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Also, I saw my first in person out in the wild TypeS today at a car meet. It looked good, I wanted to spend more time with it but I just saw it drive through and then lost it in the crowd.
I find Savagegeese's review the most neutral (and informative) so far, and I generally consider him highly credible, but YMMV. It's a car that's responsive, handles well, and is plenty fast enough for most drivers, but as he says and gets out of the way quickly (which we can't seem to do here), it's not a track car and it doesn't have a top-end geared to pure enthusiast driving (despite the Laguna Seca fluff video). It doesn't kill the car for him, which he praises overall, but it's a valid point. It'd be nice if we could also have some balance here and engage in specific pro and con discussion instead of spec-sheet wars and personal attacks, but I guess the internet is the internet. I think it's fair to say that anyone who wants to drive the car like TH has good reason not to get a Type S and should view the Type S as a compromised car, and if they expected something else, the disappointment is fair. But maybe some people would make those compromises and want to find out more.
As someone who's interested in this car and drove it (admittedly briefly and never above 8/10), I'm cross-shopping it against an IS 350 F with DHP (Type S is clear winner in this match-up, I think, and the IS is more expensive when optioned), the Audi S5 SB (anyone have a view on throttle lag/rattles on current models?) and the BMW M340ix. Type S without ADM is about $10k cheaper than the Germans when optioned as I'd like, and it's not a great market to count on dealership incentives to narrow this gap for the foreseeable future (I've had dealerships straight up refuse to match the low $1500 dealership contribution advertised nationally by BMW NA on a $63k M340ix). I have an eye on the IS 500 as well if Lexus gifts us on the pricing, which it won't, though I prefer AWD for an all-year car in any case. I want to buy this one with goal of keeping instead of leasing, and my perception (+ experience with Audi) leads me to believe that the Germans are not the best to keep beyond warranty, due primarily to degrading plastics. Of course there are open questions on reliability for the Type S, since this is a new engine, but I view Honda's reliability issues as generally isolated, and it's not clear to me that they impact the Type S (thanks all for that VCM discussion). I tell you this to give some idea of who is interested in the Type S and hasn't written it off. I'd prefer to get info and perspectives on the car, but understood if I get flamed as a consumer or grocery soccer dad here instead.
LOL they just destroyed Redline reviews with that S4 drag. This is the most honest review yet that isn’t one of the Many you tubers kissing Acura’s ass.
LOL they just destroyed Redline reviews with that S4 drag. This is the most honest review yet that isn’t one of the Many you tubers kissing Acura’s ass.
It was a drag race with no click bait in title, out of nowhere, no build up to it, quick and done, no talk necessary. They did it this way to shit on that staged race on redline where you can see S4 driver lift off as the front nose dived. I unsubscribed from redline after this.
This is in fact one of the most honest reviews they've done. It's true, that most of the buyers of this car will not track it, but wow did they over-market the precision crafted performance. Looking forward to hearing the rebuttals of owners of this car, and why they chose this over its competitors.
This is in fact one of the most honest reviews they've done. It's true, that most of the buyers of this car will not track it, but wow did they over-market the precision crafted performance. Looking forward to hearing the rebuttals of owners of this car, and why they chose this over its competitors.
Haven't seen you around in a long ass time Brian! How's it going brotha! Love your X5!!!!! I own two G01 X3's, one of which is a M40i.
This is in fact one of the most honest reviews they've done. It's true, that most of the buyers of this car will not track it, but wow did they over-market the precision crafted performance. Looking forward to hearing the rebuttals of owners of this car, and why they chose this over its competitors.
My guess is the looks, the price (assuming they didn’t pay ADM), and the driving dynamics at 7/10ths.
What a disappointing car, this thing needs an immediate price cut. Forget ADM these things are going to be sitting on lots even with discounts now that the truth is out there.
My guess is the looks, the price (assuming they didn’t pay ADM), and the driving dynamics at 7/10ths.
Is it even possible to drive a vehicle at 8/10 on the street? I guess I’m one of those 7/10 drivers. I’d never have the desire to push the car harder than that and I can’t imagine tracking the car. I’m sure it’s fun, but being able to swing out the rear end is not anything I’ve ever wanted to do when driving.
