4cyl TLX
08-14-2016, 02:12 PM
#41
I want the refinement and performance of a 6 cylinder, especially when the difference in mpg is minimal, if any.
08-15-2016, 07:21 AM
#42
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You're aware that there are oil consumption and torque convertor issues with the 4G, correct?
08-15-2016, 12:29 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
No, not the FWD models.
The '12+ TL FWD will give your the best reliability and longevity, just like the 2007/08 TL.
The TL SH-AWD is more harsh and noisier than I'd like for a daily driver. Now that oil consumption becomes a problem, owning one of those in long term will even be less likely for me. The TLX is more refined and softer than the TL. If your budget and time allow, get the MMC TLX with V6 SH-AWD next year.
If you already have a weekend fun car, then the TLX 4cyl will makes a lot of sense. But if you only have 1 car, then I think a V6 will give you a good blend of both sides.
The '12+ TL FWD will give your the best reliability and longevity, just like the 2007/08 TL.
The TL SH-AWD is more harsh and noisier than I'd like for a daily driver. Now that oil consumption becomes a problem, owning one of those in long term will even be less likely for me. The TLX is more refined and softer than the TL. If your budget and time allow, get the MMC TLX with V6 SH-AWD next year.
If you already have a weekend fun car, then the TLX 4cyl will makes a lot of sense. But if you only have 1 car, then I think a V6 will give you a good blend of both sides.
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08-15-2016, 12:32 PM
#46
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3.7 has more oil consumption issues but 3.5's in addition to 3.7's are also have TC's being replaced.
Last edited by ggesq; 08-15-2016 at 12:35 PM.
08-17-2016, 02:21 PM
#47
The TLX I4 is not a bad deal. Most 4 cylinders have anywhere between 130 to 190 hp. The TLX 4 cylinder having over 200hp without a turbo is pretty impressive.
The weight to hp ratio between the lighter I4 206 hp and the weight to hp ratio on the heavier V6 290 hp is not a breathtaking difference accounting for the weight of the engines. My Cadillac CTS V6 had 220hp and feels like it has the same pull of my I4. The I4 has plenty of power for daily driving and passing on the highway.
The I4 DCT is well put together. I own a 16 ilx with the same DCT for a year & about 12k miles and now my 16 TLX for 6k miles. I love this DCT's lighting fast shifts. Some of my passengers never seen a trans shift so quickly and smoothly. I am happy and have no worries at all with the I4's power train.
On another note I for one like to work on own cars for minor repairs such as serpentine belt replacement, alternator replacements radiator replacement etc... The I4 has enough space under hood to work comfortably.
The weight to hp ratio between the lighter I4 206 hp and the weight to hp ratio on the heavier V6 290 hp is not a breathtaking difference accounting for the weight of the engines. My Cadillac CTS V6 had 220hp and feels like it has the same pull of my I4. The I4 has plenty of power for daily driving and passing on the highway.
The I4 DCT is well put together. I own a 16 ilx with the same DCT for a year & about 12k miles and now my 16 TLX for 6k miles. I love this DCT's lighting fast shifts. Some of my passengers never seen a trans shift so quickly and smoothly. I am happy and have no worries at all with the I4's power train.
On another note I for one like to work on own cars for minor repairs such as serpentine belt replacement, alternator replacements radiator replacement etc... The I4 has enough space under hood to work comfortably.
08-26-2016, 01:53 PM
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I would echo Rae Rad's post above about the TLX I4. I would also add that i recently spent a day with a 2016 TLX 3.5 SH-AWD as a loaner. I have test driven one before, but I can confirm my earlier posts that the 16 transmission was excellent and is significantly improved from the 15. (I initially had a 2015 3.5 SH-AWD). It still comes down to price and preference, but both are good choices.
08-28-2016, 01:34 AM
#49
Besides Honda, GM and Hyundai/Kia 2.4 four cylinder engines had 200 hp already for quite some already...is really not that impressive anymore.
