STOPTECH Big Brake Kit by Excelerate Performance!!!
#41
Racer
-DeL
#43
It's time to resurrect this thread. We are just about to finish our 2nd and 3rd gen TL BBK by STOPTECH and I think it's a great time to get this project going, seeing that there is a lot of interest in BBK's recently. All we need is a test fitter to begin and 5 people interested in purchasing. So let's create a new list.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
#47
Racer
It's time to resurrect this thread. We are just about to finish our 2nd and 3rd gen TL BBK by STOPTECH and I think it's a great time to get this project going, seeing that there is a lot of interest in BBK's recently. All we need is a test fitter to begin and 5 people interested in purchasing. So let's create a new list.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
-DeL
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eazy (02-18-2012)
#51
Team Owner
I just have to throw my .02 as a Rotora user for the last few years.
I would never buy a Rotora kit as long as you have kits like Stoptech for about the same price if it's performance or ethics you're after. Rotora does not properly size piston area to make up for the larger rotors so you end up with more front bias and longer than stock braking distances. I have measurements over 20 stops with the stock brakes and with the Rotoras on the same patch of road and on the same tires.
Many won't care about business ethics but I'll throw this out there. I bought my Rotora BBK a few years ago. They used the 1pc rotors. I've been through several sets of pads but this time I developed a large crack in one of the rotors. I was annoyed but figured I would just order a pair of new rotors. Well come to find out the 1pc rotors have been discontinued. No problem, I'll order the more expensive 2pc rotors. That won't work either because the caliper meant for the narrower 1pc rotor is too narrow for the wider 2pc rotor. So what I was faced with is replacing both the calipers and rotors leaving only the stainless lines and mounting brackets remaining of the original kit.
Rotora was nice enough to offer the 2pc kit for only $995 AFTER they received my old kit. So my daily driver would be down for at least 2 weeks and it would cost me $950. No stock of the 1pc rotors. No announcement so those of us with the 1pc kit could stock up. I had a cure though. I bought the Stoptech kit.
The Rotora kits look nice but they're not really used on any serious cars. Stoptech has a rich racing history behind it and I've seen some of the extensive testing they do on regular factory cars. Rotora seems to just slap whatever caliper and rotor will fit on there and leave it at that.
I would never buy a Rotora kit as long as you have kits like Stoptech for about the same price if it's performance or ethics you're after. Rotora does not properly size piston area to make up for the larger rotors so you end up with more front bias and longer than stock braking distances. I have measurements over 20 stops with the stock brakes and with the Rotoras on the same patch of road and on the same tires.
Many won't care about business ethics but I'll throw this out there. I bought my Rotora BBK a few years ago. They used the 1pc rotors. I've been through several sets of pads but this time I developed a large crack in one of the rotors. I was annoyed but figured I would just order a pair of new rotors. Well come to find out the 1pc rotors have been discontinued. No problem, I'll order the more expensive 2pc rotors. That won't work either because the caliper meant for the narrower 1pc rotor is too narrow for the wider 2pc rotor. So what I was faced with is replacing both the calipers and rotors leaving only the stainless lines and mounting brackets remaining of the original kit.
Rotora was nice enough to offer the 2pc kit for only $995 AFTER they received my old kit. So my daily driver would be down for at least 2 weeks and it would cost me $950. No stock of the 1pc rotors. No announcement so those of us with the 1pc kit could stock up. I had a cure though. I bought the Stoptech kit.
The Rotora kits look nice but they're not really used on any serious cars. Stoptech has a rich racing history behind it and I've seen some of the extensive testing they do on regular factory cars. Rotora seems to just slap whatever caliper and rotor will fit on there and leave it at that.
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#53
It's time to resurrect this thread. We are just about to finish our 2nd and 3rd gen TL BBK by STOPTECH and I think it's a great time to get this project going, seeing that there is a lot of interest in BBK's recently. All we need is a test fitter to begin and 5 people interested in purchasing. So let's create a new list.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
Remember this will be an XLR8 Big Brake Kit engineered and manufactured by STOPTECH. It will include 4 piston calipers (red, black or silver), 355mm 2 piece discs with aluminum hubs and curved vanes, STOPTECH Performance pads, stainless steel brake lines, caliper brackets and hardware. The kit will go for about $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US Here is a picture for reference:
Also, one of the reasons we chose STOPTECH is because they put a significant amount of R&D behind every kit. They don't just slap on a big caliper with oversized pistons. They design a kit based on how it will perform. The BBK will actually reduce stopping distances, unlike many of the kits on the market.
