Most likely skipping the TLX until next gen
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Most likely skipping the TLX until next gen
I currently drive a 08 TL Type S approaching 200k km on it soon. Have a bunch of mods on it (exhaust, jpipe, cold air intake, sound system).
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
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It makes sense to wait for the next gen as based on what Acura is telling us, next gen stuff is supposed to be a huge improvement.
It's typical for car companies to keep on using the same engine platform for over a decade. But it's more disappointing that the J series has actually been used for 2 decades now.
My understanding is that the Anna plant in Ohio will be building the new 3.0T engine for used in 2019 Acura models (RLX, TLX come to mind).
It's typical for car companies to keep on using the same engine platform for over a decade. But it's more disappointing that the J series has actually been used for 2 decades now.
My understanding is that the Anna plant in Ohio will be building the new 3.0T engine for used in 2019 Acura models (RLX, TLX come to mind).
#3
Not sure how long you can wait. Acura moves really slow and I don't see them releasing next gen till spring 2019 and even then Type S might not be released right away. It could take another year or two after that to get that rumoured 400hp version. Go test drive the Aspec. It's a really good car.
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I currently drive a 08 TL Type S approaching 200k km on it soon. Have a bunch of mods on it (exhaust, jpipe, cold air intake, sound system).
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
You fell for fashion, your loss. Good luck with your new obsession. In the current issue, C&D almost called the S5 'boring".
The TLX is a great car. My 2016 kept growing on me up to love status.
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#6
No reason to Shit ur pants when u hear a used Audi lol. It's called CPO pre owned certified. And I beg to differ nothing is more boring from this NA v6 engine they had for 20 yrs already. I'm driving my TL for almost 4 years now and Idk what I would do if I never had my exhaust and all the engine power mods on it.
and s5 boring? Go test drive one. I wanna see how boring is a 333hp supercharged v6 engine (not mention easy extra 100hp with just a flash tune)
and s5 boring? Go test drive one. I wanna see how boring is a 333hp supercharged v6 engine (not mention easy extra 100hp with just a flash tune)
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It makes sense to wait for the next gen as based on what Acura is telling us, next gen stuff is supposed to be a huge improvement.
It's typical for car companies to keep on using the same engine platform for over a decade. But it's more disappointing that the J series has actually been used for 2 decades now.
My understanding is that the Anna plant in Ohio will be building the new 3.0T engine for used in 2019 Acura models (RLX, TLX come to mind).
It's typical for car companies to keep on using the same engine platform for over a decade. But it's more disappointing that the J series has actually been used for 2 decades now.
My understanding is that the Anna plant in Ohio will be building the new 3.0T engine for used in 2019 Acura models (RLX, TLX come to mind).
Speaking of which, where is this 3.0T rumour coming from? Or funnier yet, the 3.0TT rumour. This is still Honda...I don't buy into that rumour at all whatsoever.
#9
I had a 2014 Audi A4 Sline with sport package. Car was great, but it was the biggest loss I ever took on a trade. Audi =huge depreciation. Too expensive to maintain after warranty.
Now I have 2018 TLX ASpec awd. Car is great.
Now I have 2018 TLX ASpec awd. Car is great.
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I rather have an old engine design with reliability rather than a new engine every 5 years with a bunch of problems.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
#16
I rather have an old engine design with reliability rather than a new engine every 5 years with a bunch of problems.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
Now this is conditional on problems being fixed correctly ... looking at you Acura, not Honda.
#17
I rather have an old engine design with reliability rather than a new engine every 5 years with a bunch of problems.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
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#18
No reason to Shit ur pants when u hear a used Audi lol. It's called CPO pre owned certified. And I beg to differ nothing is more boring from this NA v6 engine they had for 20 yrs already. I'm driving my TL for almost 4 years now and Idk what I would do if I never had my exhaust and all the engine power mods on it.
and s5 boring? Go test drive one. I wanna see how boring is a 333hp supercharged v6 engine (not mention easy extra 100hp with just a flash tune)
and s5 boring? Go test drive one. I wanna see how boring is a 333hp supercharged v6 engine (not mention easy extra 100hp with just a flash tune)
that being said, I too am waiting for the next gen TLX. The refresh for the current TLX did help address a lot of gripes we enthusiasts had about the car, but as you suggested, not necessarily all of them. Acura is a small company so they can't pump out stuff as fast as bigger companies can.
#19
Also, proof that the 2014 A4 is expensive to maintain after warranty?
#20
It will not improve power, but customizing might be the answer; take a base $37-39K V6 (FWD or AWD) and add $4K of wheels, lowered suspension and if money left , an aftermarket exhaust. The idea holds water only if you want to go further than a-spec.
