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That is legit impressive. I looked up their 15 year history, last time they got anywhere near 18K a month was March 2005...16 years ago. Nice!
Indeed!
At the end of the day as we say it's all about Product, Product and Product. Acura got a solid lineup now. Just need the ILX replacement and RDX TYPE S for now. Until they bring CDX
If you've been in the CDX, you'll understand why Acura has no intentions of bringing it here as-is. It's cheap cheap cheap. Legitimately feels like the HRV it's based on.
If you've been in the CDX, you'll understand why Acura has no intentions of bringing it here as-is. It's cheap cheap cheap. Legitimately feels like the HRV it's based on.
Totally! I think that's the reason Acura doesn't bring CDX to NA. They don't want to repeat their past mistakes.
I hope they use the name CDX and built it on a new platform. Acura just need a smaller crossover.
Looks like the chip shortage is not affecting Honda/Acura vehicle production much.
I think it's definitely affecting MDX supply. There was a drop in MDX sales last month even when almost all other models saw a gain. Anecdotally, my local dealerships only have Tech models, and I haven't been able to find any A-Spec or Advance models at all.
If you've been in the CDX, you'll understand why Acura has no intentions of bringing it here as-is. It's cheap cheap cheap. Legitimately feels like the HRV it's based on.
CDX is what it is, a cheap gateway car for the Acura brand in that market.
I have sat in the Chinese market XR-V(re-skin HRV) multiple times since my brother in law has one and that interior is beyond awful with ultra cheap metarials and a very noisy cabin.
CDX is what it is, a cheap gateway car for the Acura brand in that market.
I have sat in the Chinese market XR-V(re-skin HRV) multiple times since my brother in law has one and that interior is beyond awful with ultra cheap metarials and a very noisy cabin.
It would be great to make a smaller suv since all the competition has one. I said CDX but it can be anything. As far as it’s not a cheap Honda with Acura name. If Acura makes a smaller RDX would be awesome.
I think it's definitely affecting MDX supply. There was a drop in MDX sales last month even when almost all other models saw a gain. Anecdotally, my local dealerships only have Tech models, and I haven't been able to find any A-Spec or Advance models at all.
Spread out your search. Many dealers have Tech's and A-Specs. The "run" is on Advance models. Those are HARD to find. My dealer has a few of the former,
and ONE of the latter. He said they won't be able to provide enough Adv. models for all those that are asking for it. Buyers are seeing that the Adv...for what you get
at that price point is a great deal compared to others that would cost at least $10K more for the same equipment....and that is now starting to be known. Also, that
the '22 is such a great luxy SUV. Love mine, and I've owned others...but, this one is the best so far.
That "early on" crying about...."too heavy...not enough HP...won't be quick enough, blah, blah, blah. With the new 10 speed calibrated for shorter 1st and 2nd gears...and
quick shifting....uhhhh...it's got the juice. Plenty quick. Sure is quicker than the '19 Adv I traded in...with it's 9 speed. This set up is MUCH better.
CDX is what it is, a cheap gateway car for the Acura brand in that market.
I have sat in the Chinese market XR-V(re-skin HRV) multiple times since my brother in law has one and that interior is beyond awful with ultra cheap metarials and a very noisy cabin.
To be fair, the HRV also has an ultra cheap interior and a very noisy cabin too. But that said, a lot of the made-in-China-for-China GAC and Dongfeng Honda cars are far and away worse than the JDM/USDM/EDM Honda products. The fragmentation doesn't help either; for instance, they also have the X-NV, which itself is a cheaper version of the XR-V which itself is a rebadged version of the HRV which itself is a rebadged verison of the Vezel.
I think it's definitely affecting MDX supply. There was a drop in MDX sales last month even when almost all other models saw a gain. Anecdotally, my local dealerships only have Tech models, and I haven't been able to find any A-Spec or Advance models at all.
Why only the MDX and not other Honda/Acura models ?
Why only the MDX and not other Honda/Acura models ?
My guess is that the MDX uses more chips, and they could build more of the other cars with the same resources. How else can it be explained that there's not many MDXs on the lots, and it's not just because people are buying them up like hotcakes, because sales have actually dropped month over month. The only explanation is that there's a supply issue with it, and everything equal, I'm sure Honda/Acura would rather sell an MDX over any other car because the transaction price and profit is going to be highest on the MDX.
Given how long the ILX has stuck around with its equally cheap interior, perhaps bringing the CDX over (instead of doing a 2nd facelift for the ILX) wouldn't have been so bad. Quality aside, the CDX interior still looked better, it would've sold better given the CUV craze, and wouldn't necessarily tarnish the brand anymore than the ILX already had with its 2-generation old Civic platform. Not to mention available AWD and Sport Hybrid options, thereby eliminating any FWD-only models in their lineup.
Then when the new / proper one is ready, it would be just the right time to retire the old one after serving a typical ~5 year life cycle. But as always, AHM's decisions always make too much sense...
