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*Selling price in the high $50's CAD (includes freight, PDI, levies and fees)
Looks like a different set of rims than in the release - were these the optional ones?
Wish they had the Red Leather available in the Apex Blue Pearl
I simply cannot understand why folks continue to want to make the Type S into the ultimate Acura sedan. If you haven’t noticed by now the Type S is an Aspec with the adaptive suspension, bremo brakes, better wheels, and a 6 cylinder engine. It now looks like this will cost the buyer about $52k. If the spec sheet doesn’t provide you enough for your spend go buy a friggin BMW/Audi and quit complaining because Acura didn’t make the car you wanted. As we hear here ad nauseam there are other manufacturers that will give you exactly what you want.
If that price is in CAD, that would mean around $45-47K USD, which is about $10K less than most people were expecting. If that were the case, I think many people would definitely overlook some of the deficiencies.
That said, $45K USD is probably a pipe dream because that's marginally more than a regular A-Spec model. If the high 50's is in USD, then this car is going to be DOA unless Acura far exceeds even the loftiest of expectations.
Below is the full detail with disclaimers from the website - Selling Price in the high $50,000s*
*Selling Price includes freight, PDI, levies & fees. Applicable taxes, license and registration are extra. Exact pricing is not yet confirmed and may be lower, but will not exceed this amount.
Color combo's in first picture, pricing in 2nd and some features in 3rd pic.
Wish they would have the option of all black interior for the TLX-S vs the red/black on all models such as on white or black. Or adding an Ivory/Black interior like on the 3G Type-S.
Looks like they are using the lightweight wheels from NSX/CT-R for performance improvement. 18" brembo disks seems like a typo to me. That would me HUGE front brakes... Bently Bentayga SUV has 440mm (17.3 in.) brake rotors/ 10 pistons calipers on the front with 21"s for the wheels. Given that 20" might be standard, maybe they are giving us big honking brakes..:
Ikeda has a touch for Acura nostalgia. The new wheel design appears to be a riff on the original Type S wheels. I noticed the other day that the Aspec interior metallic trim pieces have a very similar pattern to what was used in the 2004 to 2008 TL. With that in mind I think the Type S price will be less than a lot of you are estimating. Wouldn’t be like Ikeda or Acura to bump the price up by $10k. I’ve been targeting $53.5.k based on the Advance pricing. Now I’m thinking $52k using the SHAWD Aspec as the base pricing. My take is that’s why it’s missing so many of the Advance features.
*Selling price in the high $50's CAD (includes freight, PDI, levies and fees)
Looks like a different set of rims than in the release - were these the optional ones?
Wish they had the Red Leather available in the Apex Blue Pearl
That means it will be quite similar to the selling price of the Platinum Elite trim (or Advance in the US)! WOW! To me, that will be a no brainer as to which I will go with.... :-)
BTW, I like the rims with the multiple spokes in the video so much better....
Below is the full detail with disclaimers from the website - Selling Price in the high $50,000s*
*Selling Price includes freight, PDI, levies & fees. Applicable taxes, license and registration are extra. Exact pricing is not yet confirmed and may be lower, but will not exceed this amount.
Only 5-7k more compared to Aspec and Elite. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I hope they didn't cap it purposefully knowing the performance is not there. Once hitting 60k CAD, it seems to become no-no territory for Acura sedans. It would explain why options are missing, not for weight but cash.
Dealers on the other hand will for sure milk it for a week or two or months
Last edited by pyrodan007; 02-16-2021 at 10:13 PM.
Only 5-7k more compared to Aspec and Elite. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I hope they didn't cap it purposefully knowing the performance is not there. Once hitting 60k CAD, it seems to become no-no territory for Acura sedans. It would explain why options are missing, not for weight but cash.
Dealers on the other hand will for sure milk it for a week or two or months
TIL the Elite trim is about $6K USD cheaper than the Advance trim here. I guess if that holds up, the US model is looking to be right around $52K.
If that price is in CAD, that would mean around $45-47K USD, which is about $10K less than most people were expecting. If that were the case, I think many people would definitely overlook some of the deficiencies.
That said, $45K USD is probably a pipe dream because that's marginally more than a regular A-Spec model. If the high 50's is in USD, then this car is going to be DOA unless Acura far exceeds even the loftiest of expectations.
You can't go direct CAD to USD conversion, unfortunately. Canadians tend to get a better deal on Acura MSRP's vs the actual USD-CAD exchange rate. But what you can do is compare that MSRP to other Acura models in Canada. The TLX Type S in Canada will cost "high $50's" CAD. For reference, the Canadian MDX Tech SH-AWD is right at $60,405 CAD. The American MDX Tech SH-AWD is $54,100 USD.
So it's safe to say the TLX Type S in the US will cost just under $54k USD.
June definitely better for showing it off in the NE US.
Interestingly, the original website and tweet said "June 2021", but a few hours later Acura deleted the tweet and re-tweeted with it now saying "Spring 2021", and the website also now says "Spring 2021" instead.