What about your package that includes STOPTECH Drilled and Slotted Rotors with STOPTECH Ceramic Pads - Front and Rear? How would they compare? What are the differences? Sorry for the dumb Q.
#54
What we're talking about in this thread is a Big Brake Kit with larger rotors, pads, and larger 4 piston calipers. The brake package works with the factory caliper. The brake package is a significant upgrade over stock and it includes all 4 rotors and pads. The BBK is only for the front but it is a significant upgrade over the brake package. The BBK offers less brake fade, less chance of distortion, lighter weight, better heat dissipation, and more equal dispersion of brake force (4 pistons apply evenly against pad instead of a single piston applying against pad).
#55
Three Wheelin'
Just as an FYI -- OEM's are dual front piston calipers, rears are single...
#56
Racer
-DEL
#57
There will be a choice of red, black or silver calipers; drilled rotors will be $100 extra and zinc coating will be $70 extra. Anyone who purchases on the initial run will get the kit for $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US for the standard color/slotted rotor combination. We will need a 50% deposit up front for the BBK and 50% will be due when the parts are ready to ship.
So those of you who were on the list and who are ready to pull the trigger please re-confirm your name. We are ready to move forward with the R&D phase and I need to get names and deposits. Thanks.
#58
2010 SH-AWD TL
Yes, was thinking of 3G TL's. Sorry. Either way, the principle still applies. 4 pistons pushing equally on both sides is superior to 2 pistons pushing on one side.
Excelerate Performance is proud to announce a strategic partnership with STOPTECH in producing a Big Brake Kit for the 09+ TL. To make this BBK come closer to reality and production I am going to need 6 purchasers. We will also need a test-fitter in the So Cal so that we can produce the kit. Based on our experience and speaking with STOPTECH I'm thinking a 4-piston 355mm disc will be the best setup.
There will be a choice of red, black or silver calipers; drilled rotors will be $100 extra and zinc coating will be $70 extra. Anyone who purchases on the initial run will get the kit for $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US for the standard color/slotted rotor combination. We will need a 50% deposit up front for the BBK and 50% will be due when the parts are ready to ship.
So those of you who were on the list and who are ready to pull the trigger please re-confirm your name. We are ready to move forward with the R&D phase and I need to get names and deposits. Thanks.
Excelerate Performance is proud to announce a strategic partnership with STOPTECH in producing a Big Brake Kit for the 09+ TL. To make this BBK come closer to reality and production I am going to need 6 purchasers. We will also need a test-fitter in the So Cal so that we can produce the kit. Based on our experience and speaking with STOPTECH I'm thinking a 4-piston 355mm disc will be the best setup.
There will be a choice of red, black or silver calipers; drilled rotors will be $100 extra and zinc coating will be $70 extra. Anyone who purchases on the initial run will get the kit for $2195 shipped to the cont 48 US for the standard color/slotted rotor combination. We will need a 50% deposit up front for the BBK and 50% will be due when the parts are ready to ship.
So those of you who were on the list and who are ready to pull the trigger please re-confirm your name. We are ready to move forward with the R&D phase and I need to get names and deposits. Thanks.
#60
Racer
So, am I not the test fitter no more??
#61
2010 SH-AWD TL
Oh, then I can't, its my only car.
#65
I haven't made that determination yet. Typically whoever the test fitter is needs to have the BBK on their car because they need to do a driving evaluation and they aren't going to remove the BBK afterwards. Before I even worry about who is going to be the test fitter we need to get a list of people interested.
Yes, this is for the front BBK. A rear BBK is unnecessary as only 25% of the braking is done in the rear typically.
Yes, this is for the front BBK. A rear BBK is unnecessary as only 25% of the braking is done in the rear typically.
#66
6G TLX-S
#67
Team Owner
#68
Well a front and rear BBK would easily cost $5k. However, I have no desire to create a rear BBK for this vehicle. STOPTECH took a lot of time developing a rear BBK for the TSX and I've never even sold one and I highly doubt they sold many either. It's a waste of time and money IMO. Sure, it would look better but for $2500-$3000 more it's not worth it. I have two 500+ HP vehicles and both have STOPTECH front BBK's only. I painted the rear caliper to match and called it a day. The difference was night and day after the front BBK installation and it was one of the best mods I've done on either car, aesthetically and mechanically.
