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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 06:44 PM
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I wouldn't own a GM product, other than that.
I agree, except I wouldn't mind having a 5th gen Camaro, Z06, ZR1, GMT 900 SUV, or the Buick/Saturn/GMC crossovers.

I'd purchase a CTS-V though.
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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great, the real question is what is ACURA doing ????????????
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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I'm actually looking hard at a fully loaded CTS even though I really like my RL. I will likely wait until the CTS-V comes out to make any kind of decision, though.

I can't believe that I'm considering an American car, but that car is droolworthy. Plus, you can get current weather conditions on the navi, how cool is that?
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 01:22 AM
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The 400hp high power Pontiac GTO didn't sell very well. Possibility that the CTS-V will go the same way ?
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
I'm actually looking hard at a fully loaded CTS even though I really like my RL. I will likely wait until the CTS-V comes out to make any kind of decision, though.

I can't believe that I'm considering an American car, but that car is droolworthy. Plus, you can get current weather conditions on the navi, how cool is that?
I dont think you would be disappointed making the switch. I know i wouldnt. The caddy is far more car than the RL (imo after having driven both) not to mention cheaper. I think acura is in trouble and needs to do some good catching up
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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The 400hp high power Pontiac GTO didn't sell very well. Possibility that the CTS-V will go the same way ?

different demo....and it's a coupe vs. a sedan.

with that said, it looks like a winner with either powerplant under the hood, i think i'd rather have the blown 6.2. but i won't be signing any cadillac paperwork anytime soon, so i can wait
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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Holy crap.

Please, Acura, I beg of you to find a reason to keep me in the fold. Oh please, please, please, please, supercharge the RL or put a V8 in it. Gimme a real sports sedan. Market A-Spec. PLEASE!

Otherwise, this is at the top of the list as neuronbob's next car. I am not kidding. I will gladly support my American manufacturers when they make sweet cars like this.

I KNOW I'm not the only Acura fan thinking this.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by neuronbob
Holy crap.

I KNOW I'm not the only Acura fan thinking this.

No question the V is an impressive car, but if you look at the sales figures, the reality is that demand is pretty low for a $70 gizzle Caddy.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by neuronbob

I KNOW I'm not the only Acura fan thinking this.
No your not. Caddy (GM) is making a Very nice car!
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:17 PM
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I KNOW I'm not the only Acura fan thinking this.
Definitely not. I'd love to have this car. I'm hoping it's not discounted too badly either so the car has better residual than the previous generation.
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
No question the V is an impressive car, but if you look at the sales figures, the reality is that demand is pretty low for a $70 gizzle Caddy.

I think this might be the breakthrough car for Cadillac in that price range.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
No question the V is an impressive car, but if you look at the sales figures, the reality is that demand is pretty low for a $70 gizzle Caddy.
I would consider paying that, but based on the last gen CTS-V starting at $51k, I doubt it will be that expensive. That only adds to the allure. After the first model year for the new CTS-V, if Acura hasn't come up with something to keep me here, this is probably my next car. I just want someone else to wean out the first-year bugs.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my 2G RL and the reliability that goes along with it. I'm just thinking ahead.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
No question the V is an impressive car, but if you look at the sales figures, the reality is that demand is pretty low for a $70 gizzle Caddy.
Expensive cars almost always have low sales figures because few people can afford them. But even so, car makers are still making big money because the profit margin is hugh on every expensive cars they sold.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:37 PM
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^^ I don't disagree, just saying that Caddy doesn't command a premium compared to M, AMG, RS...etc. They haven't earned that kind of credibility, YET.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
^^ I don't disagree, just saying that Caddy doesn't command a premium compared to M, AMG, RS...etc. They haven't earned that kind of credibility, YET.
Agreed.

I'm afraid to sit in a CTS. I might be tempted to sell a kidney. Or part of my liver. It grows back right? Right?
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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^^ I don't disagree, just saying that Caddy doesn't command a premium compared to M, AMG, RS...etc. They haven't earned that kind of credibility, YET.
Yes, no Caddy can command the same level of premium as the M, AMG, S/RS. But when GM is making no money or even losing money on most cars it builds, the premium that the V-line Caddies will mean a big deal to GM in terms of profit making. When you start working out the numbers from negative to positive, the profit margin seems hugh.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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I'm not even a Honda/Acura fan anymore.... GM & BMW have swayed me. I haven't even driven a newer Audi or MB yet, but the only Honda I would buy, if any at all, would be an S2000.

