I test drove a demo Type S at my dealer and…..
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OP do you remember the mileage of the car you drove?
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I never said I wanted it to be a “rocket” did I. It is far slower than a 340 or Infiniti Red Sport, or IS350. Now I did have 2 other people in the car, but it was definitely not impressive as for power. I’d rather get the new IS500 coming out for the same price, we’ll same price once the idiot Acura dealer gets done trying to sodomize you with $10000 dealer markups.
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I never said I wanted it to be a “rocket” did I. It is far slower than a 340 or Infiniti Red Sport, or IS350. Now I did have 2 other people in the car, but it was definitely not impressive as for power. I’d rather get the new IS500 coming out for the same price, we’ll same price once the idiot Acura dealer gets done trying to sodomize you with $10000 dealer markups.
And my dealer sold all 6 of their Type S models for MSRP, no markups.
And an IS350 F-sport (package 3) costs MORE than a Type S, so I highly doubt the IS500 will be the "same price"
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All new cars are the same shit. Good sound system, myspace page integration, good gas,
good acceleration, decent interiors...but all throwaways that are overly complicated. Pick
your poison...pick your brand but with the Global economy don't be surprised to find out
the majority of parts and design are done at the same place across the board.
Best thing to do is not compare to other cars. If you're brand loyal to Honda then you'll love the car.
If you're not and you start comparing, you will be disappointed.
Also, lower your expectations. All cars now are fast. Imagine a time machine where you brought
someone from the 70's with their 400 cube inches and 175 hp to today. WHOAHHH is this a
corolla S? Is this the future?
good acceleration, decent interiors...but all throwaways that are overly complicated. Pick
your poison...pick your brand but with the Global economy don't be surprised to find out
the majority of parts and design are done at the same place across the board.
Best thing to do is not compare to other cars. If you're brand loyal to Honda then you'll love the car.
If you're not and you start comparing, you will be disappointed.
Also, lower your expectations. All cars now are fast. Imagine a time machine where you brought
someone from the 70's with their 400 cube inches and 175 hp to today. WHOAHHH is this a
corolla S? Is this the future?
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Would I buy it? If I didn't have kids, and if it was priced at MSRP....maybe. I'd take it over the S4/S5 SB because it really does feel more driver-focused and more "racy", even if the S4 is likely a better daily driver. And if this came with a 6MT, I would absolutely take it over the Germans and even the IS500. It's a car that's fun to drive, and since it's probably not going to beat the Audi or BMW at the test track, I just wish Acura would have leaned in even harder on the "fun-to-drive" aspect and offered a 6MT.
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I think that how the car gets up to speed is more obvious than actual acceleration...sounds, feel, the way it revs.
German isn't that bad to maintain IMO but you do need to be willing to wrench yourself and buy a couple of triple square
and torx bit sets.
@ELIN Love the 3.0T(sc)...solid powerplant and with a tune, they move.
German isn't that bad to maintain IMO but you do need to be willing to wrench yourself and buy a couple of triple square
and torx bit sets.
@ELIN Love the 3.0T(sc)...solid powerplant and with a tune, they move.
#48
Interesting though that Acura themselves compares the regular TLX to the 5 series and A6 when the features are not very close either. What I was trying to say is based on preferences the higher tiered cars are not that far off IF BEING CAREFUL ON OPTIONS. If people sacrificed stuff in the advance to get the Type-S, well nothing is stopping them from getting a German performance car. It seems people are happy to get a better engine minus the fancier tech (analogue gauges, touchpad is fine ... etc ). But when starting to compare S5 (or others) to Type-S ... now you have to add every single feature or else it's not the same car. Even though the opposite is sometimes impossible. The Type-S itself is a compromise.
Buying the Audi because you like it more and you think its a better car is a completely acceptable reason, but cost cant be argued between the 2.
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a $13,000 cheaper compromise. Literally the only features missing are HUD between the Type S and Advance in Canada. To spec the Audi the same as the Type S +HUD and digital dash its over $13,000 difference. If you remove a massive laundry list of comparible features from the Audi then its still, at the very least $5,100 more. the cheapest S5 in Canada right now is $70,103 because no one specs them as strippers because of all the features you would be missing. $10,603 difference for the cheapest model of the car in the country is huge.
Buying the Audi because you like it more and you think its a better car is a completely acceptable reason, but cost cant be argued between the 2.
Buying the Audi because you like it more and you think its a better car is a completely acceptable reason, but cost cant be argued between the 2.
