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09-25-2020 | 04:59 PM
#41
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While I don't doubt that a lot of people are extending beyond what would be financially prudent when buying a car, using something like average price of a new car is a bit unrealistic. Consider that people on the poorer side of the spectrum are going to be more likely to by a used car rather than a new car. Hence, the richer side actually gets over-represented since they buy a disproportionate number of the new cars. Put it in a different way, if we were in a big ol' depression where average wages dropped like a rock, the average price of a new car would paradoxically increase, not because people are buying more expensive cars, but because most people won't be buying cheaper new cars that drag that average down.
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09-25-2020 | 05:02 PM
#42
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This allowed me to save and buy my TL in cash from a dealer auction. Won the auction for $15,100 Canadian dollars. Little did I know it must have gone to auction because it burnt tons of oil. How lucky I am that Acura decided to rebuild the engine for free. Which allowed me to save for the down payment on my house.
Yes, I have also received 3 Goodwill-Repairs from Honda (worth thousands in savings). That's one of the reasons why I really wanted to stick with Acura (and one of the reasons why we bought the 2014-MDX in the first place).
However, I feel like now we are gradually moving on to Audi.
09-25-2020 | 05:03 PM
#43
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Really? That's cool.
Yes, I have also received 3 Goodwill-Repairs from Honda (worth thousands in savings). That's one of the reasons why I really wanted to stick with Acura (and one of the reasons why we bought the 2014-MDX in the first place).
However, I feel like now we are gradually moving on to Audi.
Yes, I have also received 3 Goodwill-Repairs from Honda (worth thousands in savings). That's one of the reasons why I really wanted to stick with Acura (and one of the reasons why we bought the 2014-MDX in the first place).
However, I feel like now we are gradually moving on to Audi.
09-25-2020 | 05:19 PM
#45
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But you in particular know how badly I wanted to stay with Acura.
As far as Audi, I kinda just fell-into it. If Acura would have been offering a 5-seater RDX-Advance-PHEV, there is a good chance we would have bought that instead. And likely even buy a 2020/2021-TLX (despite it's short-comings).
09-25-2020 | 07:46 PM
#46
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My dealer here in North Jersey (Ramsey Acura) has a 2021 TLX Aspec on their lot in blue. Check out their website, there are many pics of the car. I think its a very sharp looking car, except for the exhaust tips. But at $48,000 I'm NOT a buyer, factor in nearly 7% NJ State tax, dealer prep etc. that's over $50,000. Not to mention insurance will go up.
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09-25-2020 | 09:31 PM
#47
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I think you may mean the 4th gen TL. The 3rd gen from '04 - '08 has always been considered one of Acura's best styled vehicles.
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09-25-2020 | 10:09 PM
#48
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You are correct, I should have said 4th gen TL. I liked the 3rd gen TL a lot. Acura's total sales peaked in 2005, led by the 3rd gen TL, with strong sales also from the 1st gen TSX.
09-26-2020 | 01:40 AM
#49
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Goes to show these cars truly are targeted at older people who can afford them. Thats why they don't really care how fast the 2.0t is. Or of course younger people who are bad with money and only see the 'affordable' monthly payment.
At 18 I was given my grandfathers 1994 buick regal. Drove that car for 10 years and sold it for $1800 in 2017. Ive seen its new owners driving it around as recently as a year ago. Goes to show what a reliable car it actually was. (although it did break down on me a number of times)
This allowed me to save and buy my TL in cash from a dealer auction. Won the auction for $15,100 Canadian dollars. Little did I know it must have gone to auction because it burnt tons of oil. How lucky I am that Acura decided to rebuild the engine for free. Which allowed me to save for the down payment on my house.
Big things almost always have small beginnings. I owe a lot to that 1994 buick regal.
At 18 I was given my grandfathers 1994 buick regal. Drove that car for 10 years and sold it for $1800 in 2017. Ive seen its new owners driving it around as recently as a year ago. Goes to show what a reliable car it actually was. (although it did break down on me a number of times)
This allowed me to save and buy my TL in cash from a dealer auction. Won the auction for $15,100 Canadian dollars. Little did I know it must have gone to auction because it burnt tons of oil. How lucky I am that Acura decided to rebuild the engine for free. Which allowed me to save for the down payment on my house.
Big things almost always have small beginnings. I owe a lot to that 1994 buick regal.
Wow free engine rebuild even after the warranty?? That's pretty amazing.
09-26-2020 | 09:24 AM
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Here's the back of my a 2021 TLX A-Spec that I text drove today. I love the power of the new turbocharged engine. Feels like my 4G with all the power and the torque is there when I need it. I definitely love that the front end isn't heavy as my 4G is around corners.
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09-26-2020 | 09:32 AM
#51
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Would love to hear more details about your test drive.