I really don't care what brand it is, but if I had the money, I would buy a Hyundai for $60,000 or whatever it would cost if it looked good, is built well, has a 500 HP V8 powerplant in a luxurious RWD package and handled like it was on rails.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
The 400hp high power Pontiac GTO didn't sell very well. Possibility that the CTS-V will go the same way ?
hopefully it does! then they'll pass the savings down to us, haha.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
^^ I don't disagree, just saying that Caddy doesn't command a premium compared to M, AMG, RS...etc. They haven't earned that kind of credibility, YET.
Not to mention the fact that the current exchange rate (vs the Euro) would make that price parity even less likely.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:48 AM
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I just think of this car as a better alternative to a Corvette because it's almost as fast a Vette and more practical. I thought the first gen CTS-V was hot already.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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^ +1

I've been perusing the Cadillac boards the last few days. It appears that many CTS-V owners have traded from Corvettes. Makes sense, I can't put a baby seat (and later, a booster seat), in a Corvette.

Amazingly, there aren't that many posts about problems with the current gen CTS-V. I thought that this particular GM product would be rife with issues.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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^ +1

I've been perusing the Cadillac boards the last few days. It appears that many CTS-V owners have traded from Corvettes. Makes sense, I can't put a baby seat (and later, a booster seat), in a Corvette.

Amazingly, there aren't that many posts about problems with the current gen CTS-V. I thought that this particular GM product would be rife with issues.
The differential issue seems to be lingering with no resolution.

While I wouldn't put any of my housing fund towards a new V. I would seriously consider picking one up in the next 2-3 years.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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Amazingly, there aren't that many posts about problems with the current gen CTS-V. I thought that this particular GM product would be rife with issues.
The vehicles in the luxo GM lines, such as Lincoln and Cadillac, are always built with higher quality than those in the mass market GM lines. GM pays more attention to the luxury lines. The premium that these luxo vehicles carry translate to comparatively better quality and reliability. Again, it's you get what you pay for.
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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
The vehicles in the luxo GM lines, such as Lincoln and Cadillac, are always built with higher quality than those in the mass market GM lines. GM pays more attention to the luxury lines. The premium that these luxo vehicles carry translate to comparatively better quality and reliability. Again, it's you get what you pay for.
I agree, but I also have to note that Lincoln is the luxury division of Ford.

And I don't know if you were all aware of this, but streetfire.net user "cjonesy" had a 2006 CTS-V (LS2 engine) and it was pretty much a lemon. While this is a rare case it was well documented and had a lot of response from the streetfire community.

WARNING: NWS language
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...a500aa04d9.htm

While it is a rare case (My LS1 has had no problems so far, except for a common "piston slap" noise during cold startups which has no effect on performance) The LS series engines are damn reliable, but cjonesy's CTS-V was a complete lemon. He had a laundry list of things that went wrong with his car which may intimidate you. Makes me want to carry a camcorder in the trunk at all times. I'll also mention that the video is fucking hilarious.

Cadillac did eventually rectify themselves. He did, however, say this:

cjonesy (August 03, 2007) score (0)
Cadillac did the right thing and bought the car back. They were really great about it this last time around. The 2009 CTS-V will have an improved interior, 600hp and a stronger diff. Don't write them off. It should be a great car. CTS-V's aren't crap, just the particular one I got. I doubt there's a car made that hasn't had someone lemon law it. Just so happened that in this case that person runs a big car site and had a camera in the trunk. Move on, nothing to see here people
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I agree, but I also have to note that Lincoln is the luxury division of Ford.

And I don't know if you were all aware of this, but streetfire.net user "cjonesy" had a 2006 CTS-V (LS2 engine) and it was pretty much a lemon. While this is a rare case it was well documented and had a lot of response from the streetfire community.

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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...a500aa04d9.htm

While it is a rare case (My LS1 has had no problems so far, except for a common "piston slap" noise during cold startups which has no effect on performance) The LS series engines are damn reliable, but cjonesy's CTS-V was a complete lemon. He had a laundry list of things that went wrong with his car which may intimidate you. Makes me want to carry a camcorder in the trunk at all times. I'll also mention that the video is fucking hilarious.

Cadillac did eventually rectify themselves. He did, however, say this:
Yeah but cjonesy was a fucking drama queen about it and it got VERY contentious between him and Cadillac before they bought the car back.
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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Yeah but cjonesy was a fucking drama queen about it and it got VERY contentious between him and Cadillac before they bought the car back.


I agree, what a drama queen. All the same, he did have a right to be upset.
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i watched about 2 minutes of that vid, he was very dramatic about it,and rightly so, $51g's that won't run right would have me thru the roof. but his experience wouldn't sway me one bit from buying another GM product.
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SodaLuvr---loved your tag line:
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. Spoilers and bodykits are how much of the wall you take with you. Rollcages and windownets are how much of a mess you leave on the wall.