PS: to taco d-ass for not minding his business once again.
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I agree, it is really disappointing that the J-series has been kept almost the same for 20 years. I'm pretty sure that other than mitsubishi, Honda is the only company that has a timing belt in their V6's and SOHC still. Only I could forgive a small and unsuccessful company like Mitsubishi but not Honda. There is a desperate need for torque in the J-series.
Speaking of which, where is this 3.0T rumour coming from? Or funnier yet, the 3.0TT rumour. This is still Honda...I don't buy into that rumour at all whatsoever.
Speaking of which, where is this 3.0T rumour coming from? Or funnier yet, the 3.0TT rumour. This is still Honda...I don't buy into that rumour at all whatsoever.
If you go to TOV, there's this guy that seems to be in the know. He's got many things right in the past, such as the switch from NA to turbo for the NSX.
2 decades later, still having a J35, but with 10AT, it now makes 280hp. does 0-60mph in 6.6s, and gets EPA ratings of 19/28mpg, all the while being 300lb heavier.
The bigger issue is that Honda/Acura does not have something above the J series (excluding the NSX) that can make over 350hp/350lbft. A 3.5L NA V6 can make that much power if you rev it high enough, but you still can't get torque close to 300lbft, let alone 350lbft plus. This is where a boosted V6 or NA V8 would come into play.
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#22
wait, you bought a luxury car and are upset it depreciated quickly? ALL luxury cars depreciate quickly!!! Also, you traded it in, meaning the dealership hosed you on the trade in. Every dealership does. They offer you 8k less than what the car is worth and then go and sell it for 8k more than they gave you. If you want to maximize your winnings on selling a used car, you MUST sell it privately.
Also, proof that the 2014 A4 is expensive to maintain after warranty?
Also, proof that the 2014 A4 is expensive to maintain after warranty?
I agree on selling it privately, but their is a tax advantage on trading that you would have to make up by selling privately. Plus the Audi can sell the car as a CPO.
#23
Just a quick search to find this: Nothing against Audi, I like my Audi, was just time for a new car. I trade every few yrs. (Copied and paste the following)
We compared the quotes received for comparable repair types across these three brands.
The result? Audi consistently came out on top, an at average 31% higher than for Mercedes maintenance and repairs.
BMW sat a little above Mercedes, but still 19% below Audi.
And Audi's high prices don't end there.2. It's a consistent trend across the volume models
Whether it’s an A3, an A4 or an A6, average repair estimates on an Audi remained highest - with the largest difference (+45%) apparent when comparing C-Class and A4 repair quotes.3. Complex repair work causes Audi bills to rack up
When it comes to simple work - routine servicing, or wear parts such as brakes and exhausts - estimates across all three brands are comparable.
The biggest variation occurs when comparing transmission.
Cambelt changes also showed the same trend, as well as requests for ‘Engine Parts’ - a broad category of repairs typically requiring more ‘involved’ work.4. The younger the car the pricier the Audi repair
The older the Mercedes the higher the maintenance costsMercedes cars 'go on for longer', with repairs most likely in 11-year-old cars.
Conversely, the majority of Audi repairs take place when the cars are 5-10 years old, with BMW somewhere in between.
We compared the quotes received for comparable repair types across these three brands.
The result? Audi consistently came out on top, an at average 31% higher than for Mercedes maintenance and repairs.
BMW sat a little above Mercedes, but still 19% below Audi.
And Audi's high prices don't end there.2. It's a consistent trend across the volume models
Whether it’s an A3, an A4 or an A6, average repair estimates on an Audi remained highest - with the largest difference (+45%) apparent when comparing C-Class and A4 repair quotes.3. Complex repair work causes Audi bills to rack up
When it comes to simple work - routine servicing, or wear parts such as brakes and exhausts - estimates across all three brands are comparable.
The biggest variation occurs when comparing transmission.
Cambelt changes also showed the same trend, as well as requests for ‘Engine Parts’ - a broad category of repairs typically requiring more ‘involved’ work.4. The younger the car the pricier the Audi repair
The older the Mercedes the higher the maintenance costsMercedes cars 'go on for longer', with repairs most likely in 11-year-old cars.
Conversely, the majority of Audi repairs take place when the cars are 5-10 years old, with BMW somewhere in between.
#24
So you'd rather have a 20 year old engine than a modern one because you think a modern one will have problems? With this logic 4 and 5 speed tranmission should still be the gold standard. There is nothing wrong with keeping a basic architecture the same, but you can't keep the same tech too.