It was a car review, but they highlight a couple interesting things. Balls to the wall....I won't drive it like that. I'm not tracking it and as a family sedan driving through city traffic or when I need a little SH-AWD to handle in weather as a daily it delivers. Makes me feel like I bought exactly what I knew I was buying.
What a disappointing car, this thing needs an immediate price cut. Forget ADM these things are going to be sitting on lots even with discounts now that the truth is out there.
What is the truth that is out there? The car will eventually be discounted and at let’s say $50K, which represents a 5% discount, it’s a lot of car for the money.
What is the truth that is out there? The car will eventually be discounted and at let’s say $51K it’s a lot of car for the money.
That the car is disappointing in every measurable way and was over hyped, over marketed and couldn't meet the standards set by it's competitors five years ago that have been sitting targets. $51k? No it's not a lot of car for that money. I could see it doing well at $46,000 maybe. Above $50,000 you're up there with the big boys that actually know what they are doing. Sit down Acura, you fucked up.
That the car is disappointing in every measurable way and was over hyped, over marketed and couldn't meet the standards set by it's competitors five years ago that have been sitting targets. $51k? No it's not a lot of car for that money. I could see it doing well at $46,000 maybe. Above $50,000 you're up there with the big boys that actually know what they are doing. Sit down Acura, you fucked up.
That the car is disappointing in every measurable way and was over hyped, over marketed and couldn't meet the standards set by it's competitors five years ago that have been sitting targets. $51k? No it's not a lot of car for that money. I could see it doing well at $46,000 maybe. Above $50,000 you're up there with the big boys that actually know what they are doing. Sit down Acura, you fucked up.
What are all the measurements? Lol. And $50k is not up there with the big boys in my opinion. Sorry you don't like the TypeS. 👍🏼
A few thoughts I have:
- I’m perfectly happy with push button auto trans. If it’s an auto why bother with a big bulky stick?
- I agree with the 10/10 driving not really mattering but it never stepping out even when he tried. That’s disappointing… I mean if you come across an empty road with no cars around and you really want to slide, lose control and bend your rims, your car should let you. Also transmission shifting for you in manual mode was a letdown.
- it’s interesting they said they would take it over an IS-F. Personally I never cared for those, but if memory serves me right, some folks here were comparing the 2 with several in favor of the Lexus.
- it’s a shame the rear seats are not more spacious.
- I suppose time will tell, but personally I will take reliability and trouble free ownership over winning a drag race between stop lights. If BMW could go 13+ years like my 3rd gen TL-S I would probably have an M5 (wife always wanted an M car). But based on experience my family has had, that’s an unlikely scenario. With that said, the car needs to keep up with the market, and I feel power wise, this doesn’t.
my verdict: no manual, understeer only driving dynamic, I suspect I’ll get bored/tired of this car after a couple of years and as mentioned before I shop for the long haul.
I had a 2001 CL-S that I bought used in 2005, i really liked it when I got it but a few years later, I was getting desperate for something else, finally in 08 it was replaced with my TL-S. For some reason I feel like my attachment to the 2021 TLX-S would be similar to the CL-S I had.
A few thoughts I have:
- I’m perfectly happy with push button auto trans. If it’s an auto why bother with a big bulky stick?
- I agree with the 10/10 driving not really mattering but it never stepping out even when he tried. That’s disappointing… I mean if you come across an empty road with no cars around and you really want to slide, lose control and bend your rims, your car should let you. Also transmission shifting for you in manual mode was a letdown.
- it’s interesting they said they would take it over an IS-F. Personally I never cared for those, but if memory serves me right, some folks here were comparing the 2 with several in favor of the Lexus.
- it’s a shame the rear seats are not more spacious.
- I suppose time will tell, but personally I will take reliability and trouble free ownership over winning a drag race between stop lights. If BMW could go 13+ years like my 3rd gen TL-S I would probably have an M5 (wife always wanted an M car). But based on experience my family has had, that’s an unlikely scenario. With that said, the car needs to keep up with the market, and I feel power wise, this doesn’t.
my verdict: no manual, understeer only driving dynamic, I suspect I’ll get bored/tired of this car after a couple of years and as mentioned before I shop for the long haul.
