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I was at a BMW event a couple of months ago at Met Life stadium and had the chance to try out several models. Honestly, only the size gives away the 7 versus the 5 upon initial glance. Other than that, there's not much visual separation beteeen the two. In years past, that wasn't the case but it is now.
But when you stand beside or look at the 7 series, do you not get a sense of the cars magnitude? By that I mean, do you not feel that the car is very expensive at least?
Originally Posted by CheeseyPoofs McNut
I suspect you'll be able to buy it for $10k cheaper a few months after it's rolled out
Lol well said.
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
Like a child getting D's, I want him to get A's.
Speaking about being hard on them, I'm not the only one. Sales have never recovered from their glory days. I REALLY want them to try harder and succeed, but always get disappointed when they reveal something.
Hyundai has always really pushed that aspect of the user experience. When the Equus first came out (not sure if they still did this for later years) they were being sold with a tablet as the user manual. This tablet could also be used to book dealer visits...etc. It was a really elegant touch for a 60k car. So good for them.
On a sidenote, Genesis has an upcoming RWD SUV in the works and I'm really excited to see it.
I think Acura is the only car company now that uses as many transmissions as they have car models: 6sp, 7 dct, 8 dct, 9zf, 9 dct (NSX, not sure), 10sp.
LOL. Good point. Never noticed but you are right. Yup the NSX has 9-DCT.
Originally Posted by pyrodan007
The TLX may get by for having old graphics. But a 60k+ sedan (more like 75k+ in Canada) to have the same system is just plan stupid. I think the low volume sales will definitely continue even if less trims are available.
Yea the graphics are unacceptable. Looks to me Acura just wanted to fix the exterior and that's about it. That's where most of the budget went to. I think they know this platform is no good and is good and no point of wasting too much money on it until next gen.
Originally Posted by Speed_Racer
I thought the precision cockpit concept would appear in production form on the RLX refresh. That leaves the 2nd gen TLX as the possible 1st to get it. So much for the RLX being a flagship.
I've always thoguht the precision cockpit will go with precision design together. Even the current implementation of the grille isn't all that great because Honda doesn't want to spend too much on MMC for changing structural points and all that engineering.
With that said, the next gen RLX is supposed to come in 2019. The same applies for the TLX. I would think the next generations of these cars would come out at around the same time. I'm more interesting to know about the RDX and ILX. Those are due for FMC very soon. Will they get precision cockpit?
Originally Posted by kurtatx
I didn't think this would happen, but I am getting impatient with waiting for any Acura model to get a full refresh.
Haha, that's a problem when all they only have 5 models + 1 super car. There aren't enough models to have new model introduction in every big show.
But when you stand beside or look at the 7 series, do you not get a sense of the cars magnitude? By that I mean, do you not feel that the car is very expensive at least?
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Its a BMW family identity thing. That's why going back over the generations you can always tell they are from the same manufacturer as the current generation. The people buying them know the difference between the model lines. From a distance my 440 looks like a 650. Side by side or inside you can tell which car is more expensive. Hint its not the 440.
Rename the RLX SHAWD to TLX Type S, add Brembo brakes, replace wood with some carbon fiber (inside and out), drop price to less than 60k CND (50 ish US) and call it a day. Minimum 1000% sales increase guaranteed lol
Last edited by pyrodan007; 08-14-2017 at 11:31 AM.
It's brutal that the buyers with deeper wallets have to wait for features the Accord gets standard. If the Accord had a DCT, you could cancel the smaller engine TLX.
The upcoming RDX will be a lot of fun . Given that that's *the* hot segment I would think they're going to give %150 effort to hit a home run.
Originally Posted by kurtatx
It's brutal that the buyers with deeper wallets have to wait for features the Accord gets standard. If the Accord had a DCT, you could cancel the smaller engine TLX.
How would you handle it? I don't know of any major car manufacturer that rolls out major updates on a yearly basis. Given the low volume of sales for Acura how is reasonable that they shorten the model release cycle in order to stay current with the rapidly changing technology?
How would you handle it? I don't know of any major car manufacturer that rolls out major updates on a yearly basis. Given the low volume of sales for Acura how is reasonable that they shorten the model release cycle in order to stay current with the rapidly changing technology?
