alcura

After discount, the Q50S with Nav almost same price as TLX 3.5 AWD Adv.

Which one should I get? I am kind in favor of Q50S since its RWD based....But TLX has all options at same price....

Rocketsfan

Q50 had tons of electronics bugs when it was released. Many have been fixed but several people are still reporting sporadic issues. I almost pre-ordered that car because they had discounted pricing, but am glad I didn't. If you ignore its past problems, it's an awesome car. The 2015's are supposed to be arriving sometime around September, BTW.

justnspace

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and then since the TLX is a first year car, expect bugs as well.

Stew4HD

I'd wait until the TLX is out. Test drive both, one after the other, then decide.

MikeElmendorf

I went from a 2012 TL SH-AWD Advance last August to a loaded Q50S AWD. It was a disaster and finally in April they agreed to buy it back, as it was clear they would lose the lemon law proceeding I was beginning to advance.

When it worked properly, it was a great car. Mechanically, it was impressive. The electronics, however, were a nightmare and made the car at best unpredictable and at worst frightening. For instance, the direct adaptive steering randomly pulling the car left or right or the brakes slamming on randomly at high speeds with nothing in front of me. After that last incident, my wife refused to ride in the car again.

I am now very happy with my loaded 2014 CTS 3.6 AWD. Great car, great drive, awesome interior.

I had thought the TLX might be a contender, but not only was its availability too late, but frankly I found the styling a major letdown. I had the same experience with the RLX. My TLs were great cars--I had 5 of them (ok, my first, the 2003 Type S with transmission problems, was NOT great) but Acura's styling is just not doing it for me these days. Perhaps in the future.

Good luck with your choice.

compewterbleu

Q50S, I have a friend who has one and he said he made a major mistake when trading his G37 for it. It looks so much like the Mazda 6 to me as well. He's a Nissan guy as is his co-worker who has a Q50 and neither are to thrilled with them. I'm going to take his for a spin to see what's up with it...

KeithL

I would not expect as many as the Q50 had. The Q50 head unit and electric steering was all new. The TLX is using head unit based on the RLX/MDX so I think most of those bugs are probably solved.

justnspace

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and it practically uses the tried and true J-series engine, so no worries there.
butt, still...
I'd have peace of mind of test driving the car first before i plop my $35-40k

insanik

Im not sure what everyone is expecting the TLX to drive like...

All Acuras all drive almost identical in terms of comfort and what not. PAWS will give you better traction and less boat like turning.

SH-AWD isn't new... the head units aren't new... motors are the same..


The only issue i see the TLX having is the Transmission since it's brand new.

As for testing drive...its an Acura... you should know what to expect. Acuras are consistent.

justnspace

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^they changed the suspension set up to McPherson struts instead of double wishbones.

and we dont know about fit and finish on the insides...
just sayin; it'd be worthwhile test driving it first

alcura

I am worry about the new transmission since Honda has a large recall in Japan when the new Fit with DCT came out early this year.

Stew4HD

I don't worry because if there is an issue, it'll be fixed under warranty... but that is just me

jwong77

I don't think the TLX uses the same transmission as the FIT. It is supposedly sourced from ZF.

justnspace

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^it has two trannies.
the 4 cylinder uses a DCT developed in house by Honda.

and the 6 cylinder uses the 9 speed ZF transmission

Healingduck

I would say wait to see what bugs there are in the TLX before buying. Unless you have faith in Acura which some people do. I can't imagine it will match up to the bugs the Q50s had/have, but really who knows since it's the first year. Even if the TLX is plagued with bugs, I would look elsewhere than the Q50s. Seems like most people can't get out of them fast enough.

lhn9021

I'm also considering A3 quattro.

Tonyware

Well, the only reason I am not presently driving a Q50s is the drive by wire steering. Apparently it doesn't work well in cold weather, at least that's what people complain about. Yes, it has safety mechanisms to default back to electric, but what's the point of buying something that doesn't work. So, since up here in Canada we have to survive some bad winters, it's a no brainier. Too bad though, because after sitting in one at the Toronto car show, I was really impressed. Sadly Nissan rushed it out the door, just like every other model because of some very aggressive product lunch strategy.

Now, if I will ever own a TLX depends on reliability. If I read here that it's falling apart then I won't spend ~ $50k CDN (all in) on one.

KeithL

True, but aren't they ZF designs?

justnspace

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^only the six cylinder version of the car will have the 9 speed ZF tranny.

the 4 banger gets the better of the two with a sporty DCT.

mondster

Never understood why acura went with two trannies. They should have just used the 8 dct for both 4 and 6 cylinders if theyre going for the true sports sedan image or offer the shawd on the 4 banger

Ken1997TL

Honestly the change to Mac struts didn't do a thing for the Accord. If anything, it's more comfortable AND handles better than the '08 - '12.