#69
Racer
I haven't made that determination yet. Typically whoever the test fitter is needs to have the BBK on their car because they need to do a driving evaluation and they aren't going to remove the BBK afterwards. Before I even worry about who is going to be the test fitter we need to get a list of people interested.
-DeL
#70
6G TLX-S
Well a front and rear BBK would easily cost $5k. However, I have no desire to create a rear BBK for this vehicle. STOPTECH took a lot of time developing a rear BBK for the TSX and I've never even sold one and I highly doubt they sold many either. It's a waste of time and money IMO. Sure, it would look better but for $2500-$3000 more it's not worth it. I have two 500+ HP vehicles and both have STOPTECH front BBK's only. I painted the rear caliper to match and called it a day. The difference was night and day after the front BBK installation and it was one of the best mods I've done on either car, aesthetically and mechanically.
The key is cheap price, but still looks good; since you mentioned that a rear BBK is useless in function anyway.
This way, with matching front and rear aftermarket calipers, I'm sure it'll make the front BBK look attractive to even more customers.
To be honest, a car with front BBK and rear OEM calipers looks very odd-ball indeed. This may be one of the reasons why so few people are showing interest.
Last edited by Edward'TLS; 02-23-2012 at 06:18 PM.
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alienstudio (02-24-2012)
#72
Drifting
It's what the 07 TL-S had - front Brembo BBK and rear "normal" calipers. It was pretty successful.
Honestly - if you get Black front BBK, paint the rears black, it would look awesome, and 3k less than full BBK.
Honestly - if you get Black front BBK, paint the rears black, it would look awesome, and 3k less than full BBK.
#73
Team Owner
Is it possible to have STOPTECH to make available a set of direct bolt-on OEM-sized rear calipers with the same matching finish as the front BBK, for a couple hundred dollars (not thousands) more ?
The key is cheap price, but still looks good; since you mentioned that a rear BBK is useless in function anyway.
This way, with matching front and rear aftermarket calipers, I'm sure it'll make the front BBK look attractive to even more customers.
To be honest, a car with front BBK and rear OEM calipers looks very odd-ball indeed. This may be one of the reasons why so few people are showing interest.
The key is cheap price, but still looks good; since you mentioned that a rear BBK is useless in function anyway.
This way, with matching front and rear aftermarket calipers, I'm sure it'll make the front BBK look attractive to even more customers.
To be honest, a car with front BBK and rear OEM calipers looks very odd-ball indeed. This may be one of the reasons why so few people are showing interest.
Rotora makes a rear 13" kit. It might impress kids but when I see a nose heavy FWD car with a BBK on the rear the first thing that comes to mind is poser. Rotora is not exactly known for their racing heritage like Stoptech so it's no surprise Rotora makes a rear kit and Stoptech does not.
#75
Chapter Leader (Northeast Florida)
I can't imagine too many people would pay thousands of dollars for matching brakes when there's no performance to be gained. A caliper alone will be $800+.
Rotora makes a rear 13" kit. It might impress kids but when I see a nose heavy FWD car with a BBK on the rear the first thing that comes to mind is poser. Rotora is not exactly known for their racing heritage like Stoptech so it's no surprise Rotora makes a rear kit and Stoptech does not.
Rotora makes a rear 13" kit. It might impress kids but when I see a nose heavy FWD car with a BBK on the rear the first thing that comes to mind is poser. Rotora is not exactly known for their racing heritage like Stoptech so it's no surprise Rotora makes a rear kit and Stoptech does not.
The rear BBK that Rotora makes for the 4G is a huge improvement over the stock brakes looks and performance wish. Here's an example when i had my OEM E-brake I had to pull extremely hard to hold the car in place on a slight decline. Now with the rear Rotora BBK a slight pull on E-brake and the car stops. I've been to several race tracks and have seen GTR, BMW M, Supra's etc. with Rotora BBK. There were some issues years back with their brake system but within the last few years Rotora has significantly upgraded there brake system.
i could go on but this thread is about STOP-Tech BBK not Rotora personal reviews... and i agree with some of the other post the car does looks odd when you have a nice BBK in the front and a rusty painted rear OEM caliper with small rotors in the rear.
For those that want the rear StopTech BBK they should have that option. my.