I had a 2001 CL-S that I bought used in 2005, i really liked it when I got it but a few years later, I was getting desperate for something else, finally in 08 it was replaced with my TL-S. For some reason I feel like my attachment to the 2021 TLX-S would be similar to the CL-S I had.
Pending price, I'd 100% take the IS500 over the Type-S if I lived South of the snow belt. If it's within $5k, it's a no-brainer. Heck, if it starts at just under $60k, I'd be in. I still waffle on it due to being RWD only and living in NY ... but that car is going to be wonderful.
As for button gears, it's just as "bulky" as having an e-shifter ... but it takes up more space horizontally rather than vertically. After living with it, it's kind of egregious the amount of space is wasted on the shift buttons and drive mode dial in Acura's current layout. I didn't mind it at first, even liked it, but after two years of owning it, I'd much rather have something more "traditional."
As for BMW reliability ... M5 is a dream car of mine (so is the M3), but I will never ever own a BMW V8 long-term. They're beasts, but probably one of the most unreliable engines currently available in today's market. Straight-6 is where you want to land when going with something German built. The B58/S58 is turning out to be quite the engine. The fact that Toyota gave it the nod should be something to think about as well when referencing reliability. My biggest apprehension wouldn't be the actual engine itself, but the peripheral stuff like hoses and tubes that the Germans use ... they keep going with recycled plastics that get so damn brittle with heat cycles that they'll crack if you look at them funny. VW/Audi, BMW, Porsche, M-B ... all the same bullshit with that crappy plastic everywhere.
The posts on the FB group are pretty funny to read. Some folks are claiming that Thomas doesn't know how to drive, which is why he wasn't able to get the rear end to step out. Someone else is claiming that in the drag race the Type S was not in S+ mode because "I listened at full volume and could not hear the Type-S popping shifts when he raced the S4 and in S+ it *always* pops shifts cause the valves are fully open in that mode." And as always there are folks arguing about how this is not a track car, so how it does at the track and at the drag strip doesn't matter.
Based on the grammar, education, and occupation of most of these posters, I'm almost certain the vast majority are not (and will never be) able to afford a Type S anyways (at least not without taking out a 96-month subprime loan), so I'm not sure why they're stanning so hard for it.
The posts on the FB group are pretty funny to read. Some folks are claiming that Thomas doesn't know how to drive, which is why he wasn't able to get the rear end to step out. Someone else is claiming that in the drag race the Type S was not in S+ mode because "I listened at full volume and could not hear the Type-S popping shifts when he raced the S4 and in S+ it *always* pops shifts cause the valves are fully open in that mode." And as always there are folks arguing about how this is not a track car, so how it does at the track and at the drag strip doesn't matter.
Based on the grammar, education, and occupation of most of these posters, I'm almost certain the vast majority are not (and will never be) able to afford a Type S anyways (at least not without taking out a 96-month subprime loan), so I'm not sure why they're stanning so hard for it.
FB has always been a useful tool for manipulation. All you need is one charismatic cheerleader to wrangle up the mob mentality.
I haven’t been to Port Imperial in a while. Always loved that view of the city.
The whole area has changed. It's almost unrecognizable.. I remember as a kid going to the golf range in Weehawken and the entire Edgewater / Weehawken was industrial or swamp lands. I agree, the city view is stunning from our side, but I don't care to ever go to the city. I live about 5 mins away from Port Imperial.
The whole area has changed. It's almost unrecognizable.. I remember as a kid going to the golf range in Weehawken and the entire Edgewater / Weehawken was industrial or swamp lands. I agree, the city view is stunning from our side, but I don't care to ever go to the city. I live about 5 mins away from Port Imperial.
One of my fav restaurants is The Chart House. Great views of the city when eating with clients there.
One of my fav restaurants is The Chart House. Great views of the city when eating with clients there.
Chart House is great! Fun fact, we had our engagement dinner there. They did a fantastic job on everything. There are some great places to eat. We went to Lulu lounge last night. The food was fantastic! If you love desserts Cafe Archetypus (the cave) is one hell of a place. The interior is stunning!
