jjsC5

Considering Lincoln no longer makes cars, and the Q50 is ancient, that better not be their competition.

bilirubin

I guess this thread is now replacing the "2021 Acura TLX vs The Competition" thread, so here's a quick re-post...

Legend2TL

3 out the 4 cars in that test comparison were using optional summer grippy tires which is one of the largest factors in braking and skidpad which showed in their best 3 test results.
Only the Volvo had A/S tires like the TLX had in it's C&D test so it's not a fair comparison, comparing the standard A/S tires for the three would have been a fair comparison, once optional summer tires are put on then there's advantage for handling and braking.

SebringSilver

Nobody put a gun to Acura’s head to force them to spec such lousy tires. You reap what you sow. And why should the buyer have to fork out another $2,000 or so just to have decent tires?

fiatlux

It's not like Acura marketed this as a performance-oriented car, so more comfortable and economical all-seasons makes more sense.

Oh wait...

SebringSilver

Even if they wanted to go with all-season tires, there are much better ones available. SMH

jhb31

There are quite a few of those people. Former owners that just can't move on. Once I move to another car brand I move on and leave the old behind.

Honda430

There’s a lot of smoldering resentment from folks who purchased 2015-2017 TLX’s. Many of those people simply can’t move on. They’re attempting to get revenge by dumping manure on the TLX-2 regardless of what reviewers and owners are saying about the car. They feel Acura wronged them and they will never forget it.

Yumcha

Is there? I can't say if that's indeed the general sentiment. There are a number of people here who remain loyal Acura/Honda enthusiasts, some new ones (i.e. new owners), and of course, some who left and decided to purchase another make/model. Speaking from my perspective, there were some qualities and aspects I wanted in a new vehicle and if Acura/Honda had it, I would gladly still be an owner of their vehicles. However, that's not the case and of course, it's their prerogative and so, it's mine too to elect to purchase something else.

I wouldn't call that bitterness/resentment.

The NSX, Civic Type R are some cars I really admire and would dump money into if I had the fiscal means now.

BEAR-AvHistory

Two words or maybe more Sports Sedans should have good tires since its the only place the car touches the road. So what's the plan, buy the car, call Tire Rack & order $1200 worth of new Michlen tires. The A/S tires on the base StingRay C8's are standard Michelin A/S RFT with 1.00 g of grip, three-season & run flat capability.

If its not a Sports Sedan then I agree, sort of, as personally I would never buy a car with crappy tires no matter what its use.

jhb31

There is some of that for sure but hopefully they buy something better for them and can go onto the audi/bmw/kia or whatever forum and interact there. Why continue to linger on the Acura forum if you are so down on the brand? Perhaps it's because they are not that happy with what they bought and it prevents them from moving forward? Seems really odd in general. Not sure I will buy a gen 2 but when I move on from the TLX/Acura fairly certain I will not need to come back here for months or years to bash the brand.

Not saying that you can't be critical but if someone finds the model so utterly terrible then why spend time on this forum?

Legend2TL

I don't think you understood what I wrote, the 3 out of 4 cars in the C&D test had OPTIONAL summer tires, AFAIK the standard tires on those three are A/S.
So to compare them properly and get some decent comparisons use the standard tire.
The TLX comes with Michelin Primacy A/S, which are so new there are no review of them on TireRack, but at $271/tire and being Michelin I somehow doubt they're lousy tires, just their standard low rolling resistance OEM A/S.

That was my simple point, when comparing cars they should have their standard tires, not upgraded summer tires on one comparing to A/S on others.

fiatlux

I believe the vast majority of mods here no longer own Acuras either. If this forum was only frequented by current Acura owners, it wouldn't even be 1/10th of what it is today.

BEAR-AvHistory

Doubt you will ever see that. These tests are always "run what you brung" That the TLX does not have optional summer tires available for any price like my TL had is a Acura decision. The consumer has no choice but go into the open market if they want summers. The summers were dropped from the TL product sometime in the TL4G cycle IIRC

What I was thinking is the BMW gives you a choice of which tire you want, no difference in price. Pirelli P Zero All Season 235/40R-19 96V M+S VOL on the Volvo still turned in 0.92G but was closer to the TLX in stopping.

Other thing is if the Michelins on the TLX are accepted as good a tire as the Volvos all season Pirelli then I don't think a change to summers it going to raise the car 7/8 points to match the other cars on handling. The Corvette is running 1.00G on A/S tires also by Michlen.