Last edited by FYAH TL; 02-23-2012 at 11:16 PM.
#76
Team Owner
Rotora makes a BBK rear kit for the 4G that is 14". I have the Rotora BBK on my car front and rear for sometime now and haven't had any issues. The car stops on a dime and the Rotora BBK is far superior to OEM brakes. There's no comparison.
The rear BBK that Rotora makes for the 4G is a huge improvement over the stock brakes looks and performance wish. Here's an example when i had my OEM E-brake I had to pull extremely hard to hold the car in place on a slight decline. Now with the rear Rotora BBK a slight pull on E-brake and the car stops. I've been to several race tracks and have seen GTR, BMW M, Supra's etc. with Rotora BBK. There were some issues years back with their brake system but within the last few years Rotora has significantly upgraded there brake system.
i could go on but this thread is about STOP-Tech BBK not Rotora personal reviews... and i agree with some of the other post the car does looks odd when you have a nice BBK in the front and a rusty painted rear OEM caliper with small rotors in the rear.
For those that want the rear StopTech BBK they should have that option. my.
The rear BBK that Rotora makes for the 4G is a huge improvement over the stock brakes looks and performance wish. Here's an example when i had my OEM E-brake I had to pull extremely hard to hold the car in place on a slight decline. Now with the rear Rotora BBK a slight pull on E-brake and the car stops. I've been to several race tracks and have seen GTR, BMW M, Supra's etc. with Rotora BBK. There were some issues years back with their brake system but within the last few years Rotora has significantly upgraded there brake system.
i could go on but this thread is about STOP-Tech BBK not Rotora personal reviews... and i agree with some of the other post the car does looks odd when you have a nice BBK in the front and a rusty painted rear OEM caliper with small rotors in the rear.
For those that want the rear StopTech BBK they should have that option. my.
Rotora is junk for track use. I've been to the track many times as well but I was in my TL driving it with the Rotora BBK so I have a little experience with this
The first problem is stopping distances increased over the stock 11.8" brakes. Rotora does not take brake bias into account. You end up with a heavily front biased system that will not stop as short as stock brakes in a single stop. I did more than 10 stops with cool down between stops with each brake setup on the same tires and the same road.
Second, I still had to run race pads for track use because with only 258hp and 3500lbs they were fading. The main reason I wanted a BBK was to not have to swap out pads.
Third, I got about a hundred cracks in the rotors with the final blow being a crack all the way through the rotor becoming a safety hazard. This crack developed from street use.
Fourth, increased pedal travel because theres more piston area than stock.
So saying it "stops on a dime" and "far superior to stock brakes theres no comparison" is very educational and all but this is just your subjective opinion, the numbers tell a different story. I'm sure they stop your car just fine from redlight to redlight but if you took the time to measure stopping distances or took it to the track you would realize you spent thousands on looks. 14" rears are just retarded.
Why do people become so brand loyal that they get so defensive over an inanimate object. I ran rotora for nearly 4 years. I would never run them again based on their performance and business practices. Stoptech is the superior performer. Rotoras look nice. Whats the big deal?
#77
6G TLX-S
I can't imagine too many people would pay thousands of dollars for matching brakes when there's no performance to be gained. A caliper alone will be $800+.
Rotora makes a rear 13" kit. It might impress kids but when I see a nose heavy FWD car with a BBK on the rear the first thing that comes to mind is poser. Rotora is not exactly known for their racing heritage like Stoptech so it's no surprise Rotora makes a rear kit and Stoptech does not.
Rotora makes a rear 13" kit. It might impress kids but when I see a nose heavy FWD car with a BBK on the rear the first thing that comes to mind is poser. Rotora is not exactly known for their racing heritage like Stoptech so it's no surprise Rotora makes a rear kit and Stoptech does not.
I, too, can't imagine too many people would pay hundreds of dollars for some heavy-ass (even heavier than stock) 19"/20"/21" rims with which the extra dead weight will actually hurt performance, let alone performance gain. But still many DID, for what ? For the look of it. They simply like the look of these big rims.
There are many people who are willing to spend $$ not on performance, but on making their cars look better; and I'm pretty sure that a car with BBK front calipers and matching-finish rear calipers will also LOOK BETTER than one with BBK front and OEM rear calipers.