*Selling price in the high $50's CAD (includes freight, PDI, levies and fees)
Looks like a different set of rims than in the release - were these the optional ones?
Wish they had the Red Leather available in the Apex Blue Pearl
If the price would be high $50K CAD, then Acura will sell more Type S than A-SPEC lol!
A-SPEC is at $52K and Advanced at $55K in Canada. If Type S is priced at $58K (let's say). This is significantly underpriced compared to German rivals and $5K compared to Q50 RedSport, which has more HP but outdated as F**K! Hope Acura is smart and kept the price competitive.
If the price would be high $50K CAD, then Acura will sell more Type S than A-SPEC lol!
A-SPEC is at $52K and Advanced at $55K in Canada. If Type S is priced at $58K (let's say). This is significantly underpriced compared to German rivals and $5K compared to Q50 RedSport, which has more HP but outdated as F**K! Hope Acura is smart and kept the price competitive.
"Selling Price in the high $50,000s*"
That to me means ~57-59k CAD. A-Spec will sell just fine as it will enjoy far more discounts than the Type S. We will know what actual Type S sale prices are from TrueCar eventually.
I do not like the look of red leather, like at all. My exterior preference would be white. Havent seen the modern steel in person but I really like it in pictures so its an option as well. My third choice would be black. None of those are available with anything but red leather, doesnt make any sense to me.
Way to go Acura. As the torchbearer for Type-S lineup, this car needs to be a success in sales. Since Acura cannot compete head-to-head with competitors in the higher-end segment, why not play the value card full on to make a splash, then have a fully-equipped option down the road.
Way to go Acura. As the torchbearer for Type-S lineup, this car needs to be a success in sales. Since Acura cannot compete head-to-head with competitors in the higher-end segment, why not play the value card full on to make a splash, then have a fully-equipped option down the road.
if Acura sticks to this price ~57-58K CAD. It will be really great for the brand.
Way to go Acura. As the torchbearer for Type-S lineup, this car needs to be a success in sales. Since Acura cannot compete head-to-head with competitors in the higher-end segment, why not play the value card full on to make a splash, then have a fully-equipped option down the road.
I wouldnt put it past them to do something like that after year three when they usually do a MMC of some sort.
I wouldnt put it past them to do something like that after year three when they usually do a MMC of some sort.
Love it in one place you say this:
Originally Posted by Nexx
omg someone who doesn’t judge a car solely by it’s 0-60 times. What an idiot!! We should all be living a quarter mile at a time!!
Then in this thread you say they might just string the fans alone for another 3 years or so, that would be how many since total?
BTW: Exactly what improvements to you anticipate at MMC - more power? - Quicker 0-60? - Better 1/4 mile numbers? - nicer leather? better entertainment system?
So what does it need to be a 'full value car', add in the features they took out that cars in the rest of the lineup have?
Then in this thread you say they might just string the fans alone for another 3 years or so, that would be how many since total?
BTW: Exactly what improvements to you anticipate at MMC - more power? - Quicker 0-60? - Better 1/4 mile numbers? - nicer leather? better entertainment system?
So what does it need to be a 'full value car', add in the features they took out that cars in the rest of the lineup have?
I was simply stating that they might add more features after three years for the MMC. nothing about performance. READ THE FRIGGIN POSTS!!!! trying hard not to name call lol.
I simply cannot understand why folks continue to want to make the Type S into the ultimate Acura sedan. If you haven’t noticed by now the Type S is an Aspec with the adaptive suspension, bremo brakes, better wheels, and a 6 cylinder engine. It now looks like this will cost the buyer about $52k. If the spec sheet doesn’t provide you enough for your spend go buy a friggin BMW/Audi and quit complaining because Acura didn’t make the car you wanted. As we hear here ad nauseam there are other manufacturers that will give you exactly what you want.
If that price is in CAD, that would mean around $45-47K USD, which is about $10K less than most people were expecting. If that were the case, I think many people would definitely overlook some of the deficiencies.
That said, $45K USD is probably a pipe dream because that's marginally more than a regular A-Spec model. If the high 50's is in USD, then this car is going to be DOA unless Acura far exceeds even the loftiest of expectations.
only way it does well in upper 50’s is to have the features removed from the Advance and put that new MDX LCD gauges. If they did that I might get interested. Drove a Mustang Mach E today and holy crap the torque off the line was amazing. The GT Mach E should be a blast to drive.
BTW: Exactly what improvements to you anticipate at MMC - more power? - Quicker 0-60? - Better 1/4 mile numbers? - nicer leather? better entertainment system?
So what does it need to be a 'full value car', add in the features they took out that cars in the rest of the lineup have?
Honda/Acura has been very reluctant to put out force-induction engines, until now. This is why we have never seen any significant jump in output hp for Honda/Acura vehicles. Naturally aspirated engines are very difficult to extract more hp, unless there is a breakthrough in engine technology which there isn't. Honda/Acura had to resort to use hybrid motors to add more hp to its naturally aspirated engine vehicles for performance.
But now, the Genie is out of the bottle.