SebringSilver

I still lurk on this site because I still own a 2019 RDX A-spec. I’ve also owned 10 Acuras in total including two NSXes and three 1G TLXes. So I’m guessing those comments above claiming that people who don’t gush about the 2G TLX aren’t even Acura owners doesn’t apply to me?

Carnage719

That's a sad comment on the state of the forum that the post traffic is mainly from non-owners.

fiatlux

Well, it's not exactly like Acura has done a terrific job attracting enthusiasts over the past decade, and by and large people who care enough to talk cars on forums are enthusiasts. The 3G subforum was on fire 15 years ago; the current 1G and 2G TLX forums are comparatively a ghost town.

Yumcha

I'd have to check the numbers on that. There's been an injection of new blood to the moderation crew and from my recollection, most of them still drive Hondas/Acuras.

That being said, I suppose the OG group...well, sure...many of us have moved on from owning Acuras but stick around because of friendships and etc.

Legend2TL

yep, no more Acura summer tires probably because they were so infrequently ordered by customers. Those three sport sedans with the summer tires in the C&D test? I'd bet my gains from NFLX the past year the majority of buyers don't get them for the US and especially the Canadian markets. In terms of comparing the Pirelli P Zero All Season to the Michelin Primacy A/S, there's no review at Tirerack so have to wait but C&D did say this about the TLX's tires As for the C8, it's a purpose built mid-engine sports car with a highly tuned suspension, so the fact that it's getting 1.00g on the Michelins is not that surprising considering that was partly due to the chassis as well.

https://carlifenation.com/seriously-...weather-tires/

As for the TLX, curious what OEM tires Acura will use for the Type-S. Perhaps something to complement the suspension and chassis.

izzle22

“Don’t gush” and constantly slamming a car they haven’t driven or don’t own is a far stretch. My point was people who don’t even own ACURAS(so no it wouldn’t apply to you) coming to an Acura forum to bash a car is just perplexing to me. It’s a free country for the time being so anyone can do what they want. Just strange to me. That’s all. No need to be a smartass about it...

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

You're fairly new around here and haven't spent enough time out of where you normally post. As I stated before, many that are members here are no longer Acura owners. However, over the year(s) of being members here, many find Acurazine to be one of the best enthusiast site. There's way more to Acurazine than just Acura's.. I've made some of the best friends on this forum to be honest with you. I still own my Acura since 2006.. However, in the last 10 years I've owned different brands. Doesn't change my character regardless of what I drive. Many OG's are still active here for many reasons. The truth is, there are probably less Acura owners vs non Acura owners here, not 100% sure but almost certain. The back and forth in all these TLX threads is becoming childish and antagonistic. Simply put, if all views can't be respected, simply move on and remove yourself from these conversations. I personally wish the moderators would step in and put several members on a short time out.

jhb31

I post generally on the threads that are of interest to me either because I have owned the car, own the car or am thinking of buying the car in the thread topic.Everyone has their own reasons for posting. I have had a couple bmw's. One great, the second one bought brand new and it was a steaming pile of s&*t. My point is don't post on bmw forum's as I don't really have anything good to say on the brand and when I got rid of the car I let it go. With some of the trashing on here I can see why newer Acura owners may be hesitant to bother joining. This is not meant to be directed though at you or your posts. Just responding back.

Yumcha

Prime example member here who remains loyal and loves the brand still.

And @ the 2 NSXs...

BEAR-AvHistory

BMWUSA & BMWCANADA are not related & spec their cars to their national requirements.

Could not find a direct A/S 330/TLX compare but these where from the same test group. The 225 square is pretty skinny that they mounted on the skinny to match the Kia Stinger

Did not see a TLX/330 head to head this comment was made "It pains me to say this about a car I otherwise liked so much, but this TLX's behavior as a sports sedan just doesn't cut it." They did not post a number

The 330 was tested on 225-width Bridgestone Turanza all-season run-flats on the BMW with 0.92 g in a fast 180-degree corner. Tires were installed to match the tires on the Kia Stinger. The Stinger turned in better numbers.

Even the buy through Amazon spec for the 330 has performance tires listed.


Agree the S-type will have better tires & perform better. That said the 330 2.0L T running summers out handles the M340 on the G rating 0.99 to 0.96 & would give my 1.02 a run for the money. The M340 comes with a no charge choice on the 18" or a no charge tire choice on the optional 19" wheels.