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Compare apples to oranges and say it's only $2K difference hahah! Type S and S5 are absolutely incomparable. ... But when people try to justify something that doesn't make sense. makes me laugh. There is no secret here. Everyone can login to Audi.ca and built and compare. There shouldn't be even a discussion.
But good luck getting that Type-S to match the S5 SB gram for gram
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I don't recall such a statement from Acura (link please?). I do recall statements from AZ members/owners that pointed out how the external dimensions are similar to the 5 series and A6.
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I never said I wanted it to be a “rocket” did I. It is far slower than a 340 or Infiniti Red Sport, or IS350. Now I did have 2 other people in the car, but it was definitely not impressive as for power. I’d rather get the new IS500 coming out for the same price, we’ll same price once the idiot Acura dealer gets done trying to sodomize you with $10000 dealer markups.
Other two you mentioned though are just head scratching.. The Infinity is a very dated car, way behind on tech with a struggling parent company for more money.. sure it might get you to 60 a few tenths of a second faster (will you notice since you can't tell the difference between a 3.5L TLX and 3.0L TLX a full second apart in a sprint?) but you can say with a straight face you would rather own that? To each their own. IS350 best numbers I see are around 5.5-5.7s to 60 so I don't see how that compares favorably at all from a performance perspective.
Nobody should pay markup, laugh at dealers who try and walk away.
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The IS500 is going to be expensive. Close to 70k loaded they(Lexus) also don’t lease well. You can lease a loaded 340 in the 600’s. They also offer crazy discounts. You can talk down a 67k 340 to 58k. At that point you have to weigh options. A Lexus is350 leases at nearly 800 a month .
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I seriously doubt the IS500 will be that expensive. If it is Lexus wasted their time by making it an F-Sport instead of an “F”.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
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https://www.acura.com/compare/audi-a6-vs-acura-tlx
https://www.acura.com/compare/bmw-530i-vs-acura-tlx
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I'm pretty sure there was a slide, but can't find it now. However, Acura has a nice little page that tries to compare them. So to the ones saying we can't compare base to loaded version, Acura has marketing that clearly does.
https://www.acura.com/compare/audi-a6-vs-acura-tlx
https://www.acura.com/compare/bmw-530i-vs-acura-tlx
https://www.acura.com/compare/audi-a6-vs-acura-tlx
https://www.acura.com/compare/bmw-530i-vs-acura-tlx
If I was getting an A6 or 5 series, I'd probably opt for the 6 cyl and not the 4's. The expected arrival of the Type S came too far ahead of when my lease was up. In hindsight, I'm glad I don't have to deal with all this ADM nonsense and the waiting game. I've enjoyed my 2.0 TLX for 8 months and get complimented all the time. The downside is there are far too many sporty cars tailgating me to see if I'm a Type S. LOL!
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The IS500 is going to be expensive. Close to 70k loaded they(Lexus) also don’t lease well. You can lease a loaded 340 in the 600’s. They also offer crazy discounts. You can talk down a 67k 340 to 58k. At that point you have to weigh options. A Lexus is350 leases at nearly 800 a month .
I dunno, I guess I'm just not smart enough to wrap my head around the whole thing. Suppose I'll just stick to buying my cars every 10+ years.
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This is why I still don't get leasing. With the model I've seen from numerous people/sources, you'd think Lexus would lease incredibly well thanks to their resale/residual. On the flip side, BMW doesn't have a very good resale in comparison and so you'd think they wouldn't lease very well. Who in their right mind would pay almost $29k to "rent" an IS350 and pay more than the depreciation of that car in 3yrs? It's good for the dealer, but pretty absurd for anyone to pay for that, unless you like throwing away money. If you simply want a new car every 3yrs, you'd be better off trading it in, or selling it privately and buying another new car in that time period.
I dunno, I guess I'm just not smart enough to wrap my head around the whole thing. Suppose I'll just stick to buying my cars every 10+ years.
I dunno, I guess I'm just not smart enough to wrap my head around the whole thing. Suppose I'll just stick to buying my cars every 10+ years.
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I seriously doubt the IS500 will be that expensive. If it is Lexus wasted their time by making it an F-Sport instead of an “F”.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
It would be quite interesting if they were able to make the IS500 start at mid-$50k.
"Hurrr, but I can get an IS350 F-Sport to nearly $60k, there's no way the IS500 starts under $60k! Durrr!"