Besides, when even the RonJon front grille costs hundreds of dollars, so I don't think a couple more hundred dollars for a set of matching-look rear calipers is too out of reach for most who want their front-BBK'ed cars to look more complete.
Of course, DIY'ers can spray paint the rear OEM calipers by themselves. But throughout the 2G and 3G forums, members have reported back that they are not getting good results with DIY-painted calipers. They've tried numerous brake-caliper and even hi-heat paints, but the paint finishes all end up either flaking off or pitting heavily after some time and especially through harsh winter punishments.
That's why it is best to let the professional (a.k.a. BBK manufacturers) to do the matching finish on the rear OEM calipers for a long-lasting appearance, just like the expensive front BBK calipers.
#78
Chapter Leader (Northeast Florida)
So you want to get snooty.
Rotora is junk for track use. I've been to the track many times as well but I was in my TL driving it with the Rotora BBK so I have a little experience with this
The first problem is stopping distances increased over the stock 11.8" brakes. Rotora does not take brake bias into account. You end up with a heavily front biased system that will not stop as short as stock brakes in a single stop. I did more than 10 stops with cool down between stops with each brake setup on the same tires and the same road.
Second, I still had to run race pads for track use because with only 258hp and 3500lbs they were fading. The main reason I wanted a BBK was to not have to swap out pads.
Third, I got about a hundred cracks in the rotors with the final blow being a crack all the way through the rotor becoming a safety hazard. This crack developed from street use.
Fourth, increased pedal travel because theres more piston area than stock.
So saying it "stops on a dime" and "far superior to stock brakes theres no comparison" is very educational and all but this is just your subjective opinion, the numbers tell a different story. I'm sure they stop your car just fine from redlight to redlight but if you took the time to measure stopping distances or took it to the track you would realize you spent thousands on looks. 14" rears are just retarded.
Why do people become so brand loyal that they get so defensive over an inanimate object. I ran rotora for nearly 4 years. I would never run them again based on their performance and business practices. Stoptech is the superior performer. Rotoras look nice. Whats the big deal?
Rotora is junk for track use. I've been to the track many times as well but I was in my TL driving it with the Rotora BBK so I have a little experience with this
The first problem is stopping distances increased over the stock 11.8" brakes. Rotora does not take brake bias into account. You end up with a heavily front biased system that will not stop as short as stock brakes in a single stop. I did more than 10 stops with cool down between stops with each brake setup on the same tires and the same road.
Second, I still had to run race pads for track use because with only 258hp and 3500lbs they were fading. The main reason I wanted a BBK was to not have to swap out pads.
Third, I got about a hundred cracks in the rotors with the final blow being a crack all the way through the rotor becoming a safety hazard. This crack developed from street use.
Fourth, increased pedal travel because theres more piston area than stock.
So saying it "stops on a dime" and "far superior to stock brakes theres no comparison" is very educational and all but this is just your subjective opinion, the numbers tell a different story. I'm sure they stop your car just fine from redlight to redlight but if you took the time to measure stopping distances or took it to the track you would realize you spent thousands on looks. 14" rears are just retarded.
Why do people become so brand loyal that they get so defensive over an inanimate object. I ran rotora for nearly 4 years. I would never run them again based on their performance and business practices. Stoptech is the superior performer. Rotoras look nice. Whats the big deal?
Not everyone wants to take their car to the track some just want an upgrade to the OEM brakes......Sad to hear about your not so good experience....but so far the Rotora BBK looks and performance has far surpass the OEM brakes on my car.
Last edited by FYAH TL; 02-24-2012 at 07:04 AM.
#79
Is it possible to have STOPTECH to make available a set of direct bolt-on OEM-sized rear calipers with the same matching finish as the front BBK, for a couple hundred dollars (not thousands) more ?
The key is cheap price, but still looks good; since you mentioned that a rear BBK is useless in function anyway.
This way, with matching front and rear aftermarket calipers, I'm sure it'll make the front BBK look attractive to even more customers.
To be honest, a car with front BBK and rear OEM calipers looks very odd-ball indeed. This may be one of the reasons why so few people are showing interest.
The key is cheap price, but still looks good; since you mentioned that a rear BBK is useless in function anyway.
This way, with matching front and rear aftermarket calipers, I'm sure it'll make the front BBK look attractive to even more customers.
To be honest, a car with front BBK and rear OEM calipers looks very odd-ball indeed. This may be one of the reasons why so few people are showing interest.
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