Started my car today abs the abs vsa and they won't turn off. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Wheel speed sensor?

 

Without pulling out the error code(s), it's hard to diagnose.

 

2009 AWD TL. I pulled the code 86-1 ABS Module. Has anyone ever heard the before?

 

Took the car to Acura it needs a ABS Module (ABS Pump) 1700.00 to fix.
Is this a common problem? Looking for the part used. Not impressed at all with this.

 

wtf its behaving like a bimmer now

 

OK, you have a 2009 model, which makes it around 5 years old. Ever replaced the brake fluid? its supposed to be replaced every 3-years, and since I live where it is cold and snowy (high humidity) in the winter, do it every year. Otherwise, the ABS pump can rust, and fail. Or sludge can build-up inside and jam the solenoids.

Sorry, you have this problem - but careful with a used pump-unit. If it has been sitting in the wrecking yard for months/ years, it will probably also be rusted inside.

A SUGGESTION: it may be possible to *fix* your problem. First, I suggest that you have the brake system power flushed. That might free the pump solenoids. Even so, after the power flush, you would still need to manually flush the entire system by hand. There are a number of threads in the TL section, I think the 3-gen forum, on how to do that.

The idea is that you must get as much sludge and rust out of the system as possible. After the power flush, and manual flush, a bit of careful driving may heat the fluid enough to free up the pump. Certainly, it will cause the pump to cycle, which cycles the fluid through the entire pump and solenoids, and back into the master cylinder. You can judge progress, by looking at the fluid in the master cylinder clear *tank*.

Then perform a second power or manual flush. You would be able to tell if this procedure is working, by noting the color and *texture* of the fluid which you pump out of the system.

You must be removing perfectly clear brake fluid out of the wheel brake cylinders, just as new as the fluid you are pouring into the master cylinder.

AND ONLY USE HONDA BRAKE FLUID. It may cost a bit more, but its different than other dot-3 fluids. Your choice of course, but you are the one with the problem.

 

Some general info about brake fluid here:
https://acurazine.com/forums/1g-rdx-diy-faq-161/comments-%96-honda-dot3-brake-fluid-comparison-873329/

 

Dcmodel you're right that the brake fluid may not have been flushed. I bought the car just a year ago. I will do a brake flush this weekend. I will report back.

 

Even at 5 years there should not be a moisture/ rust problem, unless the brake master cylinder cap is often removed. Unfortunately, the Quickie-Lube places routinely remove that cap with each oil change. That is not necessary, because you can see the fluid level through the clear plastic tank, but they do it anyway.

More likely you have a sludge problem. And one or more flushes may flush out enough sludge to allow the ABS pump solenoids to move. I would be interested in the *look* of your brake fluid: color, suspended deposits, etc. Is it mostly clear, or does it look like mud?

If doing your own flush, remember to remove fluid from the master cylinder, down to the LOW mark, before starting the flush. OTherwise, you will be pushing whatever is in the MC throughout the entire system, including the ABS pump.

and under NO circumstances attempt to wipe out (clean) the master cylinder tank. The tiniest piece of lint will only jam the ABS pump solenoids.

I use a EAR plastic *eye-dropper* I get from the local pharmacy, to remove brake fluid from the master cylinder tank. And with careful use, I can suction-up any sludge inthe bottom of the tank.


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It is also possible that you have an electrical problem, rather than a mechanical one, with the ABS pump. Check carefully any connectors to the ABS pump. Check for corrosion on the connector pins. Use silicone di-electric lube when reconnecting any connector that you have disconnected.

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and you might get a second opinion from another dealer or independent shop. In particular, ask if there is more than one reason for the DTC you got. I would look in my FSM for diagnostics, but I have the RDX manual.

 

From curiosity, I checked online for used ABS/ VSA control units for a 2009 TL: standard price is $400 (with a $5 off coupon - joke). Lots of them for sale, so perhaps a used unit is actually a viable possiblity. I did not see any sort of warranty, however. The OP indicated interest, so perhaps they are capable of replacing one themselves - it does simply unbolt and unplug. Not sure I would try it. I assume the $1700 price included labor? Pretty pricy item, what?

 

Today I ordered a used ABS Pump for 395 from Florida. I should be getting it next week. I drive way to much to not have ABS working. I will post pics of the internal of my old pump to show what poor serving does. I was going to flush the system but with the cold weather and the time it would take I just opted to change it.