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SodaLuvr---loved your tag line:
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. Spoilers and bodykits are how much of the wall you take with you. Rollcages and windownets are how much of a mess you leave on the wall.

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^ I've actually sat in the new Malibu, it's a pretty decent car. GM is showing off that horrid orange interior in their press photos, but I sat in one with the tan interior. Soft touch dash, good quality plastics, chrome ringed gauges...it is a very nice interior.

And the outside is also very good. The only complaint I had was the rear lights...it just look like such an afterthought! No smooth integration whatsoever.
In my pursuits of the CTS, I drove the new Malibu and I have to give GM the nod. They packed a lot of cool features into a nice price tag. I would only look at the LTZ trim line...very nice dash/gages, lots of little extras all around. It drove okay. Remeber I was comparing it to the TL and CTS and it was getting out classed by the ride...but the interior was giving it a run for the money. but it was too small for my needs.
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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This is great!

Originally Posted by dlieber
SodaLuvr---loved your tag line:
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. Spoilers and bodykits are how much of the wall you take with you. Rollcages and windownets are how much of a mess you leave on the wall.

David
I am going to test drive the CTS this weekend. I really want to wait for the CTS-V because that would be a step up from the RL (500+ hp FTW!) , but will try a CTS4 (AWD) DI with FE2 package, which is available at many dealers around my area.

I'm still in shock that GM actually hit the mark with this car. We Americans are not so fat and lazy that we've lost our drive to innovate, after all. Thank goodness.
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Old Dec 30, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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I think acura is in trouble and needs to do some good catching up
That's the story of Acura for 2007. Maybe I'm living under a rock, but is anyone talking about anything Acura-related lately? Between the vaporware NSX concept and "We want to rival Bentley and Maybach..." they've lost a lot of ground.

The CTS truly deserves COTY...it's too bad that MT squandered its credibility shilling for American cars that clearly didn't deserve it.

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2009 NAIAS: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V Specs

For release: Jan. 14, 2008, 12:01 a.m. EST
2009 CTS-V: CADILLAC’S ULTIMATE EXPRESSION OF PERFORMANCE AND LUXURY

DETROIT – As the new CTS sport sedan earns accolades and new owners, Cadillac takes the next leap forward by premiering the 2009 CTS-V, the brand’s ultimate expression of performance and luxury.

Launching in the fourth quarter of 2008, the all-new CTS-V intends to combine the serious performance of an elite sports car with the poise and elegance of a prestigious luxury sedan. Part of Cadillac’s acclaimed V-Series of high-performance models, CTS-V delivers an estimated 550 horsepower (410 kW). More than just power, CTS-V also includes a comprehensive suite of technical and design enhancements, including Magnetic Ride Control, an industry-first Performance Traction Management program and the addition of a new automatic transmission with paddle-shift control.

“The CTS-V represents the full extension of our design, technology and performance capabilities,” says Jim Taylor, Cadillac general manager. “The V-Series takes the award-winning CTS sport sedan and elevates it to a position within the club of the world’s most exclusive and capable cars.”

As an all-new version of the CTS sport sedan was prepared for 2008, Cadillac engineers and designers began to scheme a new CTS-V that would reach much higher in terms of performance and luxury. Through the original CTS-V, Cadillac proved it could develop a very potent, high-performance sedan. The challenge for the 2009 model was enhancing every aspect in a comprehensive manner, along with reaching higher performance limits.

Several key technical and design elements combine to transform the already highly capable CTS into the new V-Series. Like the existing CTS, the V-Series is the product of an intensive development process across North America and Europe, including famed test tracks and millions of miles of road. Supporting Cadillac’s ongoing global expansion, the 2009 CTS-V is planned to be offered outside North America for the first time, including exports to Europe, the Middle East and Asia.

Sophisticated technical enhancements

The 2009 Cadillac CTS-V features the world’s fastest-reacting suspension technology, Magnetic Ride Control (MRC). It uses shocks controlled by electro-magnets, rather than mechanical valves, greatly accelerating response time. Electronic sensors at all four wheels literally “read the road” every millisecond, making constant adjustments to damping to create virtually instantaneous and extremely precise control of body motions. This is of particular benefit for a high-performance sedan, helping to keep the car very composed during hard cornering, acceleration, braking and other dynamic maneuvers.

MRC technology first appeared on the Cadillac STS performance sedan and has been used on some of the world’s most celebrated cars, including the Chevrolet Corvette and a select few European sports cars.