Yes, fuckface, but only if you put literally every single optional extra ever on the car. I was able to build a RWD IS350-F Sport with Dynamic Handling Package, Triple Beam Headlights and Mark Levinson Audio System for $49.5k. If we go by the Acura model that upcharges $6k for the Type-S over the A-Spec, that would put the IS500 right around $55.5k to start. Will they do that? Who the heck knows, but if they're trying to realistically compete in this segment, it would be quite something to see aggressive pricing in that area. But, as I've said, this is why I think it's foolish to jump at snagging up a Type-S as quickly as you can when everyone knows the IS500 is coming relatively soon. Everyone is simply speculating on pricing.
Its main disadvantage is RWD only. The people talking about it being on an old chassis won't even be able to wring the full potential out of either of these cars, especially on the street, so who cares. Exterior and interior, in my subjective view, the Lexus wins hands down. I don't care if the interior has hardly been changed in over a decade ... it still looks good.
Argumentative points aside, the main thing is there's no reason to be paying these absurd ADMs for this car ... especially with something potentially better right around the corner. It's like cutting someone in line to get the last slice of pepperoni pizza out ... and then the guy behind you gets the first slice of a fresh new pie. I dunno, does that work? I was never good at metaphors ...
BMW resale values when it comes to private party sales might not be that good, but resale values for BMWs sold at dealerships are outstanding. That's why their residuals are so high, which is what enables them to offer such great lease deals. They make quite a bit of money selling lease returns because there's a pretty substantial market of people looking for CPO BMWs who are willing to pay a premium for one, but can't afford to buy a new one.
Honestly, in a couple years when this madness in the used car market dies down, this may honestly be the way to go. A CPO M340i with around 20-25k miles for hopefully just under $40k.
Who knows tho, the price of everything is going up. I fear that even when everything is corrected, these companies are going to look at sales and say, "well, people were still buying our shit at inflated prices, so why not keep them there?" People say the market will correct itself thru demand ... but will demand really diminish if we simply become accustomed to the new pricing? I dunno ... this tinfoil hat is starting to hurt my head tho ...
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It’s going to make a great daily driver. Even in my short test drive, I could tell that it’s going to be very nice to drive day-to-day, but if you’re looking for outright speed, the Type-S is not the answer. It’s quiet, comfortable, has a great ride, easy to see out of and maneuver … it’s just not very fast if you’re a speed junkie.
But that's me. I have plenty of power in my ASpec, but then I'm not buying a car for drag racing.
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I find it bizzare that people feel that a 4.5 car off the line is a slow or not particularly quick car. Is anyone serious looking at this car going to prioritize a .5 - .8 of a second difference??? I think handling and comfort along with the power is going to be the priority for the vast majority of potential buyers.
But that's me. I have plenty of power in my ASpec, but then I'm not buying a car for drag racing.
But that's me. I have plenty of power in my ASpec, but then I'm not buying a car for drag racing.
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I seriously doubt the IS500 will be that expensive. If it is Lexus wasted their time by making it an F-Sport instead of an “F”.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
As to a loaded M340 being in the 600s for a lease, if you mean loaded as in $67,000 or over sticker, you will be damn lucky to get it into the $600s, and if it is it will be the very high $600s. I considered it a few months ago and the numbers on one listing for $62,000 was a little over $700. And that was an invoice deal less incentives.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
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it will. The GSF goes for nearly 90 grand and is slow compared to its competition. RCF new also is well in the 80 grand range. Same Engine in a IS500 will not be cheap. Lexus IS really crazy with their prices.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
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it will. The GSF goes for nearly 90 grand and is slow compared to its competition. RCF new also is well in the 80 grand range. Same Engine in a IS500 will not be cheap. Lexus IS really crazy with their prices.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
The IS500 coming out is literally an IS 350 F-Sport with just the engine stuffed into it and virtually no other changes. The “$90,000” GSF has a lot of expensive technology added to to that was only used on that car, and sort of on the RCF. The IS 500 is not going down that road.
Good conversation
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The point you seem to be overlooking is that they have built full blown ISFs (not F-Sport) in the past. Why else would they now offer it in an F-Sport package which has a lot less features than the other Fs that you mentioned if not to be able to offer the car a lot cheaper?
The IS500 coming out is literally an IS 350 F-Sport with just the engine stuffed into it and virtually no other changes. The “$90,000” GSF has a lot of expensive technology added to to that was only used on that car, and sort of on the RCF. The IS 500 is not going down that road.
Good conversation
The IS500 coming out is literally an IS 350 F-Sport with just the engine stuffed into it and virtually no other changes. The “$90,000” GSF has a lot of expensive technology added to to that was only used on that car, and sort of on the RCF. The IS 500 is not going down that road.
Good conversation
Tht Lexus infotainment is horrible.