This is not the same as the 4/5 speed transmission logic. But if we are talking about transmission, I personally do prefer 6 speed auto trans. I think it's a sweet spot for performance and efficiency. BMW's 8 speed auto trans is a good sample but we still don't know about its longevity since it's pretty new. Speaking of BMW and their engine, the N54 (3.0TT 300HP 300lbft) had a lot of problems when they brought it to the US. It was doing okay in EU. But I guess the conditions in the US are so different that problems arose. The thing with BMW is people buy them knowing they won't be as much reliable as Japaneses. So while customers are mad, they are not surprised.
I can see why Acura is scared to change as you said. It's because reliability and good value are their strengths. If they put in a new engine with a bunch of issues, they would lose a lot of customers. For sure they would lose me. I am buying Honda/Acuras because they are reliable. I think most Acura/Honda owners will agree.
I want to say I was frustrated with Acura's direction too but now I am happy to see they are changing for the better. Slowly, but they are changing nonetheless.
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<br />The result? <a href=""https://acurazine.com/forums/&quot;https://acurazine.com/forums/&quot;http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/audi&quot;&quot;"">Audi consistently came out on top</a>, an at average 31% higher than for Mercedes maintenance and repairs.<br /><br /><a href=""https://acurazine.com/forums/&quot;https://acurazine.com/forums/&quot;http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/bmw&quot;&quot;"">BMW</a> sat a little above Mercedes, but still 19% below Audi..
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#26
I currently drive a 08 TL Type S approaching 200k km on it soon. Have a bunch of mods on it (exhaust, jpipe, cold air intake, sound system).
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
I rather have an old engine design with reliability rather than a new engine every 5 years with a bunch of problems.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
The 2018 TLX A-Spec is not bad at all. They seem to fix most of the problems on the pre-MMC TLXs. I feel bad for those with problems on their pre MMC TLXs.
I'd avoid A-SPEC, unless one really wants that mandatory $3700 tech package.
It will not improve power, but customizing might be the answer; take a base $37-39K V6 (FWD or AWD) and add $4K of wheels, lowered suspension and if money left , an aftermarket exhaust. The idea holds water only if you want to go further than a-spec.
PS: to taco d-ass for not minding his business once again.
It will not improve power, but customizing might be the answer; take a base $37-39K V6 (FWD or AWD) and add $4K of wheels, lowered suspension and if money left , an aftermarket exhaust. The idea holds water only if you want to go further than a-spec.
PS: to taco d-ass for not minding his business once again.
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Th 2018 aspec was a step in the right direction but they have to address the engine that is far behind the competition both in power and innovation. We know the next gen is getting improved navigation/infotainment system. Honda really needs to ditch the timing belt as well.
#30
Th 2018 aspec was a step in the right direction but they have to address the engine that is far behind the competition both in power and innovation. We know the next gen is getting improved navigation/infotainment system. Honda really needs to ditch the timing belt as well.
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#35
10 years later & the hope for an S-Type continues. Is that the automotive equivalent of the battered wives syndrome?
Made 1200 miles on the car during the run back from the beach. Launch Control is now active & chirps off the line & 1/2 -2/3 shifts @ WOT. Run flats are a little sketchy for traction but they are still 255's.
Made 1200 miles on the car during the run back from the beach. Launch Control is now active & chirps off the line & 1/2 -2/3 shifts @ WOT. Run flats are a little sketchy for traction but they are still 255's.
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#37
IF i would start a lease now, that would put my ending to right about the time the 2nd gen would be out. Acura would take a major L if that car doesn't have Acura Precision and it would be a huge disappointment if its now a twin turbo V6 or at-least 0-60 in the 4's, no more 5's
#38
I currently drive a 08 TL Type S approaching 200k km on it soon. Have a bunch of mods on it (exhaust, jpipe, cold air intake, sound system).
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
was really intersted in the black TLX A-SPEC with red interior, very cool car.
now my concern is this, we NEED a new powertrain and the precision cockpit design.
coming from my type s it's the SAME freaking engine!! Only difference is my type is faster (lower gear tranny and lighter weight.
we need a TORQUEY engine. Turbo is a must. I mean why does my 2008 acura has the SAME engine as a 2018 acura?
the interior is too familiar even tho I never owned a tlx but it's all too familiar. In my opinion I think we will get a better value for our money once they release a new body that will fit better with the headlights and a new precision cockpit interior.
for now I'm eyeing a used b8.5 audi s5 as it's the same price as a new tlx or even cheaper for a supercharged v6 and amazing Quattro awd
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#40
Type-S: Brembos, heavy steering with hydraulics, carbon fiber interior, limited-slip differential, almost the same engine (difference is no DI), same NAV, same red lighting ... reputation. Not even close to being the same as the Aspec.
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