Is Motorweek accurate for 0-60?
09-25-2014, 01:23 PM
#164
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It's a four door Honda people. It isn't going to be "fast". No need to be offensive or defensive about anything here. Enjoy your car.
09-25-2014, 01:30 PM
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That said - I've driven in rush hour numerous time in Chicago (in rentals with underpowered 4 cylinders!) and our rush hour doesn't even deserve to be labeled as such in comparison.
I hope you had the chance to partake in some of the good eateries on 4th street while you visited our fair city!
09-25-2014, 01:38 PM
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You know all our examples of merge ramps point to the bigger problem - people are asshats and don't know how to drive. I'm pretty sure in IL the rules of the road state YOU will slow down and allow traffic to merge, not make the poor bastard sit on the ramp or drive into the shoulder just to avoid death
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09-25-2014, 01:43 PM
#167
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You know all our examples of merge ramps point to the bigger problem - people are asshats and don't know how to drive. I'm pretty sure in IL the rules of the road state YOU will slow down and allow traffic to merge, not make the poor bastard sit on the ramp or drive into the shoulder just to avoid death
The "me first" attitude on the road is worse than ever
09-25-2014, 02:32 PM
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09-25-2014, 02:37 PM
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Can't believe I missed this sub-section til now.
Alright.
How is this section compare to the Beak section? Oh this still rocks the smaller Beak. But you know, the infamous 4G TL section.
Better? Worse? Same? Whisker?
09-25-2014, 02:38 PM
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And I test drove the 4 cylinder TLX yesterday. It doesn't have any juice. If Honda man up and put a small turbo in it, it should be much, much better.
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09-25-2014, 02:42 PM
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Just saw the spec for Audi S3 last night.
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
BASE PRICE: $41,995
ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, iron block and aluminum head, port and direct fuel injection
Displacement: 121 cu in, 1984 cc
Power: 292 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 280 lb-ft @ 1900 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 103.6 in
Length: 175.9 in
Width: 77.2 in Height: 54.8 in
Curb weight: 3300 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (gov ltd, mfr's est): 155 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city/highway: 19/27 mpg
C/D observed: 23 mpg
This car is similarly priced with the loaded TLX V6.
It's smaller in size and 10000 times sexier in everything.
Which car would you choose?
And seems like you guys are like extremely into 0-60 time for some reason.
It does it in 4.4 second.
4.4.
Have fun guys!
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
BASE PRICE: $41,995
ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, iron block and aluminum head, port and direct fuel injection
Displacement: 121 cu in, 1984 cc
Power: 292 hp @ 6200 rpm
Torque: 280 lb-ft @ 1900 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 103.6 in
Length: 175.9 in
Width: 77.2 in Height: 54.8 in
Curb weight: 3300 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (gov ltd, mfr's est): 155 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city/highway: 19/27 mpg
C/D observed: 23 mpg
This car is similarly priced with the loaded TLX V6.
It's smaller in size and 10000 times sexier in everything.
Which car would you choose?
And seems like you guys are like extremely into 0-60 time for some reason.
It does it in 4.4 second.
4.4.
Have fun guys!
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09-25-2014, 02:43 PM
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09-25-2014, 02:46 PM
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Not just faster.
It's like WOW FASTER!!!!!!!!
It's like WOW FASTER!!!!!!!!
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09-25-2014, 02:50 PM
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Well since you are obviously relying on the quickest magazine test numbers you can find ( which I would like to see the evidence of) vs. an owner video to compare the cars I suggest you wait for the mags to produce stats for the TLX before you get too disappointed. Either that or do your own video of your mdx doing a 7.1 0-60.
09-25-2014, 02:54 PM
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What's going on?
We talkin' about MDX 0-60 now? We talkin' about MDX 0-60?
We talkin' about MDX 0-60 now? We talkin' about MDX 0-60?
09-25-2014, 03:03 PM
#181
Yes I looked at some articles and I see you are right. But like you said the MDX isn't the question. There are some pretty strong suvs out there and awd is a huge help when it comes to 0-60. The RDX is even quicker. Let's see what the mags say after they flog the crap out of the TLX then if they are still too slow then so be it. You don't have to buy one.
09-25-2014, 03:15 PM
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09-25-2014, 03:15 PM
#183
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09-25-2014, 03:16 PM
#184
Lock please?
09-25-2014, 03:22 PM
#185
Whats up with RDX owners?
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You're no fun.
09-25-2014, 03:27 PM
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09-25-2014, 03:49 PM
#187
Well an S3 premium bases for $41,100 and you won't find one that cheap on a lot. A decently equipped S4 is gonna be in the mid 50s so I guess it depends on your perspective.
09-25-2014, 05:19 PM
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You know I have to say, when the TL or even the TSX came out I had no issues finding 0-60 numbers on it. For this 4 CYL TSX...nada. Something tells me there's a reason for that.
sstfnv run of 7.6 seconds is decent I guess, but only because its not 8.7 seconds.
Its certainly not 1.5 seconds quicker than the previous TSX as Acuras "engineeers" (which means marketing people) have claimed. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure its .1 seconds slower than the older 4 cylinder automatic TSX.