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When the ISF first came out it was expensive . Even used they are extremely expensive. Lexus knows this so they will price the IS500 in the low 60’s and optioned you’ll be pushing 70k or low 70’s I’d like to be wrong because I want one. But I doubt I will be.
Tht Lexus infotainment is horrible.
Tht Lexus infotainment is horrible.
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If it's fully loaded, I don't think it's too out of the realm of possibility. I honestly think the IS500 will start just shy of $60k. Lexus is pretty self-absorbed when coming up with their pricing. The fact that they released the GS-F to be an M5 fighter while not even being able to take down its little sibling, the M3, but priced to be a bargain M5 was just laughable. I don't dislike the car ... in fact, I like it very much, but the pricing on it was just absurd. They sort of wised up with the RC-F by reducing the sticker by $25k.
It would be quite interesting if they were able to make the IS500 start at mid-$50k.
"Hurrr, but I can get an IS350 F-Sport to nearly $60k, there's no way the IS500 starts under $60k! Durrr!"
Yes, fuckface, but only if you put literally every single optional extra ever on the car. I was able to build a RWD IS350-F Sport with Dynamic Handling Package, Triple Beam Headlights and Mark Levinson Audio System for $49.5k. If we go by the Acura model that upcharges $6k for the Type-S over the A-Spec, that would put the IS500 right around $55.5k to start. Will they do that? Who the heck knows, but if they're trying to realistically compete in this segment, it would be quite something to see aggressive pricing in that area. But, as I've said, this is why I think it's foolish to jump at snagging up a Type-S as quickly as you can when everyone knows the IS500 is coming relatively soon. Everyone is simply speculating on pricing.
Its main disadvantage is RWD only. The people talking about it being on an old chassis won't even be able to wring the full potential out of either of these cars, especially on the street, so who cares. Exterior and interior, in my subjective view, the Lexus wins hands down. I don't care if the interior has hardly been changed in over a decade ... it still looks good.
Argumentative points aside, the main thing is there's no reason to be paying these absurd ADMs for this car ... especially with something potentially better right around the corner. It's like cutting someone in line to get the last slice of pepperoni pizza out ... and then the guy behind you gets the first slice of a fresh new pie. I dunno, does that work? I was never good at metaphors ...
It would be quite interesting if they were able to make the IS500 start at mid-$50k.
"Hurrr, but I can get an IS350 F-Sport to nearly $60k, there's no way the IS500 starts under $60k! Durrr!"
Yes, fuckface, but only if you put literally every single optional extra ever on the car. I was able to build a RWD IS350-F Sport with Dynamic Handling Package, Triple Beam Headlights and Mark Levinson Audio System for $49.5k. If we go by the Acura model that upcharges $6k for the Type-S over the A-Spec, that would put the IS500 right around $55.5k to start. Will they do that? Who the heck knows, but if they're trying to realistically compete in this segment, it would be quite something to see aggressive pricing in that area. But, as I've said, this is why I think it's foolish to jump at snagging up a Type-S as quickly as you can when everyone knows the IS500 is coming relatively soon. Everyone is simply speculating on pricing.
Its main disadvantage is RWD only. The people talking about it being on an old chassis won't even be able to wring the full potential out of either of these cars, especially on the street, so who cares. Exterior and interior, in my subjective view, the Lexus wins hands down. I don't care if the interior has hardly been changed in over a decade ... it still looks good.
Argumentative points aside, the main thing is there's no reason to be paying these absurd ADMs for this car ... especially with something potentially better right around the corner. It's like cutting someone in line to get the last slice of pepperoni pizza out ... and then the guy behind you gets the first slice of a fresh new pie. I dunno, does that work? I was never good at metaphors ...
And to get the IS350 with the same features that are standard on the Type S will require the F-sport package 3. So it's hard to image an IS500 being "the same" cost as the Type S unless it's completely stripped of options.
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it will. The GSF goes for nearly 90 grand and is slow compared to its competition. RCF new also is well in the 80 grand range. Same Engine in a IS500 will not be cheap. Lexus IS really crazy with their prices.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
People using brokers are getting M340’s in the high 600 low 700 range now which is what I see A specs leasing for.
I find it bizzare that people feel that a 4.5 car off the line is a slow or not particularly quick car. Is anyone serious looking at this car going to prioritize a .5 - .8 of a second difference??? I think handling and comfort along with the power is going to be the priority for the vast majority of potential buyers.
But that's me. I have plenty of power in my ASpec, but then I'm not buying a car for drag racing.
But that's me. I have plenty of power in my ASpec, but then I'm not buying a car for drag racing.
