Comptech Intake Prototype (FINALLY!)
12-01-2012, 05:12 AM
#82
Moderator
12-02-2012, 12:17 PM
#83
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
and a larger diameter throttle plate to be swapped in.
and a larger diameter throttle plate to be swapped in.
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12-03-2012, 03:15 PM
#86
Similar to a body builder in the 70s/80's determining that steroids are fine...
12-03-2012, 03:24 PM
#87
These J series engines NEED air. Many (civic owners, 2ndgen tl/cl) are upgrading intake manifolds and throttle bodies and seeing huge gains, we have seen sizable gains going from the stock intake manifold to the 09+ and we have seen gains modifying intakes to allow more flow over what the 09+ make . We have started going to 2 65mm throttle bodies just to get enough air into the engine. Any type of intake for these motors ARE going to see gains. Looking at the stock intake pics its just like the 2g/3g where it is drawing warm air thru the resonator from the engine compartment. Seeing gains like this from this doesnt surprise me.
Just replacing the intake alone on them wasn't worth a whole lot, actually the tuning alone provided more gain than the part...
Those hondas stock used MAF tuning logic, and using flashpro to switch to a MAP tuning logic allowed you to remove the MAF sensor itself which is a bottleneck of its own since it sits directly in the airflow stream.
The tuners also found they could get better/smoother AF readings and consistency using a MAP tune....
I imagine the same basic principles would apply to the J35, i learned that step 1 is a tuning solution, performance upgrades without tuning are a non starter...
12-05-2012, 09:14 PM
#89
Another 50+ HP to the wheels would be so nice with the AWD system. Don't get me wrong, I love the SH-AWD, but that extra power would compliment it nicely. I can only imagine what that power will be like in the new NSX w/ awd.
12-06-2012, 05:12 PM
#91
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
Maxbore is one of the best in the country. He's done two for me; my stock 64mm unit and a ZDX TB I have mated to a TL-SHAWD manifold. He opened up the ZDX unit from 69/79 to 72/82mm.
http://maxbore.com/index.html
http://maxbore.com/index.html
12-06-2012, 10:49 PM
#92
on a car like a TL, assuming all else is stock - would getting my TB bored my Maxbore reallly do much.. or would I be better off doing inake/exhaust/jpipe and doing a bored TB last....
I'm thinking a CT intake (when it's available) and a jpipe to start... then maybe a cat back exhaust.. then stuff like a bored TB...
I'm thinking a CT intake (when it's available) and a jpipe to start... then maybe a cat back exhaust.. then stuff like a bored TB...
12-06-2012, 11:04 PM
#93
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (2)
Probably not. Your TB is already pretty large compared to the stock 3G unit, so gains would be very minimal, if any. You're on the right track doing the conventional CAI and exhaust mods first. All J's seem to love more air though. 3.5-4" intakes are looking promising on even the 3.0 Accords that have supporting mods.
12-08-2012, 01:46 PM
#94
Senior Moderator
K20-series hondas (06-11) got their biggest gains from replacing the short runner'ed stock header for a longer runner'ed 4-2-1 racing style header... Which makes sense because it also involves removing/replacing the cat with a HFC or none at all, which is a big restriction...
Just replacing the intake alone on them wasn't worth a whole lot, actually the tuning alone provided more gain than the part...
Those hondas stock used MAF tuning logic, and using flashpro to switch to a MAP tuning logic allowed you to remove the MAF sensor itself which is a bottleneck of its own since it sits directly in the airflow stream.
The tuners also found they could get better/smoother AF readings and consistency using a MAP tune....
I imagine the same basic principles would apply to the J35, i learned that step 1 is a tuning solution, performance upgrades without tuning are a non starter...
Just replacing the intake alone on them wasn't worth a whole lot, actually the tuning alone provided more gain than the part...
Those hondas stock used MAF tuning logic, and using flashpro to switch to a MAP tuning logic allowed you to remove the MAF sensor itself which is a bottleneck of its own since it sits directly in the airflow stream.
The tuners also found they could get better/smoother AF readings and consistency using a MAP tune....
I imagine the same basic principles would apply to the J35, i learned that step 1 is a tuning solution, performance upgrades without tuning are a non starter...