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I worked at UBS Lincoln Harbor for years; always loved the view from my office window.
I'm always passing through the area (on river road) a lot. I had a friend do a video shoot of my TL and X3. He used some great fort lee, edgewater, weehakwen and NYC shots. Here they are. (Don't mind the music, he picked out everything)
The posts on the FB group are pretty funny to read. Some folks are claiming that Thomas doesn't know how to drive, which is why he wasn't able to get the rear end to step out. Someone else is claiming that in the drag race the Type S was not in S+ mode because "I listened at full volume and could not hear the Type-S popping shifts when he raced the S4 and in S+ it *always* pops shifts cause the valves are fully open in that mode." And as always there are folks arguing about how this is not a track car, so how it does at the track and at the drag strip doesn't matter.
Based on the grammar, education, and occupation of most of these posters, I'm almost certain the vast majority are not (and will never be) able to afford a Type S anyways (at least not without taking out a 96-month subprime loan), so I'm not sure why they're stanning so hard for it.
The only thing I question about the video is if it was actually understeering. It looked like ever so slight oversteer through the corners but I wasnt the one driving so maybe just appears that way.
The only thing I question about the video is if it was actually understeering. It looked like ever so slight oversteer through the corners but I wasnt the one driving so maybe just appears that way.
there is actually a video on YouTube of the guy sliding the rear out… so I do question this as well
Haven't seen you around in a long ass time Brian! How's it going brotha! Love your X5!!!!! I own two G01 X3's, one of which is a M40i.
Sweet X3 man! It's has indeed been a very long time! Acura just hasn't given me enough of a reason to come back to the brand.... good to see your WDP 3G TL going strong! Mine died a few years ago, so letting go of that was tough, but boy was it a different feeling getting into an F80 M3!
It was a drag race with no click bait in title, out of nowhere, no build up to it, quick and done, no talk necessary. They did it this way to shit on that staged race on redline where you can see S4 driver lift off as the front nose dived. I unsubscribed from redline after this.
I lot of guys here who have never raced might not know what that means. Was in a handicapped (slow car leaves first) elimination series with a 12.20 dial in. Guy I was running against was in the13's. Light go green, he is off & running while I set there & wait for my turn to go. Got antsy, left early, fouled, got a read light - instant looser
When you launch from a dead stop the cars has a weight shift onto the rear wheels. You can see this shift as the front of the car raises & the rear squats. Dedicated racers run special shocks to facilitate this weight shift. As the car makes is run the front slowly drops back to its normal stance. If you suddenly get off the gas the front flops down & is quite visible.
So when my competitor saw my nose drop he coasted the rest of the way for the win. Asked me later if something broke as he saw the nose drop in his mirror. Told him I red lighted.
Sweet X3 man! It's has indeed been a very long time! Acura just hasn't given me enough of a reason to come back to the brand.... good to see your WDP 3G TL going strong! Mine died a few years ago, so letting go of that was tough, but boy was it a different feeling getting into an F80 M3!
Thanks brotha! It's good to hear from you. Long are the days that Acura has made anything as what captured us like the 3rd gen TL. I'm one of the last OG's with a minty fresh 3rd gen. I rarely use it. I debate selling it at the 20 year old mark. My wife told me to get an F80 or the G80 M3. I haven't decided as it's not important right now as I plan on finishing the exterior reno work on my house. Currently my back yard and concrete walkways on both sides are ripped up. Getting new drainage and fresh concrete top. Next is leveling my driveway pavers and finishing stone work over the brick. This is the most recent uncovered photos of my TL. About 2 months ago. It got another paint correction and coating. Had a few very minor misc dings removed at the same time. I didn't put on the WORKS this year, as I won't enjoy it anyway.
there is actually a video on YouTube of the guy sliding the rear out… so I do question this as well
Look at the car list & times this guy has done all on this same track. You really believe he could not get the car into oversteer if it was possible. I would expect most of the critics could not get any of these cars around this course anywhere near the times they are turning it without putting them in the dirt nose first understeer or tail first oversteer.