So we still have a pretty slow car here being marketed as a pretty fast car. The Accord is still faster. As well as my 4500 lb MDX.
Its less of an embarrassment than 8.7 seconds, but still a pretty big disappointment.
sstfnv run of 7.6 seconds is decent I guess, but only because its not 8.7 seconds.
Its certainly not 1.5 seconds quicker than the previous TSX as Acuras "engineeers" (which means marketing people) have claimed. As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure its .1 seconds slower than the older 4 cylinder automatic TSX.
So we still have a pretty slow car here being marketed as a pretty fast car. The Accord is still faster. As well as my 4500 lb MDX.
Its less of an embarrassment than 8.7 seconds, but still a pretty big disappointment.
Now, the TLX 2.4 in the youtube video has 1085 miles on it. Is it past the break in period? May be, may be not.
In the video, the owner pulled a 7.5s run. At first glance, that's not impressive. But what you need to understand is that, the run was done by an average driver on a random road that is said to be slightly uphill. There's no 1 foot roll out that most magazines use, which is usually good for about 0.5 second. There's no brake torquing used, which usually helps with the launch especially on cars with less power and torque, like the TLX 2.4. There's also no correction factor applied for elevation, temperature, etc.
The times you see in car and driver and motor trend all use the above "tricks" to get the best possible time on each car. The time obtained by the sstfnv is more of a "bottom line" reference.
Regarding the 2g TSX 5AT acceleration time, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both did tests on the wagon version. the wagon version is 100lb heavier than the sedan. Both magazines get 0-60mph in 8.1 to 8.3s. The TSX sedan 5AT is probably around 8s flat.
In the real world, without brake torquing, without condition factor correction, without 1 foot roll out, then you are probably looking at 0-60mph in 9s in the TSX 5AT.
09-25-2014, 05:42 PM
#189
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It has Premium Plus and Prestige. I'm very familiar with Audi packaging programs.
Most of the people will get a Premium Plus with Navi pkg/LED pkg/19" Performance pkg which comes out to $46K. :wink:
Oh, btw, similarly equipped S4 will be priced around $54k.
09-25-2014, 06:18 PM
#190
First of all, S3 does NOT have a premium trim. Not sure where you got that information.
It has Premium Plus and Prestige. I'm very familiar with Audi packaging programs.
Most of the people will get a Premium Plus with Navi pkg/LED pkg/19" Performance pkg which comes out to $46K. :wink:
Oh, btw, similarly equipped S4 will be priced around $54k.
It has Premium Plus and Prestige. I'm very familiar with Audi packaging programs.
Most of the people will get a Premium Plus with Navi pkg/LED pkg/19" Performance pkg which comes out to $46K. :wink:
Oh, btw, similarly equipped S4 will be priced around $54k.
At any rate 46k is a long ways from 35k and 54k is a long ways from 42k (a tech awd TLX) as far as I'm concerned. To you high rollers maybe not as much.
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09-25-2014, 06:26 PM
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Usually the media would get the car and put some mileage on it, say, 2000-3000 miles, before doing a road test. That way the car is past its break in period so that the data is more representative. That means the engine, brakes, tires, etc are in optimum condition for the test.
Now, the TLX 2.4 in the youtube video has 1085 miles on it. Is it past the break in period? May be, may be not.
In the video, the owner pulled a 7.5s run. At first glance, that's not impressive. But what you need to understand is that, the run was done by an average driver on a random road that is said to be slightly uphill. There's no 1 foot roll out that most magazines use, which is usually good for about 0.5 second. There's no brake torquing used, which usually helps with the launch especially on cars with less power and torque, like the TLX 2.4. There's also no correction factor applied for elevation, temperature, etc.
The times you see in car and driver and motor trend all use the above "tricks" to get the best possible time on each car. The time obtained by the sstfnv is more of a "bottom line" reference.
Regarding the 2g TSX 5AT acceleration time, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both did tests on the wagon version. the wagon version is 100lb heavier than the sedan. Both magazines get 0-60mph in 8.1 to 8.3s. The TSX sedan 5AT is probably around 8s flat.
In the real world, without brake torquing, without condition factor correction, without 1 foot roll out, then you are probably looking at 0-60mph in 9s in the TSX 5AT.
Now, the TLX 2.4 in the youtube video has 1085 miles on it. Is it past the break in period? May be, may be not.
In the video, the owner pulled a 7.5s run. At first glance, that's not impressive. But what you need to understand is that, the run was done by an average driver on a random road that is said to be slightly uphill. There's no 1 foot roll out that most magazines use, which is usually good for about 0.5 second. There's no brake torquing used, which usually helps with the launch especially on cars with less power and torque, like the TLX 2.4. There's also no correction factor applied for elevation, temperature, etc.
The times you see in car and driver and motor trend all use the above "tricks" to get the best possible time on each car. The time obtained by the sstfnv is more of a "bottom line" reference.
Regarding the 2g TSX 5AT acceleration time, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both did tests on the wagon version. the wagon version is 100lb heavier than the sedan. Both magazines get 0-60mph in 8.1 to 8.3s. The TSX sedan 5AT is probably around 8s flat.