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08-28-2016, 03:53 PM
#50
Yes. Other manufacturers have 4 cyl engines over 200 hp. But that is because of the turbo. Check all their 4 cyl without turbo. You will find the hp to be in the 180 ish range. Most manufacturers need to add turbo to pass the 200hp mark.
08-28-2016, 04:10 PM
#51
Originally Posted by Rae Rad
Yes. Other manufacturers have 4 cyl engines over 200 hp. But that is because of the turbo. Check all their 4 cyl without turbo. You will find the hp to be in the 180 ish range. Most manufacturers need to add turbo to pass the 200hp mark.
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08-28-2016, 11:27 PM
#54
No, the GM and Hyundai 2.4/2.5 liter hit the 200 HP mark without the turbo.
08-29-2016, 12:13 PM
#55
But just out of ciriosity.. What Hyundai are you referring too? By a brief google search most of thier 2015 2.4l has about 185hp. At least for the Elentra and Sonata.
Same goes for GM. I seen the Impala and malibu reach the 195hp mark. The Cadillac ATS would be my only find of a 4 cyl reaching 202hp.
But then again i did just a brief search.
08-29-2016, 01:54 PM
#56
Ok!... I did not say that Acura is the ONLY manufacturer that has a 2.4l without turbo and pass the 200hp mark. As I stated in my perivous post, MOST manufacturers need a turbo to pass that mark. Key word "MOST"
But just out of ciriosity.. What Hyundai are you referring too? By a brief google search most of thier 2015 2.4l has about 185hp. At least for the Elentra and Sonata.
Same goes for GM. I seen the Impala and malibu reach the 195hp mark. The Cadillac ATS would be my only find of a 4 cyl reaching 202hp.
But then again i did just a brief search.
But just out of ciriosity.. What Hyundai are you referring too? By a brief google search most of thier 2015 2.4l has about 185hp. At least for the Elentra and Sonata.
Same goes for GM. I seen the Impala and malibu reach the 195hp mark. The Cadillac ATS would be my only find of a 4 cyl reaching 202hp.
But then again i did just a brief search.
A current 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo engine can easily go over 300 HP.
08-29-2016, 03:51 PM
#57
Is it this gen of optima and malibu you are reffering to?
They are close but not yet the 200 mark
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CoquiTSX (08-31-2016)
09-01-2016, 04:26 PM
#58
To answer OP, I have a relatively early build of the TLX (mid '15) and it was buttery smooth and issue free for about the first 10,000 miles. I've recently had some hard shifting after cold starts though and I took it in for a software update. It's supposedly going to take a couple hundred miles to "learn" my driving (can anyone explain what that is even supposed to mean?) and then improve from there. I noticed zero improvement for the first tank of gas after the software update but after my second tank, things are starting to improve. The hard shifts aren't a game changer but a little annoying at this point. Hopefully it improves.
09-02-2016, 01:45 AM
#59
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To answer OP, I have a relatively early build of the TLX (mid '15) and it was buttery smooth and issue free for about the first 10,000 miles. I've recently had some hard shifting after cold starts though and I took it in for a software update. It's supposedly going to take a couple hundred miles to "learn" my driving (can anyone explain what that is even supposed to mean?) and then improve from there. I noticed zero improvement for the first tank of gas after the software update but after my second tank, things are starting to improve. The hard shifts aren't a game changer but a little annoying at this point. Hopefully it improves.
09-02-2016, 09:45 PM
#60
Burning Brakes
Check the actual spec on the edmunds.com or Kia website to get more accurate info.
Perhaps Kia Optima makes only 200 hp vs 201 HP that 2ng gen TSX makes and 206 HP that TLX makes, but the thing is, it makes that power at lower RPM. It also has more torque at lower rpm than 2nd gen TSX and TLX. If that is not enough, it has the same listed MPG as TLX, and that was several years before even TLX existed, so compared to both TSX and TLX the Optima is very competitive when it comes to engine hp, torque, and MPG. The 4 banger that Acura or Honda makes is definitely not an engine that will win them any awards, it is rather run of the mill motor in a so-so package.