Thought the whole idea from what I read here is for the S to "corner like its on rails". Cars cornering like they are on rails do not oversteer. Oversteer scares the crap out of the driving public. "We are skidding we are all going to die!!"
Acura's written claim is that it REDUCES understeer, not eliminate it to neutral handling or further actually forcing oversteer. Acura also uses the word "feeling". If you go from a high level of understeer to a lower level of understeering it will certainly feel better. Just feeling better is not going to provide oversteer.
Its also common knowledge that cars sold for the American roads typically have understeer dialed in at the factory to keep the drivers from killing themselves. We have a Genesis Coupe R-Spec in the family & it came with camber bolts in the trunk, that I installed, to remove the understeer if you were going to track it.
Randy Pobst tested the Corvette at VIR & it was not quick enough around the track with its out of the factory settings. Randy begins by explaining what the Chevy engineers did at VIR to try to mitigate the understeer that MT and their peers have noted in early tests of the newest Corvette: “they alter the wheel alignment with a small tweak to the front caster, and large increases in negative camber, front and rear. This is where the tops of the tires lean in, to compensate for the cornering loads and body roll of high g-force cornering.
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Pending price, I'd 100% take the IS500 over the Type-S if I lived South of the snow belt. If it's within $5k, it's a no-brainer. Heck, if it starts at just under $60k, I'd be in. I still waffle on it due to being RWD only and living in NY ... but that car is going to be wonderful.
As for button gears, it's just as "bulky" as having an e-shifter ... but it takes up more space horizontally rather than vertically. After living with it, it's kind of egregious the amount of space is wasted on the shift buttons and drive mode dial in Acura's current layout. I didn't mind it at first, even liked it, but after two years of owning it, I'd much rather have something more "traditional."
As for BMW reliability ... M5 is a dream car of mine (so is the M3), but I will never ever own a BMW V8 long-term. They're beasts, but probably one of the most unreliable engines currently available in today's market. Straight-6 is where you want to land when going with something German built. The B58/S58 is turning out to be quite the engine. The fact that Toyota gave it the nod should be something to think about as well when referencing reliability. My biggest apprehension wouldn't be the actual engine itself, but the peripheral stuff like hoses and tubes that the Germans use ... they keep going with recycled plastics that get so damn brittle with heat cycles that they'll crack if you look at them funny. VW/Audi, BMW, Porsche, M-B ... all the same bullshit with that crappy plastic everywhere.
I should have been more clear with the shifter lever. I was trying to say they can put them a bit more out of the way. I agree the TLX made it too much of a style feature and as a result it takes a lot of space.
Now briefly on the M3… the new one has that bullshit grill. I can’t spend my money on that. It’s M2 or M5. I really like the M2, my neighbor has one, but I’m good on the sport car front so, M5 or public transit for me.
back on the TLX topic, I’m glad it’s not ticking more boxes for me because i don’t need to start convincing myself that I need a new car even though there are zero issues with our current cars.
I should have been more clear with the shifter lever. I was trying to say they can put them a bit more out of the way. I agree the TLX made it too much of a style feature and as a result it takes a lot of space.
Now briefly on the M3… the new one has that bullshit grill. I can’t spend my money on that. It’s M2 or M5. I really like the M2, my neighbor has one, but I’m good on the sport car front so, M5 or public transit for me.
back on the TLX topic, I’m glad it’s not ticking more boxes for me because i don’t need to start convincing myself that I need a new car even though there are zero issues with our current cars.
100% agree. Supposedly the massive grille was to appease the Chinese market. I don't understand, with how big of a brand BMW is, why they couldn't simply have the M3/M4 look the way it does in China, and give the rest of the world a more traditional BMW look. I'd hope that in 2-3yrs that they'd refresh the look and do away with the grille, but with how arrogant BMW execs can be, I doubt it will happen. The head designer has staunchly stated "you can't please everyone" and something to the tune of, 'well, actually, 1 in 5 people surveyed actually like the big grille' ... as if that were a good thing. I'm sure the engineering team behind the wonderful machine that is the G8x M3/M4 want to wring the necks of the design team. I wonder if it's the same story in the Acura camp between the engineering team and marketing team ...