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Given how long the ILX has stuck around with its equally cheap interior, perhaps bringing the CDX over (instead of doing a 2nd facelift for the ILX) wouldn't have been so bad. Quality aside, the CDX interior still looked better, it would've sold better given the CUV craze, and wouldn't necessarily tarnish the brand anymore than the ILX already had with its 2-generation old Civic platform. Not to mention available AWD and Sport Hybrid options, thereby eliminating any FWD-only models in their lineup.
Then when the new / proper one is ready, it would be just the right time to retire the old one after serving a typical ~5 year life cycle. But as always, AHM's decisions always make too much sense...
ILX is probably the most profitable vehicle in Acura lineup it was refreshed like 3 times and still kicking ass by selling close to 2K units.
I cannot wait for the ILX replacement. But I still stand what I said, Acura needs a smaller CUV. We have Q3, X1/X2,XC40, GLA and UX. I am still shocked to this date that Infiniti couldn't sell QX30 lol! If a better version of CDX comes to NA, Acura will be set
Why only the MDX and not other Honda/Acura models ?
As important as the flagship MDX is, I think the re-introduction of the Type S back to the masses is equally important. I'm not sure if the first run of the TLX Type S was intended to be limited but due to the semiconductor shortage, some of the chips meant for the MDX I'm sure have been earmarked for this month's Type S. All the hype and money spent on Type S would vanish if folks who reserved this car don't get what they want. In fact, the future success of Type S in other models may hinge on this one having fewer complications out of the gate!
ILX is probably the most profitable vehicle in Acura lineup it was refreshed like 3 times and still kicking ass by selling close to 2K units.
I cannot wait for the ILX replacement. But I still stand what I said, Acura needs a smaller CUV. We have Q3, X1/X2,XC40, GLA and UX. I am still shocked to this date that Infiniti couldn't sell QX30 lol! If a better version of CDX comes to NA, Acura will be set
Agreed, on all counts. My dealer indicated that ILXs still sell at a fairly brisk pace, which still bewilders me to this day. Who knew Honda would be able to milk that 9G Civic right through the debut of 11G Civic? (rehtorical question)
However, 'cheap' the quality of the CDX may be, I agree that it would probably still sell fairly well for the brand.
Agreed, on all counts. My dealer indicated that ILXs still sell at a fairly brisk pace, which still bewilders me to this day. Who knew Honda would be able to milk that 9G Civic right through the debut of 11G Civic? (rehtorical question)
However, 'cheap' the quality of the CDX may be, I agree that it would probably still sell fairly well for the brand.
The problem is by doing so, they sacrifice brand equity. People will start associating Acura with cheap even more than they do today, which is the opposite direction they're trying to take the company. Considering that for a few years the ILX was deemed to have the highest rate of buyer's remorse; it stands to reason that unsatisfied owners are less likely to came back for another Acura than satisfied owners. I imagine in the long run it's caused them to lose quite a few customers whos first impression of Acura was not a very good one.
Agreed, on all counts. My dealer indicated that ILXs still sell at a fairly brisk pace, which still bewilders me to this day. Who knew Honda would be able to milk that 9G Civic right through the debut of 11G Civic? (rehtorical question)
However, 'cheap' the quality of the CDX may be, I agree that it would probably still sell fairly well for the brand.
I think Acura will bring "CDX" to NA at one point. Based on the leaked document last year, we saw until 2022 Acura is focusing on:
TLX, MDX and the TYPE S in 2021.
ILX replacement most probably in 2022.
Beyond that, no one knows what's Acura's plan. Actually after years, Acura impressed me with their strategy. First they released the RDX with new engine, tech and design. RDX was a huge success and now they are working on TLX and MDX. Baby steps
Agree, Leith has a boat load of them both in Raleigh & Cary. Anyone know how to decode the VIN? Would like to see the build date on some of the cars. They have a lot of inventory but still don't see many on the street. At one time they were everywhere.
As I was in the middle of my TLX A-Spec purchase, my dealer (Clinton Acura, NJ) salesguy also happened to mention that 22 MDX Advances are tough to come by as well and may be some time before one becomes available. This seems to validate Colorado's statement.
(NOTE: I have no way of personally validating this circumstance so, stop typing; it's just what I've been told by folks far more in the know than I.)
The problem is by doing so, they sacrifice brand equity. People will start associating Acura with cheap even more than they do today, which is the opposite direction they're trying to take the company. Considering that for a few years the ILX was deemed to have the highest rate of buyer's remorse; it stands to reason that unsatisfied owners are less likely to came back for another Acura than satisfied owners. I imagine in the long run it's caused them to lose quite a few customers whos first impression of Acura was not a very good one.
My theory on the ILX? Superficial appeal. It looks great on the outside. On the inside, it is just barely upscale enough to separate it from a Civic. You can get a 10 speaker ELS sound system in it, which by all accounts mean that the sound system in it can be made to be better than ANY Civic. The average car buyer will not know going in that it's an older gen Civic underneath, and if they do some homework and DO know, they're not going to care. Finally, the price point is very enticing. I think many who buy one feel a thrill of knowing they got a "luxury" brand car brand new for a great deal. Also - it's reliable. Frankly, those high buyer's remorse claims surprise me - I wonder if those numbers are still high currently.