Ken1997TL

The DCT Acura has isn't strong enough to handle that kind of torque.

4WDrift

So why not then the 9 spd for both? More expensive?

weather

...and I lease my vehicles so even less of an issue for me other than the annoyance factor.

Ken1997TL

Not sure, just forwarding what I've been told from people in the past who seem to know what's going on.

Rocketsfan

Well, this could all be true, but then Acura seems to be making it a point to say how they tried to focus on making the car "vault-like" in terms of quietness. The suspension has changed as well. One of the complaints by some of those driving the 4G SH-AWD was that it was "too stiff" going over bumps. Others didn't care. Some said the same thing about the 3G. Any change may be enough to sway potential buyers one way or the other.


I don't expect this car to be ES-like, but ...


I also don't think most people are waiting because they think the car will be dramatically different from any other Acura, but rather to wait and see if there are any kind of issues with the car upon release.


Can't wait to see your pics when you get yours.

insanik

I don't for see MAJOR issues. only major issue i see possible occuring is tranny like I said since its inhouse built and new..

I work for GM/Chev.... so i always say...can't be worse than our own products lol

alcura

I've heard that GM/Chev employee can only drive GM/Chev car to work, otherwise you have to walk from the gate to buildings. Is that true?

jwong77

Right on, but I think the Op was considering the V6, thus the ZF transmission. Either way, I don't think the dependability of the Fit is an accurate barometer for how dependable the ZF unit will be.

paperboy42190

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if thats the case then is it safe to say if you have the 4 cylinder model, forget about modding since it wont handle that much more power?

a77

Perhaps the 9 speed won't fit with the longer 4 banger. Shades of ILX no auto 2.4, original hybrid Accord having to be a V6. Just a guess..any better ideas? The DCT may have had a compactness agenda so then the whole drivetrain, engine et all could be squashed into the IlX too. Just think, an ILX with all new styling, all new interior and all new drivetrain might just sell....

VQPower37

my girlfriends dad works for gm, thats definitiely true that you have to park in a different lot away from the building if its not a gm car

this is also true for ford, im not sure about chrysler. I am not sure if this is the same with the dealership but I know on the corporate side it is that way.

It is generally a non issue in michigan though as most of the people here are diehard fans of gm/ford/chrysler

Colin

No
More likely they see no need for that a tranny that takes 300+ pounds of torque in a car with 180. That, and I bet that buying/building (or whatever combo it is) something from ZF costs much more than the in-house design.

kevTL888

if FWD Acura vs RWD Infiniti than i'd go with Q50S hands down. but if both are AWD, i'd go with Acura. SH-AWD is way more sophisticated than Inifiniti's AWD system. the handling and reliability are also proven over the years. Nissan/Inifiniti vehicles tend to overstate their mpg numbers, i can't imaging what horrible mpg number would a Q50AWD get.

JM2010 SH-AWD

Unless, perhaps, like me, you lived in the snow belt. Tow truck operators love the RWD MBs and BMWs in our winters. But, I'd prefer the AWD TLX over these choices. As you say, SH AWD is tough to beat.

jshaw

I agree. 3 years ago, I briefly stopped in Detroit. Living in the west coast, I had once wondered where all of the domestic cars (sedans, namely) were sold. Rental fleets couldn't possibly sustain them. Nope. Detroit - the streets are flooded with domestic cars. It was on a level that makes the current Tesla obsession in the bay area (SF) seem quaint. I suspect most of the Midwest (with the possible exception of mid-Ohio) is the same.

DEman19901

If that's the case, this means that you almost have to go with the 6 cylinder.

vbx

I REGRET selling my G35 coupe and picking up an F-Sport. Then trading the F-Sport for the QShltty.

3 bad moves in the span of 3 months.

LiQiCE

For the price of a brand new TLX SHAWD you may also want to look at the Lexus GS350. You'll likely pay MSRP for the TLX right now, but the GS350 can be had with significant discounts (selling for under invoice on 2014s right now).

vbx - not sure which F-Sport you got rid of, but I'm very happy with my GS350 F-Sport AWD.

Without having sat in or test driven the TLX yet, I'll go out on a limb and say that I think the GS350's materials, fit & finish are better than the TLX. The GS's interior is usually rated as one of the top if not the top in its class. The exterior really depends on your preference (spindle grill, versus power plenum). Just another car to possibly consider / test drive.

Stew4HD

^ The GS350 AWD starts around $50K.