I mean, you can't tell me the real M4 looks better than this ...
Pending price, I'd 100% take the IS500 over the Type-S if I lived South of the snow belt. If it's within $5k, it's a no-brainer. Heck, if it starts at just under $60k, I'd be in. I still waffle on it due to being RWD only and living in NY ... but that car is going to be wonderful.
We'll know in a month, but I'd be surprised to see these for less than $65-70k once optioned up and on dealer lots. Also waffling here due to RWD vs. AWD in the snow belt. An optioned-up IS350 F Sport AWD with the new DHP package comes out to about $54.5k, for whatever that's worth.
Thanks brotha! It's good to hear from you. Long are the days that Acura has made anything as what captured us like the 3rd gen TL. I'm one of the last OG's with a minty fresh 3rd gen. I rarely use it. I debate selling it at the 20 year old mark. My wife told me to get an F80 or the G80 M3. I haven't decided as it's not important right now as I plan on finishing the exterior reno work on my house. Currently my back yard and concrete walkways on both sides are ripped up. Getting new drainage and fresh concrete top. Next is leveling my driveway pavers and finishing stone work over the brick. This is the most recent uncovered photos of my TL. About 2 months ago. It got another paint correction and coating. Had a few very minor misc dings removed at the same time. I didn't put on the WORKS this year, as I won't enjoy it anyway.
Wow I'm floored with how clean and well kept your car is! How's the CT SC? I would actually be interested in purchasing a 3G TL but it's hard to find one with less than 50K mi.
Yeah the X5 is the family car, and for performance I'm thinking G82 M4 in the near future.
Is it even possible to drive a vehicle at 8/10 on the street? I guess I’m one of those 7/10 drivers. I’d never have the desire to push the car harder than that and I can’t imagine tracking the car. I’m sure it’s fun, but being able to swing out the rear end is not anything I’ve ever wanted to do when driving.
Exactly right! This car wasn't made FOR the track...it's a great "everyday driving sports sedan" that does many things well, and in many areas better than it's immediate competition.
It's not always about .2 of a second, or how much the rear "slides or drifts".....Acura designed this version of SH-Awd so that it DOESN'T break loose when pushed hard in the corner.
These guys were idiots and don't know what the hell they are talking about. I watched the video, since I tend to watch them all and then evaluate. I've owned many Acuras...and high
perf. cars. I thought these guys are nuts. IF sliding the rear out is how you want your kicks...then find a car that will. The Type S was NOT designed to give you that. It stays planted and
gets through the curves much quicker BECAUSE of it's AWD system. Geeezzz.
So, for all that want to watch a REAL race car driver, a teacher of HP racing for 20 yrs, a car tester, an author, speaker, a stunt car driver and someone who has just probably driven
everything out there.....RE-WATCH....TFL cars....with Paul Gerrard. He's the guy in this paragraph. He uses his vast experience and common sense evaluating the way the Type S
was designed, what is was meant for, how it truly torque vectors the rear and overdrives the rear wheels as needed to power through so you can drive it at it's max....he said almost
no turbo lag, if any....and car enthusiasts know this about this "twin scroll single turbo"....and he talks about that in the beginning. And, a touch of understeer when pushed hard, but,
easily handled...again...IF YOU KNOW what the hell you are doing. IF YOU KNOW
how to drive. He's raced Laguna Seca OFTEN....and knows more about how to handle a car and evaluate it than those 2 idiots on Throttle House.
This is NOT a race car....NOT a track car.....and NOT meant to be everything to all, esp those that think it should have 500 hp and thus isn't worthy. Most, want to move this car "out
of it's lane"....the "lane" is where Acura puts a vehicle when it is designed and built. Too many on here want it to be in another lane! Is the S4 quicker....sure by a little....but, so what??!!
It is just over 300 lbs lighter. That IS a factor whether you Audi fan boys think it's not...then you don't know much about cars, speed, acc. times, etc.
What it does do well....and Paul pointed this out....AFTER he drove the white S4.....are so many areas with the ride, interior comfort, classier interior, more modern int. layout and materials, etc.
It does more things well than the Audi at....a much lower price point than a comp. equipped Audi.