FWIW just about everybody on the BMW site that lives up north has two sets of tires & wheels, Summer & Snow. Those that don't usually run a second car in the winter or garage the car.

BEAR-AvHistory

What is the point if all you get is happy talk? Think a site should present all views to give you a better feel for how the car is in the real non YouTube/Magazine world.. Locally there are only a few mega dealers & they all sell pretty much anything that is available. Nice to be able to bring the car in for its annual state inspection, free service & try out other brands while you wait or take home for a loaner.

SebringSilver

Its true. I have always been a huge fan of Acura and I was really looking forward to the release of the 2G TLX. I should know better, but I really did believe they were going to get it right this time, and I even believed the sales manager back in the summer when he said it’s likely they’ll revert to having an Elite A-spec again (like the 2018 TLX A-spec Elite I had), because I was rather disappointed that my RDX didn’t have quite the right combo of options.

But the way Acura ended up screwing up the launch and their refusal to allow customers to spec the car the way they want (yet again) just pushed me and I suspect many others here over the edge. People don’t get annoyed about something unless they’re heavily invested. I hope I haven’t bought my last Acura, but there needs to be a change in leadership at the brand.

Tesla1856

1. Same here. Other than the people who actually bought one, I tried as hard as anyone to really like it (like it enough to buy it).

2. I noticed that also. It's like they hold-back creature-comforts on the RDX ... but we just wanted a smaller/5-seater version of our old (larger) MDX. That's how we ended-up with our first Audi.

steve_97060

good points, and they have been brought up before over the years. Criticism is fine and should be expected where warranted, it's just that there are several posters who are easily recognizable to anyone who has been here on the TLX forum for any length of time that you can tell instantly what their comments will be like, negative. every. time. ad infinitum.

guessing they are glass half empty types, who are reeeaaaaalll fun at parties, and anywhere else..

Tony Pac

Unfortunately you’re right but this is Acurazine. There are some great people here and I truly enjoy reading their comments. They are so knowledgeable and helpful. But at the same time, we have members here to just bash Acura. Once you spend A bit of time here, you will know who those people are and just ignore it skip their messages.

Tony Pac

very well said!

Legend2TL

To each his own, my brother has owned 5 BMW's in NYC and never had a spare set of winter wheel/tires and most BMW owners I know do the same. Kinda a hassle to swap out the tires as well as store them.
The people I know who do use summer tires, it's their second car and drive them in incremental weather including rain.

jhb31

Not the point at all. Criticism is fine and I have done my share. No car is perfect, some closer than others, but if almost everything you post is negative and you then go to reference how much better brand x,y or z is then all you get is "unhappy talk" then what is that point? You're point goes both ways.

Legend2TL

Forgot to add one more thing, my brother lives in South Beach and San Juan now so he only uses summer tires year round

BEAR-AvHistory

Works in NC also. Don't think I would have snows in NYC either. Commuted for over 20 years from Spring Lake on the Jersey Shore to NYC with a big block Stingray on GoodYear GT Radials.

Does snow every once & a while here but it melts pretty quickly. They slurry the streets before the storm but there is no real snow removal capability in Raleigh. More difficult problem is rather than snow we can get ice storms & nothing moves.



I think NC has more pickups than cars & of the 12 houses in my subdivision 7 also have pickup trucks in addition to their cars or SUV's. My 4X4 runs mud & snow all year round.

Tony Pac

That’s the issue. Criticism and being negative in every single post are very different things. Here people pass it as “I am enthusiast, and I know about cars, 0-60 and digital gauges are the two main factors to purchase a car 🤣”

pyrodan007

I don't understand any of the latest comments. We are clearly comparing the just released TLX to the soon to be released A4. Is the TLX faster or more tech appointed compared to the A4? No. So no matter how much you approve of the youtube/mag reviews, people will still cross shop the competition. And unfortunately for the TLX, it ain't first for performance or tech. And that's a major problem if I'm also losing space versus crossover's of similar size.

florissant

The A4 backseat feeling like being in a limo...you must have the A4L from China.

pyrodan007

And this relates to the thread how? TLX backseat is still small versus size.

Honda430

None the less the A4 looks like an econobox to me. I don’t care how fast it went or how much tech it has I would not be motivated to buy one.

Tony Pac

no it’s A4XL from Korea 🤣