ESHBG

Yeah it could have better long-term resale value than a TLX so not a bad purchase really.

ijm5012

It very well could, since luxury cars are known to depreciate faster then normal car brands.

It’s also boring to drive (unless you like spinning your front tires under acceleration, and under steering around highway on-ramps), and has a worse audio system.

Some people are perfectly ok with boring-to-drive cars though.

frainc

WOW, guess you don't like the TLX, so what do you drive?

fiatlux

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Camry, not the TLX.

frainc

my bad

WTF.Acura

• The TLX performance sedan will receive enhancements in 2023 that will further its appeal in the competitive midsize luxury sedan segment.

A snippet from Honda/Acura press release on product cadence in 2023 (No mention of a redesign RDX). I wonder if they are going to debut the refreshed TLX before the Integra or have the two debut at the same event. Sorta like a Toyota-con type of event, since auto show debuts are a thing of the past.

ijm5012

2023 TLX’s are already on dealer lots, they’re not any different from the 21’s & 22’s.

They’re talking about things like 2 years of complimentary maintenance and 3 years of AcuraLink, which is new for the 2023 MY.

2024 MY’s should start showing up in late 2023, and Inwouod expect those to be the MMC.

WTF.Acura

I think you are interpreting the statement incorrectly. In the press release it states, "The TLX performance sedan will receive enhancements in 2023...", which means we would see an updated/refreshed TLX in 2023 for the MY24. If Acura was talking about the MY23 the statement would read in past tense since MY23 for the TLX was released last November. For example, if they were talking about MY23 the statement would have read " The TLX performance sedan received enhancements for 2023...(which it didn't)" and It would not make sense for Acura to talk about a MY introduced last year in a press release that is dedicated to 2023 outlook. Plus, if they were talking about MY23 it would have read like the section about the Ridgeline. "The Honda light truck lineup will remain competitive in 2023 with additional changes to the Passport and 2024 Ridgeline..." The year would have came before the model.

ijm5012

Read the last line of my response you quoted.

I said that the 24MY TLX should be available in late 2023.

WTF.Acura

Now you are trying to deflect.

The whole reason behind your response was to point out that “2023… enchantments” mentioned in the press release was in regards to the 2023 TLX and that isn’t true.

Enjoy the rest of your day 🖤.

ijm5012

Hey, feel free to believe what you want.

Whatever makes you feel better.

leomio2.0

MY24 should be when the TLX gets a refresh. That, plus the fact that there are already camo shots floating around, is a good indicator that it's upcoming. That being said, there's no guarantee that the MMC will apply to the Type-S ... at least for the exterior styling. I'm sure other things like improved sound deadening or features will be added to the Type-S for the MMC. I also wouldn't be surprised if they killed off the Advance model. I get that there's still a chip shortage, but literally none of the six dealers near me are stocking Advance TLXs. Nearly 150 TLXs but not a single Advance trim. This also dashes any expectation from me that they'll include an A-Spec Advance trim like they did for the RDX MMC. Heck, even the PMC didn't get Advance features.

As a completely off-topic car related topic, saw a clean white Maxima rolling down the highway. Damn those cars are handsome. You don't see too many new ones, and the ones you see are usually run down examples nowadays. How that brand has fallen. I decided to look them up and almost fell out of my chair at the price ... $45k for an SR with a 300HP V6 with a goddamn CVT. I mean, its interior is nice (honestly like it better than Acura), but they must be on crack asking for that for what a Maxima is.

Edward'TLS

^^^^^

I thought the Nissan Maxima is dead. There is absolutely zero marketing and news buzz for the Maxima for quite some years.

bilirubin

Correct, the Nissan Maxima was officially discontinued last year.

leomio2.0

This is the last MY (2023) for the Nissan Maxima.

Ironically enough, much like the TLX to the Accord, although the Maxima has much larger exterior dimensions, interior room is compromised in the Maxima compared to the Altima. Altima has more cargo capacity and more rear seat leg room/overall passenger volume. I guess it's a Japanese thing to make their smaller cars bigger on the inside.

ESHBG

It's a strange trend and some aspects of the car industry have gone a little backwards over the years.

I am a Nissan fan but I don't know what they are doing with some of their pricing and they are starting to lose their bang for the buck/value appeal.

leomio2.0

I've always had a soft spot for Nissan too, though, never owned one myself. Always liked the Maxima. If any car does the "All Show, No Go" better than the TLX-S, it's the Maxima. Looks better, even slower.