Is it perfect...??? NO car is...period. Do I think it should be no more than 4K lbs?....Yes...but, man, even so, as Paul mentioned, it sure does so MANY things well for the way it was designed and built.
That's what we buy cars for...or most. IF you want a faster street "hot rod"...then buy something else...I know you Type S haters won't be buying one...SO DON"T. We don't care! Buy what's right for YOU.
I def. own a faster street car. A '21 Mustang GT, Perf. Pack car with ALL options avail, and it's damn quick, stops on those 6 piston Brembos, puts the power down with the 3:55 Torsen rear gears.
Is it "perfect"...can it be beaten in a street race by "something else?.....of course it can. But, so what??!! It's so much fun to drive. THAT'S WHAT BEING A CAR ENTHUSIAST IS ALL ABOUT. A car that's
fun to drive in many ways. IF you want the fastest car on the streets....then those are buyable and buildable. But...that's a different category.
As when talking Type S...it's in it's own category or "lane" and it moves within "it's lane" quite well for the money. COMFORTABLE SPORTS SEDAN THAT CAN BE A DAILY DRIVER...FOR SURE...AND
IF you know how to truly handle a car with the amazing true mechanical torque vectoring, then it will be a blast to drive on some back country curvy roads.
I've looked at them all to be fair to myself so I knew what I felt was right and fun for ME. NOT because a certain car is .4 or .2 or whatever quicker, etc, etc.....NO, it's about the OVERALL car and what it
brings to the table...at what price point? IF I want a "different type of car that is faster, handles like a true race car"....then I can buy that on the side for those "track days" I'd want the adrenalin to really
start pumping.
Keep it all in perspective. I personally really like the interior much more than the Audi and some others. Many do....Audi makes great cars...I get that. But, the fact that it's a little quicker down the track...
so what...again!!! It's the "package" for me. What does the ENTIRE CAR BRING for it's cost. Does it have some warts...sure....but, boy, it does have so many great attributes....for what it was designed
to do. Is an Audi, MB, BMW perfect?? Hell no. Can they be "better in some areas?".....sure....but, so what?? IF the Type S fits YOUR NEEDS and desires in a car...at a great price point, then it's a GREAT
car....for you. Certainly...apparently...not for the Audi, MB, and BMW fan boys on here. Go to those sights! You're wanted there. Why keep coming here to bash a car YOU don't like????
I'm still deciding. IF I choose a Type S, I will order a '22. NO ADM's at my dealer....and NO MSRP either for me. So, pricing will be just fine. I do want a '22 C8 Vette....but, getting one in my lifetime...LOL...is
not easy. And, I can...YES...get one at MSRP. Already have it planned....but, the wait time is just crazy. Two different kinds of cars, of course. I like many cars for different reasons. Love my '22 MDX Adv...after
owning other MDX's, RDX's, etc.
Buy the car that fits YOU...and stop bashing a car you know you don't want. IT IS the right car for many out there. Again, is the Type S a perfect car...the fastest...for it's class...NO...and lastly...so what?!! IF it fits
what a buyer wants and needs....that's ALL that matters. I'll let the S4 go by me...I don't care...because the Type S...I believe...haven't had one for long to drive....I know will most likely put a smile on my face...with
it's comfort, amazing 16 way seats, amazing audio, and VERY quick when you want it to be.
Lastly...one KEY point of many....he made about the Dynamic Control Adj. It changes MANY parameters within the vehicle, and that impressed him a lot...and that's coming from a pure race car driver and all around
expert in how a vehicle handles, and he added it was cool that even the exh. note changes in the different modes, to "match" what type of driving you might be doing. Yes, I can change my exh. tone in my Mustang,
but, I have to do it....it doesn't change when I change the drive mode on it's own. Kinda cool what Acura did there....
Would I bash the Type S IF it was a "total bust?'....yeah, I would critique all the bad points and pass on it. I like Acuras...but, IF a certain model is not well done in most areas....then I won't buy it. The ILX is an Acura,
not the car for me!...BUT, I know it's great for many people. And...so it goes. Different cars for different people. Just because one is not for you...why spend so much energy bashing it. Spend your energy on the
"other sites" of the cars you apparently like much more. Kinda simple huh? But, then, there are antagonizes here that WANT to be here, be mean, nasty, etc,...'cause???....Momma didn't raise them right!!!