In the real world, without brake torquing, without condition factor correction, without 1 foot roll out, then you are probably looking at 0-60mph in 9s in the TSX 5AT.
09-25-2014, 06:29 PM
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Usually the media would get the car and put some mileage on it, say, 2000-3000 miles, before doing a road test. That way the car is past its break in period so that the data is more representative. That means the engine, brakes, tires, etc are in optimum condition for the test.
Now, the TLX 2.4 in the youtube video has 1085 miles on it. Is it past the break in period? May be, may be not.
In the video, the owner pulled a 7.5s run. At first glance, that's not impressive. But what you need to understand is that, the run was done by an average driver on a random road that is said to be slightly uphill. There's no 1 foot roll out that most magazines use, which is usually good for about 0.5 second. There's no brake torquing used, which usually helps with the launch especially on cars with less power and torque, like the TLX 2.4. There's also no correction factor applied for elevation, temperature, etc.
The times you see in car and driver and motor trend all use the above "tricks" to get the best possible time on each car. The time obtained by the sstfnv is more of a "bottom line" reference.
Regarding the 2g TSX 5AT acceleration time, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both did tests on the wagon version. the wagon version is 100lb heavier than the sedan. Both magazines get 0-60mph in 8.1 to 8.3s. The TSX sedan 5AT is probably around 8s flat.
In the real world, without brake torquing, without condition factor correction, without 1 foot roll out, then you are probably looking at 0-60mph in 9s in the TSX 5AT.
Now, the TLX 2.4 in the youtube video has 1085 miles on it. Is it past the break in period? May be, may be not.
In the video, the owner pulled a 7.5s run. At first glance, that's not impressive. But what you need to understand is that, the run was done by an average driver on a random road that is said to be slightly uphill. There's no 1 foot roll out that most magazines use, which is usually good for about 0.5 second. There's no brake torquing used, which usually helps with the launch especially on cars with less power and torque, like the TLX 2.4. There's also no correction factor applied for elevation, temperature, etc.
The times you see in car and driver and motor trend all use the above "tricks" to get the best possible time on each car. The time obtained by the sstfnv is more of a "bottom line" reference.
Regarding the 2g TSX 5AT acceleration time, Car and Driver and Motor Trend both did tests on the wagon version. the wagon version is 100lb heavier than the sedan. Both magazines get 0-60mph in 8.1 to 8.3s. The TSX sedan 5AT is probably around 8s flat.
In the real world, without brake torquing, without condition factor correction, without 1 foot roll out, then you are probably looking at 0-60mph in 9s in the TSX 5AT.
That's kind of a thrill?
09-25-2014, 06:39 PM
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09-25-2014, 06:45 PM
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09-25-2014, 07:29 PM
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Are you somehow being forced to come back to this thread?
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09-25-2014, 08:35 PM
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We will see what motor trend and whatever other source is considered "valid" comes up with. If this car still comes up slower than the previous car (the TSX) than Acura has failed in the performance dept here. And I am maintaining that in no world should the 4 cyl Accord be faster than the 4 cylinder TLX. What is it like $15,000 less ? The only ones that don't seem to care about the 0-60 are the ones who have already purchased the car, but I can guarantee you those who are considering purchasing the car care a lot. Its a selling point.
09-25-2014, 11:32 PM
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boy if the FR-S can't beat a TLX 2.4 then it's in trouble.....
For sure, if the TLX can't beat the TSX 5AT, then it's a fail in the performance dept.
For reference, the Accord CVT is good for 0-60mph in about 7.5s. The 6MT however can do it in 6.6s.
If you refer to the 6.6s figure, then the Accord is faster than many cars that are way more expensive.
A base TLX is $31k. That is more comparable to the Accord EX-L which is at $28.5k. That's about $2.5k difference. I don't think it's exactly an apple to apple comparison if we pit the TLX tech I4 to a base Accord right? It will be like saying the BMW 528i ($50k) must be faster than an Accord EX-L V6 ($30.5k) since the bimmer is $20k more expensive.
We will see what motor trend and whatever other source is considered "valid" comes up with. If this car still comes up slower than the previous car (the TSX) than Acura has failed in the performance dept here. And I am maintaining that in no world should the 4 cyl Accord be faster than the 4 cylinder TLX. What is it like $15,000 less ? The only ones that don't seem to care about the 0-60 are the ones who have already purchased the car, but I can guarantee you those who are considering purchasing the car care a lot. Its a selling point.
For reference, the Accord CVT is good for 0-60mph in about 7.5s. The 6MT however can do it in 6.6s.
If you refer to the 6.6s figure, then the Accord is faster than many cars that are way more expensive.
A base TLX is $31k. That is more comparable to the Accord EX-L which is at $28.5k. That's about $2.5k difference. I don't think it's exactly an apple to apple comparison if we pit the TLX tech I4 to a base Accord right? It will be like saying the BMW 528i ($50k) must be faster than an Accord EX-L V6 ($30.5k) since the bimmer is $20k more expensive.
09-26-2014, 06:06 AM
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