Enabling the precise control expected in a high-performance sedan, the CTS-V features Performance Traction Management system, borrowed from championship racing teams. This technology uses advanced electronics to manage engine torque for optimal traction during acceleration. In situations such as acceleration from a stop or exiting corners, Performance Traction Management regulates torque delivery for the best possible launch.

Performance Traction Management uses the same sort of electronics as stability control programs such as Cadillac’s StabiliTrak system, but applies it in a different manner. Rather than monitoring and controlling wheel slip to assist in stopping or slowing the car, PTM regulates torque delivery to instantly match the available tire grip for maximum acceleration.

CTS-V also includes sophisticated braking and tire systems, in partnership with two companies renown for high-performance technology: Brembo and Michelin. Brembo brakes are at all four corners and include powerful, six-piston calipers in the front and four-piston calipers in the rear. Michelin worked with Cadillac engineers to develop its acclaimed Pilot Sport 2 (PS2) summer tire for CTS-V and its 19-inch wheels.

And, of course, there is the matter of power. It has increased nearly 35 percent for the ’09 CTS-V, via a new 6.2L LSA supercharged V-8 engine generating an estimated 550 hp (410 kW) and 550 lb.-ft. (745 Nm) of torque. The engine delivers this power with remarkable refinement. A sixth-generation Eaton supercharger minimizes the added noise previously associated with supercharged engines, and tightly controls intake air temperature for optimal performance.

Transmission choices include either a six-speed manual or an exclusive, six-speed automatic with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. It is the first automatic offered on the CTS-V.

Accentuated design elements

The 2009 CTS-V extends Cadillac’s acclaimed design language, both inside and out. The V-Series includes all the elements of the CTS sport sedan’s well received cabin, while adding some elegant and purposeful accents.

V-Series will offer Recaro performance driving seats, providing excellent support for spirited driving and adding to the luxurious and purposeful interior. These new, 14-way adjustable performance seats include pneumatic bolster controls in the seat cushion and backrest.

A microfiber material is added to the steering wheel, seats and shifter, providing the soft feel and luxurious appearance of suede without suede’s inherent drawbacks of difficult care and moisture sensitivity. These accents on the steering wheel, seat inserts and shifter are elegant to the touch and help support high-performance driving.

The car’s integrated center stack is trimmed with a new Obsidian material that is also applied to the center console and door trim. Just like every CTS, the V-Series includes a hand-stitched instrument panel, door trim and center console. Leading-edge infotainment features, including a 40-gigabyte hard drive, advanced navigation system with a “pop-up” screen and Bose digital surround audio, extend to the V-Series, as well as factory-installed Bluetooth capability.

The exterior of the new CTS-V amplifies the assertive stance and elegant details of the standard car, and communicates the car’s remarkable capabilities. The dihedral Cadillac grille is larger to enable more air intake and features a satin finish. The raised hood encompasses the supercharged engine, and new front and rear fascias identify the vehicle as a V-Series. The car’s 19-inch wheels enhance its stance on the road.

The founding member of the V-Series, CTS-V was initially offered in 2004 and sold primarily in North America through the 2007 model year. The supercharged STS-V and XLR-V were added in 2006 to make the V-Series an exclusive trio of models all capable of zero-to-60 acceleration in less than five seconds with enhanced overall performance and luxury features.
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Sweet. I cant wait till some Track numbers come out of what this beast will do
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All I need to know is the price. If it's reasonable (e.g. less than the M5, etc) as it was for the first generation, I hope to get this.

With the 6AT, this car is going to sell a hell of a lot better than the 1G CTS-V.
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Now that the second generation Cadillac CTS is on the streets and garnering largely positive reviews for its looks, performance and handling dynamics, the time has come to turn it up a notch. The 2008 Detroit Auto Show will bring us the second generation high-performance CTS-V model. Just as the original 2004 version used an engine derived from the top Corvette of the time, so too does the new model. The 2009 CTS-V leap-frogs its chief competitor - the BMW M5 - with GM's new LSA V8 derived from the LS9 in the Corvette ZR1.

The goal of the CTS-V development team was to create a car with the poise and sophistication of the best luxury sedans melded with the outstanding performance of a high sports car. To achieve that they installed the supercharged 6.2L V-8 with an output of 550 horsepower and 550 lb-ft of torque into a heavily upgraded chassis and then went about dressing up both the interior and exterior to match.







http://www.autoblog.com/photos/detro...-cts-v/556410/
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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Nice work GM!!!
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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That high gloss black interior looks SUITE!!!!!!

GM FTW!!!! CTS-V is executed perfectly!......now let's see the price.
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Old Jan 8, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
......now let's see the price.
I think that's the part where most are going to be depressed.....expect no less than $62k-$65k. And I'm sure they'll be a $2k GG tax give or take.
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