100% agree. Supposedly the massive grille was to appease the Chinese market. I don't understand, with how big of a brand BMW is, why they couldn't simply have the M3/M4 look the way it does in China, and give the rest of the world a more traditional BMW look. I'd hope that in 2-3yrs that they'd refresh the look and do away with the grille, but with how arrogant BMW execs can be, I doubt it will happen. The head designer has staunchly stated "you can't please everyone" and something to the tune of, 'well, actually, 1 in 5 people surveyed actually like the big grille' ... as if that were a good thing. I'm sure the engineering team behind the wonderful machine that is the G8x M3/M4 want to wring the necks of the design team. I wonder if it's the same story in the Acura camp between the engineering team and marketing team ...
I mean, you can't tell me the real M4 looks better than this ...
I disagree! With the right exterior color and M performance parts, it looks absolutely stunning the way it is:
100% agree. Supposedly the massive grille was to appease the Chinese market. I don't understand, with how big of a brand BMW is, why they couldn't simply have the M3/M4 look the way it does in China, and give the rest of the world a more traditional BMW look. I'd hope that in 2-3yrs that they'd refresh the look and do away with the grille, but with how arrogant BMW execs can be, I doubt it will happen. The head designer has staunchly stated "you can't please everyone" and something to the tune of, 'well, actually, 1 in 5 people surveyed actually like the big grille' ... as if that were a good thing. I'm sure the engineering team behind the wonderful machine that is the G8x M3/M4 want to wring the necks of the design team. I wonder if it's the same story in the Acura camp between the engineering team and marketing team ...
I mean, you can't tell me the real M4 looks better than this ...
Like the custom German Front. Trying to get my daughter to think about letting me do hers. Might not fly because of the special paint. That said not many will see the front.
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We'll know in a month, but I'd be surprised to see these for less than $65-70k once optioned up and on dealer lots. Also waffling here due to RWD vs. AWD in the snow belt. An optioned-up IS350 F Sport AWD with the new DHP package comes out to about $54.5k, for whatever that's worth.
With how Lexus has been with pricing, it wouldn't surprise me. One thing that gives me hope is that they didn't brand it a full on F model, instead IS500 F-Sport Performance. The RC-F starts at $66k, so I'd imagine it'll be under that, but by how much (if at all)? Also, looking at the comparable segment, the performance will be similar to the Germans, despite the IS500 having more power, and it still can't touch the M340i, the class leader in performance. But then again, on paper, they can flaunt the higher power figures to command a higher price. And I also see some places comparing it to the M3 & C63 rather than the M340i & C43 ... but the car simply can't hold a candle to those tiers of cars. That could vastly change how they price the thing.
They state the car will go on sale in the Fall, so hopefully the wait isn't much longer to fully reveal packaging and pricing.
Wow I'm floored with how clean and well kept your car is! How's the CT SC? I would actually be interested in purchasing a 3G TL but it's hard to find one with less than 50K mi.
Yeah the X5 is the family car, and for performance I'm thinking G82 M4 in the near future.
Thank you for the kind words Brian. A lot of love and dedication to keep my TL in the condition it is after 15 years of ownership.
The car puts down nearly 340 wHP. Technically would now and perhaps a tad more since it has a V3-R J-pipe, fresh tank of gas and a new battery.
Drives exactly how it should for 2021. Its fun, sounds great has great power which will surprise some caught off guard and the rare ability to row your own gears.
I wasn't concern about maximum hp / tq figures. Not bad for a stock engine, stock fuel, stock ecu running at most 5 psi (more like 3-4)
The likely you will find a well kept 3rd gen TL with low miles is rare.. more so with specific ones like a 6MT type-s. The 3rd gen has gone up in prices, really more or less low mileage 6MT, especially the type-s.
I've been debating listing my TL on cars and bids or bring a trailer at some point. My TL is my classic car to me. Rare to see one this well kept. They are mostly clapped to hell and neglected.
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