You're making it sound like Honda is poor and has no money for engineering work. When the Civic took a nosedive, they updated the model the following year (2013 ish, not sure which year), so work wise they can do it. Mind you, that's a top seller. The thing is, the real profits are in the luxury market. Ignore the market, and the market will ignore your ... and your bank account. Especially on a car like the RLX flagged as top end with top dollars attached to it.
You're making it sound like Honda is poor and has no money for engineering work. When the Civic took a nosedive, they updated the model the following year (2013 ish, not sure which year), so work wise they can do it. Mind you, that's a top seller. The thing is, the real profits are in the luxury market. Ignore the market, and the market will ignore your ... and your bank account. Especially on a car like the RLX flagged as top end with top dollars attached to it.
Honda sold 30,903 Accords last month (US)
Acura sold 2,495 TLX's.
Acura sold 64 RLX's.
The profit margin is likely higher on the RLX/TLX but the cash cow is the Honda. By several orders of magnitude.
I don't have the numbers but the cost to redesign and retool and test and roll out new models isn't trivial. If it were profitable to shorten the model cycle for Acura I'm fairly certain that's what they would do.
I said this in the RLX forum yesterday. The midsize sedan segment is so crowded and competitive that Honda has to do, what it's gotta do, to keep the income flowing. That means top-line features in the Accord. I have no issue with that. If the Accord doesn't sell, Acura doesn't get money to do what it does. And what I want it to do is to miniaturize the eSH-AWD system (ie make it lighter), and make mechanical SH-AWD available across the line in all Acuras except the RLX and MDX, where eSH-AWD should remain. That takes real money.
Sales drive down cost. It's all about volume. Plain and simple. They need the Accord to succeed and to do that they must make it the very best it can be. Selling more Accords enable them to make more money hence develop quicker and more efficiently.
looks like the RDX is out of your list too!
stupid acura ruining everything
Had a 2017 RDX as a loaner and the MID display on the dash was identical to the MID display on my old 07 TL.
The CRV AWD system has no business in an RDX. They really need to bring back SH-AWD for the RDX. The MDX driving dynamics is highly regarded by the car review mags because of its drivetrain.
Its a BMW family identity thing. That's why going back over the generations you can always tell they are from the same manufacturer as the current generation. The people buying them know the difference between the model lines. From a distance my 440 looks like a 650. Side by side or inside you can tell which car is more expensive. Hint its not the 440.
This is why I think Acura should have kept the original (early 2000's) shield grille and just tweaked it. It really is not wise to keep changing the grille every 3 years. Yeah it wasn't crazy, but it was elegant IMHO.
Originally Posted by CheeseyPoofs McNut
The upcoming RDX will be a lot of fun . Given that that's *the* hot segment I would think they're going to give %150 effort to hit a home run.
How would you handle it? I don't know of any major car manufacturer that rolls out major updates on a yearly basis. Given the low volume of sales for Acura how is reasonable that they shorten the model release cycle in order to stay current with the rapidly changing technology?
I would hahdle it by putting tech into my cars that is more advanced than current mainstream cars. You make it sound like Acura is putting top level tech in their cars and we're expecting them to keep changing it yearly. When really we're only asking for a navigation and UI that isn't from 2003. The Acura lineup should ALWAYS be ahead of the Honda lineup. I understand why they had to do what they did with the Accord (have you seen what you can get in the mainstream mid-size sedan market?, literally almost any luxury feature) but what I am saying is that the TLX should have alread had what the Accord has since 2014.
Originally Posted by reddogTL
Had a 2017 RDX as a loaner and the MID display on the dash was identical to the MID display on my old 07 TL.
The CRV AWD system has no business in an RDX. They really need to bring back SH-AWD for the RDX. The MDX driving dynamics is highly regarded by the car review mags because of its drivetrain.
When I would take my 2007 RDX with SH-AWD in for service the dealer would give me a 2017 RDX to drive sometimes and let me tell you I was counting down the minutes to get back into my car that was 10 years older. The CRV AWD system has NO BUSINESS in an RDX period! SH-AWD is the only thing that makes Honda's FWD architecture ok.
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