Soon ill have a J37 built with Dual 65mm throttle bodies so i will see what kind of gains it will have (without a tune) over the 09 mani alone. (then i will get a full standalone tune)
Last edited by fsttyms1; 12-08-2012 at 01:49 PM.
12-13-2012, 04:10 PM
#97
Moderator
it would suck if the s/c was only made for the awd..
also i would assume the c/t ice box will work together with the c/t supercharger right?
also i would assume the c/t ice box will work together with the c/t supercharger right?
12-14-2012, 09:42 PM
#99
Senior Moderator
Its not a piggy back. It replaces the stock ECU. Not sure what tuning options are out there for the 4th gen, there is really only 1 for the 2nd gen and one for the 3rd (megasquirt)
12-17-2012, 08:59 PM
#100
Where do you get the intake? A google search of Comptech gives me nothing useful.
CT Engineering perhaps? Still, nothing shown on the site for the TL....just says "coming soon".
thanks
dd
thanks
dd
01-01-2013, 06:44 PM
#103
Got this reply from CT-Engineering on 12/18
David,
We do have an intake for the 2009+ TL's in the works. We have made a couple of prototype intakes and are doing some testing while we are waiting to put it into production. We should have a better idea of a release date in the next month or two.
The intakes that we have tested so far have made great power (16 WHP and 14 LB./FT. of torque.) Not bad for a simple bolt on intake.
If you 'Like' us on Facebook you can stay up to date on everything that we are doing and when new parts will be available.
If you have any other questions feel free to call or e-mail us anytime.
Thanks,
Chris Dwyer
CT Engineering
ph: (916) 635-4550 x.301
fx: (916) 635-4632
info@ct-engineering.com
www.ct-engineering.com
Become a Fan On Facebook!
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We do have an intake for the 2009+ TL's in the works. We have made a couple of prototype intakes and are doing some testing while we are waiting to put it into production. We should have a better idea of a release date in the next month or two.
The intakes that we have tested so far have made great power (16 WHP and 14 LB./FT. of torque.) Not bad for a simple bolt on intake.
If you 'Like' us on Facebook you can stay up to date on everything that we are doing and when new parts will be available.
If you have any other questions feel free to call or e-mail us anytime.
Thanks,
Chris Dwyer
CT Engineering
ph: (916) 635-4550 x.301
fx: (916) 635-4632
info@ct-engineering.com
www.ct-engineering.com
Become a Fan On Facebook!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/CT-Eng...50143473000721
01-01-2013, 06:50 PM
#104
I've had good success with CAI in the past...
...first on a Civic Si, then a BMW 330 CiC (also was chipped), and then a Lexus GS 430 (had a co-processer). Believe it or not, the Lexus was the most radical, made the most power and had the best sound (V8s are great for that).
So I'm hopeful and optimistic for the CT-Engineering work, even without ECU mods.
dd
So I'm hopeful and optimistic for the CT-Engineering work, even without ECU mods.
dd
01-09-2013, 02:51 PM
#107
^^^^
lololol. I lost count of how many times I called CT-E last year only to hear similar vague responses like the one diamondmit got. I've stopped anticipating it and have accepted the fact that the 4G TL will most likely be irrelevant by the time they release the ice box or blower.
lololol. I lost count of how many times I called CT-E last year only to hear similar vague responses like the one diamondmit got. I've stopped anticipating it and have accepted the fact that the 4G TL will most likely be irrelevant by the time they release the ice box or blower.
01-23-2013, 09:38 AM
#109
While it sucks for us to wait around for CTE to release parts.... I can see why they aren't rushing to market with aftermarket stuff. On a car like a TL....that retailed for $30k+... The average person who bought the car new is not a likely customer. If you look at the aftermarket parts market...it is far more likely that the people who mod cars are those that bought the, used. Yes, there are people who buy a brand new M5 and then immediately take it to Dinan and spend tons of money.... But by and large, more TL owners who will mod will not be the original owners. As the 4G TL ages and more of the owners / drivers are younger people who got them used / cheap - the market for mods and upgraded parts will increase. Maybe they are just smart and are waiting until the market is ripe.
The reality is that hardly anyone who buys a brand new 2013 TL would even consider a s/c. Bye bye warranty!