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 6.9 sec
100 mph: 16.3 sec
1/4 mile: 15.1 sec @ 96 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 116 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 261 ft
Roadholding, 242-ft-dia skidpad: 0.77 g
Now its slower than a 4 cylinder BMW 330 to 60mph & 1/4 mile. Time moves on & what is fast/quick changes with it. Today a quick car is sub 4 seconds to 60. Agree a lot is image but also suggest at lot of guys who never set foot on a track buy image. Acura marketing has that figured out & its all they are selling besides BIGGER that the others. They are selling the 4 cylinder TLX on the fact it has more horsepower than the German 4 cylinder cars even though its slower than a 4 cylinder Accord. Performance guys know its nonsense but the spec racers looking for bragging rights don't care.
As for comfort what cars today are actually uncomfortable & don't handle at least into the .8G's on a slid pad? The 2021 Sport sedans are testing into the upper .9G. For example the M340 tests at Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g
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"F**face"? Why you gotta talk like that? U mad?
And to get the IS350 with the same features that are standard on the Type S will require the F-sport package 3. So it's hard to image an IS500 being "the same" cost as the Type S unless it's completely stripped of options.
And to get the IS350 with the same features that are standard on the Type S will require the F-sport package 3. So it's hard to image an IS500 being "the same" cost as the Type S unless it's completely stripped of options.
I'd be thrilled if the IS500 started "stripped out" rather than starting with a high starting price for extras as standard. If you want it, pay for it. Don't penalize people who couldn't care less about those features and want the car primarily for the driving experience far and away over anything else. My goddamn panoramic sunroof cover on my RDX stays closed, my infotainment screen is off and 99% of the time, auto stop/start/crash mitigation/traction control all get turned off while the infotainment boots up ... I'm getting in the car and driving it without doing anything else. I often find myself using the mirrors still over the rearview camera as well unless I'm getting real close to a wall/barrier.
That's just me tho ... I must be a caveman. All I need is heat/AC, decent comfort, decent power and as I get older, I prefer cars that go down the road quietly. An (imaginary) ES500 F-Sport would be my dream car, lol.
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True, but I couldn't care less about the options. If Lexus can get close to that sticker with the "stripped out" model, I'd be more than ok with it. What else do you need? Nav? Who the Hell uses car navs? Surround View Camera? I know people crave it here, but I have cars with NO cameras and have no problems parking them ... and I see people with this tech who take forever getting into and out of parking spots. Mark Levinson Audio .... the one I spec'd had it, but I couldn't care less if the car came with a single speaker made by Radio Shack. I rarely listen to anything but the occasional podcast anymore, nor am I an audiophile.
I'd be thrilled if the IS500 started "stripped out" rather than starting with a high starting price for extras as standard. If you want it, pay for it. Don't penalize people who couldn't care less about those features and want the car primarily for the driving experience far and away over anything else. My goddamn panoramic sunroof cover on my RDX stays closed, my infotainment screen is off and 99% of the time, auto stop/start/crash mitigation/traction control all get turned off while the infotainment boots up ... I'm getting in the car and driving it without doing anything else. I often find myself using the mirrors still over the rearview camera as well unless I'm getting real close to a wall/barrier.
That's just me tho ... I must be a caveman. All I need is heat/AC, decent comfort, decent power and as I get older, I prefer cars that go down the road quietly. An (imaginary) ES500 F-Sport would be my dream car, lol.
I'd be thrilled if the IS500 started "stripped out" rather than starting with a high starting price for extras as standard. If you want it, pay for it. Don't penalize people who couldn't care less about those features and want the car primarily for the driving experience far and away over anything else. My goddamn panoramic sunroof cover on my RDX stays closed, my infotainment screen is off and 99% of the time, auto stop/start/crash mitigation/traction control all get turned off while the infotainment boots up ... I'm getting in the car and driving it without doing anything else. I often find myself using the mirrors still over the rearview camera as well unless I'm getting real close to a wall/barrier.
That's just me tho ... I must be a caveman. All I need is heat/AC, decent comfort, decent power and as I get older, I prefer cars that go down the road quietly. An (imaginary) ES500 F-Sport would be my dream car, lol.
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Its a floating number & you can do well without a broker if you are prepared to walk out on a deal.. What the guys see here is the lease numbers on the configurator with $2500 down at MSRP. This ignores dealer & BMW discounts + incentives & other freebies like PCD which are usually very attractive. My Z4 with the $2500 out of pocket + tags etc - incentives & reduced interest rate is over $650 & under $700 36 months @ 10,000 MPY MSRP $73,000.