09-02-2016, 11:24 PM
#61
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Check the actual spec on the edmunds.com or Kia website to get more accurate info.
Perhaps Kia Optima makes only 200 hp vs 201 HP that 2ng gen TSX makes and 206 HP that TLX makes, but the thing is, it makes that power at lower RPM. It also has more torque at lower rpm than 2nd gen TSX and TLX. If that is not enough, it has the same listed MPG as TLX, and that was several years before even TLX existed, so compared to both TSX and TLX the Optima is very competitive when it comes to engine hp, torque, and MPG. The 4 banger that Acura or Honda makes is definitely not an engine that will win them any awards, it is rather run of the mill motor in a so-so package.
Perhaps Kia Optima makes only 200 hp vs 201 HP that 2ng gen TSX makes and 206 HP that TLX makes, but the thing is, it makes that power at lower RPM. It also has more torque at lower rpm than 2nd gen TSX and TLX. If that is not enough, it has the same listed MPG as TLX, and that was several years before even TLX existed, so compared to both TSX and TLX the Optima is very competitive when it comes to engine hp, torque, and MPG. The 4 banger that Acura or Honda makes is definitely not an engine that will win them any awards, it is rather run of the mill motor in a so-so package.
There was a time when the TSX had a better power to weight ratio than its V6 competitors... So it might not be much today, but it was when it came out... Atleast for a FWD sedan back then!!!
But today, all I4 sedans are quick!!!
So, with these torquey large displacement I4s, we cannot go wrong anymore!!!!
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Gen4MDX (11-26-2016)
09-03-2016, 03:32 PM
#62
Yeah, but this engine came out in 2003 and was almost as good as it is now!!!
There was a time when the TSX had a better power to weight ratio than its V6 competitors... So it might not be much today, but it was when it came out... Atleast for a FWD sedan back then!!!
There was a time when the TSX had a better power to weight ratio than its V6 competitors... So it might not be much today, but it was when it came out... Atleast for a FWD sedan back then!!!
09-03-2016, 07:59 PM
#63
Check the actual spec on the edmunds.com or Kia website to get more accurate info.
Perhaps Kia Optima makes only 200 hp vs 201 HP that 2ng gen TSX makes and 206 HP that TLX makes, but the thing is, it makes that power at lower RPM. It also has more torque at lower rpm than 2nd gen TSX and TLX. If that is not enough, it has the same listed MPG as TLX, and that was several years before even TLX existed, so compared to both TSX and TLX the Optima is very competitive when it comes to engine hp, torque, and MPG. The 4 banger that Acura or Honda makes is definitely not an engine that will win them any awards, it is rather run of the mill motor in a so-so package.
Perhaps Kia Optima makes only 200 hp vs 201 HP that 2ng gen TSX makes and 206 HP that TLX makes, but the thing is, it makes that power at lower RPM. It also has more torque at lower rpm than 2nd gen TSX and TLX. If that is not enough, it has the same listed MPG as TLX, and that was several years before even TLX existed, so compared to both TSX and TLX the Optima is very competitive when it comes to engine hp, torque, and MPG. The 4 banger that Acura or Honda makes is definitely not an engine that will win them any awards, it is rather run of the mill motor in a so-so package.
MPG 23/34
HP 192 @6500 rpm
Torque 180 @4250 rpm
Acura Tlx i4
MPG 24/35
HP 206 @6800rpm
Torque 181 @4500 rpm
My wife has a 2015 Optima EX and those are actual specs for the Optima. The photo is accurate, the Optima's i4 has 192hp not 200hp.
The MGP is competitive, but, the TLX is still higher by 1 mpg both city and highway.
The rpm is so so...
Last edited by Rae Rad; 09-03-2016 at 08:04 PM.
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