Heck, looking at Raitit's Rides review, someone commented it's not uncommon to get them for mid-$30k. At that price, might be hard to pass up. We'll see if those deals can still be had near year's end when inventory shouldn't be an issue with any automaker.

When the spike in gas prices occurred, I found an appreciation for driving slower/more relaxed. Of course, that CVT would be the biggest annoyance. The TLX-S would handle better too, but being 500lbs lighter does have its advantages. Also, far superior as a cruiser with 66dB at 70MPH vs the typically horrendous Honda road isolation with 71dB at the same speed for the TLX-S (per C&D).

There's no shot in shit the Maxima is worth even remotely close to $45k, and the TLX-S is easily worth the $10k more to purchase. At ~$35k, it's harder to pass up. But that CVT tho ...

bilirubin

The CVT was the deal-breaker for Nissan's "four door sports car". I wish they would've continued to evolve it with AWD and the 400hp twin-turbo from the Q50 Redsport/Nissan Z, or even the detuned version from the base Q50.
Regardless, the Maxima will still be my first choice the next time I rent a car.

leomio2.0

Fully agree. Rumor has it the Maxima name won't die, just the ICE platform. It will likely re-emerge as an EV.

The Q50 is a lovely car. Its exterior is still handsome. The interior needs a major refresh though. Even the Maxima interior is nicer IMO. With poor sales and the Q60 getting the axe, we all know the Q50 is next on the chopping block.

Tony Pac

I believe Q50 (ICE) will be replaced by EV in 2025-2026.

Tony Pac

Back to the topic of TLX: I think the MMC will be some outside changes and most likely digital gauges and a few extra tech items like 360 camera & HUD. For the PMC, Acura did not push Advance/Elite features. I believe they left that for the MMC.

leomio2.0

With the Maxima likely going this way as well, it would be natural for the Q50 to follow suit.

I think it would be foolish for Acura to do this. Then again, it's Acura. But, even for the RDX, the '21 PMC package combined the A-Spec and Advance features, which would soon be available in the '22 MY MMC RDX. I think it would piss a lot of PMC buyers off if suddenly they were to add those Advance features to the MMC TLX a year after offering the PMC version. The absence of the Advance features in the PMC were big indicators to me that they wouldn't be made available in the MMC for the TLX. I suppose time will tell.

On a side note, while confirming the '21 RDX PMC did get the Advance features, MT's review noted a bad dash rattle in their PMC. Man, even hand building these cars can't keep them from becoming rattle buckets.

Tony Pac

Agreed! People that paid big $$$$ for the PMC will be upset but we know Acura. Tbh, sometimes, there is no logic. We had TLX first gen Advanced A-SPEC and in the U.S you guys did not have it. Not sure, as you said time will tell us but then what's the point of TLX MMC? They have to update with some goodies.

Edward'TLS

The Honda Accord model release is always 2 years ahead of the TL/TLX. Are there any new gadgets from the Accord that can be "passed down" onto the TLX MMC ?

sombasol

we are going to see things from the mdx passed down more likely then the accord. I would be shocked if the larger mdx screen and possibly digital gauges arent used on the TLX MMC. Look at the space they left in the infotainment area, theyve known the screen was going to be updated in the mmc since the original release…

oldsnwbrdr

I’m actually pleased with the mileage on my 21 TLX FWD Advance, all I ask is for 30mpg on the freeway and I usually get that at 78 to 79mph. That said my biggest wishes for the car are a mild hybrid power train and improved sound insulation. I’ve also had five Acuras and this is my favorite.

it’s probably moot anyway as I recently started working for Toyota corporate and will lease a Crown or ES for my next car. Yeah, I know, boring.

leomio2.0

It's possible. I think it comes down to how expensive it's going to be to create a new mold, manufacturing & engineering it into the car. From the looks of the pic, it would be easier to do it in the TLX compared to the RDX, but for a product that Acura only hopes to move ~30k units a year in (pre-pandemic), they might not deem it worthwhile.

Ditto on better sound insulation. If I do decide to go with the Maxima, I may choose the ITS as my "fun" car down the road. The biggest knock against it right now is the NVH. To me, in a premium product, it's unacceptable. Hopefully Acura doesn't screw the pooch and put an overly stiff suspension in it. With adaptive dampers, there's no reason the ITS shouldn't be a comfortable car to drive even on rough pavement. Leave that "boy racer" hard suspension to the CTR. It would be redundant to make both of these overly stiff.

And boring = comfortable. Those Crowns are .... unique. From some angles, I love how they look. Others, not so much. That being said, they seem like very comfortable cars to get you where you need to go.