09-26-2020 | 10:03 AM
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The new TLX interior wise is a big upgrade over the previous gen. I've driven 2019 TLX Advanced FWD and SH-AWD Technology Packages, I can honestly say this gen TLX is major leaps ahead of them. Gone is the slow to respond ZF 9 Speed transmission. The 10 speed in the new TLX feels connected and shifts just as fast as my 6 speed auto which is a compliment. The power is always there and you can launch this car easily without hesitation from the weight of the engine like I felt in my 4G TL. Dealer offered me 9k for my 2013 Acura TL FWD Technology Package even with 1 accident on its carfax from the previous owner who leased it.
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09-26-2020 | 10:05 AM
#53
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Acura put out an extended warranty for all 3.7 engines for excessive oil consumption. For a 6 month period they fixed all 3.7 engines that failed their oil consumption test. After those 6 months there were age and milage restrictions. I got new pistons, rings, spark plugs, timing belt etc for free. Some people also got new cam shafts. Felt like a new engine when I got it back, was given a 2019 sh-awd aspec tlx loaner while they did the work. Much respect to Acura for fixing their mistake the right way.
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09-26-2020 | 08:47 PM
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While I don't doubt that a lot of people are extending beyond what would be financially prudent when buying a car, using something like average price of a new car is a bit unrealistic. Consider that people on the poorer side of the spectrum are going to be more likely to by a used car rather than a new car. Hence, the richer side actually gets over-represented since they buy a disproportionate number of the new cars. Put it in a different way, if we were in a big ol' depression where average wages dropped like a rock, the average price of a new car would paradoxically increase, not because people are buying more expensive cars, but because most people won't be buying cheaper new cars that drag that average down.
You contradicted yourself. First you said that people "on the poorer side" are buying used cars. Then you said that people won't be buying cheaper new cars if there is a depression.
Recessions actually hit middle and upper middle class badly because that's the easiest way for companies to cut significant costs. If it's a deep depression it really won't matter what happens to the average price of new cars sold. Car companies are geared to volume. Porsche may not care but parent compamy VAG will be in a world of pain. You know the old saying, the hole is not in my end of the ship!
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09-26-2020 | 09:58 PM
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You contradicted yourself. First you said that people "on the poorer side" are buying used cars. Then you said that people won't be buying cheaper new cars if there is a depression.
Recessions actually hit middle and upper middle class badly because that's the easiest way for companies to cut significant costs. If it's a deep depression it really won't matter what happens to the average price of new cars sold. Car companies are geared to volume. Porsche may not care but parent compamy VAG will be in a world of pain. You know the old saying, the hole is not in my end of the ship!
You contradicted yourself. First you said that people "on the poorer side" are buying used cars. Then you said that people won't be buying cheaper new cars if there is a depression.
Recessions actually hit middle and upper middle class badly because that's the easiest way for companies to cut significant costs. If it's a deep depression it really won't matter what happens to the average price of new cars sold. Car companies are geared to volume. Porsche may not care but parent compamy VAG will be in a world of pain. You know the old saying, the hole is not in my end of the ship!
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09-26-2020 | 10:10 PM
#59
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09-27-2020 | 05:04 AM
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09-27-2020 | 08:32 AM
#61
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I agree, if you change the fluid regularly in the 6at then it shifts quickly. It also behaves really well. Always downshifts and up shifts when it should. It is especially good at knowing when to downshift and Rev out for more acceleration.
09-27-2020 | 09:23 AM
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They used the 2020 Acura RDX A-Spec for pricing just to give me an estimate. Plus the 9K they wanted to give me for my 4G TL.
09-27-2020 | 11:22 AM
#63
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I don't know about you but my 6 speed in the TL is well maintained and shifts really fast to the point you think you're driving a CVT. What I meant is the way the engine and transmission worked together was amazing. It's not clunky and doesn't get confused in gears like the old ZF 9 Speed. It's shifts quickly and smooth for a 10 speed. Also what's the issue with having the FWD TL? With proper tires the car can grip around corners with ease. Like I stated the new TLX is impressive and leaps ahead of the previous gen.
FWD is not an issue, but handling is nothing compared to SH-AWD and it feels front heavy. Weight distribution is more front bias.
09-27-2020 | 12:03 PM
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I am sorry but 6AT speed transmission is not fast shifting by its design. I am not saying that 6 speed is a bad trans. It is smooth, programming is not bad, but it is not fast. For comparison ancient Infiniti 7AT have much faster lockup speeds.
FWD is not an issue, but handling is nothing compared to SH-AWD and it feels front heavy. Weight distribution is more front bias.
FWD is not an issue, but handling is nothing compared to SH-AWD and it feels front heavy. Weight distribution is more front bias.
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