My theory on the ILX? Superficial appeal. It looks great on the outside. On the inside, it is just barely upscale enough to separate it from a Civic. You can get a 10 speaker ELS sound system in it, which by all accounts mean that the sound system in it can be made to be better than ANY Civic. The average car buyer will not know going in that it's an older gen Civic underneath, and if they do some homework and DO know, they're not going to care. Finally, the price point is very enticing. I think many who buy one feel a thrill of knowing they got a "luxury" brand car brand new for a great deal. Also - it's reliable. Frankly, those high buyer's remorse claims surprise me - I wonder if those numbers are still high currently.
I think many who buy one feel a thrill of knowing they got a "luxury" brand car brand new for a great deal. Also - it's reliable. Frankly, those high buyer's remorse claims surprise me - I wonder if those numbers are still high currently.
I think part of the issue is that a lot of people who are buying these cars may not have actually owned a luxury car in the past, and don’t realize until later that this car really is not a luxury car by any stretch of the imagination. It’s better than the old Corolla or Civic they’re coming out of, but eventually they realize what we all already know; that for a “luxury car” the interior is cheap, the ride is unrefined, and the NVH is high.
My theory on the ILX? Superficial appeal. It looks great on the outside. On the inside, it is just barely upscale enough to separate it from a Civic. You can get a 10 speaker ELS sound system in it, which by all accounts mean that the sound system in it can be made to be better than ANY Civic. The average car buyer will not know going in that it's an older gen Civic underneath, and if they do some homework and DO know, they're not going to care. Finally, the price point is very enticing. I think many who buy one feel a thrill of knowing they got a "luxury" brand car brand new for a great deal. Also - it's reliable. Frankly, those high buyer's remorse claims surprise me - I wonder if those numbers are still high currently.
It fulfils the same role as the MB A series and the Audi A3, being low-cost entry level luxury sedans.
The A3 ran for 7 years of updates, now the ILX is in it's 8th year (?).
None of these models have any appreciable levels of luxury.
It fulfils the same role as the MB A series and the Audi A3, being low-cost entry level luxury sedans.
The A3 ran for 7 years of updates, now the ILX is in it's 8th year (?).
None of these models have any appreciable levels of luxury.
Thanks for pointing this out. Is this luxury? As people say, all these small sedans from MB or Audi are called poor people's luxury cars.
Thanks for pointing this out. Is this luxury? As people say, all these small sedans from MB or Audi are called poor people's luxury cars.
Audi fixed it for new version out this year, will see what Acura will do for new ILX. These cars exist only for people to say they have one, Acura's price (non-NSX) tops out pretty much at the German's average price. The quality can't exactly match that of an A4 or else why would people upgrade. The new one comes fairly close though.
Thanks for pointing this out. Is this luxury? As people say, all these small sedans from MB or Audi are called poor people's luxury cars.
+1, even the old two screen stackup 2020 ILX looks better than that which looks low scale.
Even the new A3 looks like lots of hard plastic, the transmission shifter on the new A3 looks cheap as well
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+1, even the old two screen stackup 2020 ILX looks better than that which looks low scale.
Even the new A3 looks like lots of hard plastic, the transmission shifter on the new A3 looks cheap as well
Actually the ILX looks so much better than the old A3. I would say the new one isn't any special. Just the digital cluster. The rest of the ILX looks better than the new A3 The hard plastic doors, cheap fabric seating and the stiches on the dash and doors. hahahah!
Thank you. So clearly the BMW is a winner here. Can't wait to see the results for Q2 and YTD in July
Don't know why they all switched to quietly reporting I liked the monthly reports a lot better. Gives you a much better sense as to the actual flow. One that surprised me was the 4 series number. Much better than I expected for the pig nose cars. Thought Audi was doing pretty well as I see a lot more of the than I used to. TL & 3 series used to own this area.
Don't know why they all switched to quietly reporting I liked the monthly reports a lot better. Gives you a much better sense as to the actual flow. One that surprised me was the 4 series number. Much better than I expected for the pig nose cars. Thought Audi was doing pretty well as I see a lot more of the than I used to. TL & 3 series used to own this area.
Agreed! Monthly is so much better. Pretty much all the brand turned to quarterly. I am sure these few brands that left with monthly will switch to quarterly soon.
+1, even the old two screen stackup 2020 ILX looks better than that which looks low scale.
Even the new A3 looks like lots of hard plastic, the transmission shifter on the new A3 looks cheap as well
Why did you post a picture of the TLX? The ILX interior looks substantially cheaper with no shortage of cheap hard plastic, especially around the center console.
Why did you post a picture of the TLX? The ILX interior looks substantially cheaper with no shortage of cheap hard plastic, especially around the center console.
To see if anyone was paying attention in reality my bad didn't check the Google images search for "2021 Acura ILX interior".
Here's a 2021 ILX interior which is not quite as nice as the TLX, but looks better than the Audi
in reality my bad didn't check the Google images search for "2021 Acura ILX interior".