I also expect more engine output at the next MMC release and even all future major releases, because adding more hp to force-induction engines is a very trivial task - bigger turbo, higher boost, higher pressure wastegate, air/fuel ratio remapping, etc, etc. The potential for tuning more hp is virtually endless.
Honda/Acura has been very reluctant to put out force-induction engines, until now. This is why we have never seen any significant jump in output hp for Honda/Acura vehicles. Naturally aspirated engines are very difficult to extract more hp, unless there is a breakthrough in engine technology which there isn't. Honda/Acura had to resort to use hybrid motors to add more hp to its naturally aspirated engine vehicles for performance.
But now, the Genie is out of the bottle.
I also expect more engine output at the next MMC release and even all future major releases, because adding more hp to force-induction engines is a very trivial task - bigger turbo, higher boost, higher pressure wastegate, air/fuel ratio remapping, etc, etc. The potential for tuning more hp is virtually endless.
Tell me about turbo tuning, been involved with it since 2011 both as a user & beta tester. From a marketing point of view with a mass market car selling maybe 2000 units a month why wouldn't you lead with your best shot to jump start it?
Another brand got into the turbo business in the 2007 MY. C&D said this about the tests:
C&D road test "to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, with essentially no turbo lag" "13.5 seconds at 106 mph"
The 2011 MY in the C&D road test said "Zero to 60 mph: 4.5" "Standing ¼-mile: 13.2" at 108mph"
Based on a lot of the guestimates listed here the 2021 Type S may have a hard time besting turbo 6 cylinder cars that were introduced 14 & 10 years ago.
With all do respect Acura has the correct DOHC engine size, maybe not the best configuration, to make a lot of power with as you say increasing the boost. Why not go all out & match the brands they seem to want to compete against? They did it successfully with the N/A 2004 TL.
Infact they had more power than their rivals back then. My TL had 33 more BHP than my performance model also 6MT of another brand that it competed against in C&D multicar tests & sales.
As for turbo experience Honda has been making factory motorsports turbo engines since the late 1970's. Now is not the time IMHO to go in soft. If you benchmarked specific cars & told the world about it to keep Type-S hopes alive why not deliver benchmark beaters?
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 02-17-2021 at 11:18 PM.
As for turbo experience Honda has been making factory motorsports turbo engines since the late 1970's. Now is not the time IMHO to go in soft. If you benchmarked specific cars & told the world about it to keep Type-S hopes alive why not deliver benchmark beaters?
Like I said before, give Honda more time.
It is true that experience in motorsport racing can very well be using in mass production vehicles, but building a reliable turbo engine, that has to last tens of thousands of miles, for mass production vehicles is a different ballgame than building a motorsport racing turbo, that has to be torn down and rebuilt after every race weekend.
The Honda Twin-Scroll single turbo V6 is brand new to the market. Honda is a small and very conservative auto maker. So it is not in Honda's blood to go all out with the iteration one of an unproven engine product, which if failed may threaten the auto company's foothold in the auto market.
Reliability and aggressive power output don't mix. So the number one priority for Honda right now is the reliability of this new turbo engine. Once the reliability factor is secured, then Honda can move on to boost output engine power. This is the exact same strategy that most motorsport engine suppliers employ in motorsport racing. First reliability, then output power; because even if your race car's engine has, say 100 more hp than your competitors, you still won't score any championship point if your 'superior' engine cannot last through the entire race.
The Honda benchmark beater may come, but likely in future iterations of the proven turbo-V6 on possibly Type-R vehicles.
I really wish Acura improves downshifts of 10AT for Type S applications, many reviewers mention that 10AT upshifts are good but downshifts are pretty average. Also wishlist is they tweak SHAWD software to send power to rear on more occasions compared to regular SHAWD to give it more neutral handling in regular driving situations. V6T will have peak power around 1600 RPM, so vehicle should feel neutral in power off driving situations also.
I strongly believe that above fixes will help more to driving feel than say bumping power from 355 to 375.
I really wish Acura improves downshifts of 10AT for Type S applications, many reviewers mention that 10AT upshifts are good but downshifts are pretty average. Also wishlist is they tweak SHAWD software to send power to rear on more occasions compared to regular SHAWD to give it more neutral handling in regular driving situations. V6T will have peak power around 1600 RPM, so vehicle should feel neutral in power off driving situations also.
I strongly believe that above fixes will help more to driving feel than say bumping power from 355 to 375.
Instead of beefing up the 10sp, they should have kept the 8DCT and reengineered it to be a performance tranny just for Acura. Or use the 9DCT in the NSX and use that as a basis for Type-S duties. Investing money in the 10sp doesn't really pay off for Acura, it's only to serve moving the V6T to Honda, that's why. Having so many tranny configurations for 5 vehicles doesn't really favor the efficiency scale, which is the reason why features sucks per trim.
I agree why your reasoning though, the tranny could be the negative factor for the Type-S line. Smoothness is one thing, but responsiveness becomes important in the Type-S' tier. Having the tranny become the V6T's bottleneck wastes the money invested in the new engine.
Last edited by pyrodan007; 02-18-2021 at 11:28 AM.
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