But in a few years when you can pick up a used 09 for under $20k....there will be a lot more people considering that mod....
If they release a s/c, intake, or other parts for our cars, it wouldn't surprise me if it's close or near to when the 5G comes out and our cars are no longer in production.
The reality is that hardly anyone who buys a brand new 2013 TL would even consider a s/c. Bye bye warranty!
But in a few years when you can pick up a used 09 for under $20k....there will be a lot more people considering that mod....
If they release a s/c, intake, or other parts for our cars, it wouldn't surprise me if it's close or near to when the 5G comes out and our cars are no longer in production.
Last edited by 23109VC; 01-23-2013 at 09:40 AM. Reason: typo
01-23-2013, 01:30 PM
#110
David,
We do have an intake for the 2009+ TL's in the works. We have made a couple of prototype intakes and are doing some testing while we are waiting to put it into production. We should have a better idea of a release date in the next month or two.
The intakes that we have tested so far have made great power (16 WHP and 14 LB./FT. of torque.) Not bad for a simple bolt on intake.
If you 'Like' us on Facebook you can stay up to date on everything that we are doing and when new parts will be available.
If you have any other questions feel free to call or e-mail us anytime.
Thanks,
Chris Dwyer
CT Engineering
ph: (916) 635-4550 x.301
fx: (916) 635-4632
We do have an intake for the 2009+ TL's in the works. We have made a couple of prototype intakes and are doing some testing while we are waiting to put it into production. We should have a better idea of a release date in the next month or two.
The intakes that we have tested so far have made great power (16 WHP and 14 LB./FT. of torque.) Not bad for a simple bolt on intake.
If you 'Like' us on Facebook you can stay up to date on everything that we are doing and when new parts will be available.
If you have any other questions feel free to call or e-mail us anytime.
Thanks,
Chris Dwyer
CT Engineering
ph: (916) 635-4550 x.301
fx: (916) 635-4632
01-25-2013, 08:18 AM
#115
Instructor
While it sucks for us to wait around for CTE to release parts.... I can see why they aren't rushing to market with aftermarket stuff. On a car like a TL....that retailed for $30k+... The average person who bought the car new is not a likely customer. If you look at the aftermarket parts market...it is far more likely that the people who mod cars are those that bought the, used. Yes, there are people who buy a brand new M5 and then immediately take it to Dinan and spend tons of money.... But by and large, more TL owners who will mod will not be the original owners. As the 4G TL ages and more of the owners / drivers are younger people who got them used / cheap - the market for mods and upgraded parts will increase. Maybe they are just smart and are waiting until the market is ripe.
The reality is that hardly anyone who buys a brand new 2013 TL would even consider a s/c. Bye bye warranty!
But in a few years when you can pick up a used 09 for under $20k....there will be a lot more people considering that mod....
If they release a s/c, intake, or other parts for our cars, it wouldn't surprise me if it's close or near to when the 5G comes out and our cars are no longer in production.
The reality is that hardly anyone who buys a brand new 2013 TL would even consider a s/c. Bye bye warranty!
But in a few years when you can pick up a used 09 for under $20k....there will be a lot more people considering that mod....
If they release a s/c, intake, or other parts for our cars, it wouldn't surprise me if it's close or near to when the 5G comes out and our cars are no longer in production.
Warranty is pretty much a joke anyway. Do you really think you're going to NEED a drivetrain warranty within 36K miles on a bone stock Honda engine? How many threads highlighting catastrophic engine failure on a bone stock TL (or any other Honda) have there been here? I've never seen one.
Even if you blow up a bone stock car and take it in under warranty they're going to say you were abusing it and void your warranty anyway.
01-25-2013, 01:26 PM
#116
Probably true for the most part, but I spent $41K on an Evo X and then went to Perrin almost immediately for a Stage III kit. Totally worth it.
Warranty is pretty much a joke anyway. Do you really think you're going to NEED a drivetrain warranty within 36K miles on a bone stock Honda engine? How many threads highlighting catastrophic engine failure on a bone stock TL (or any other Honda) have there been here? I've never seen one.
Even if you blow up a bone stock car and take it in under warranty they're going to say you were abusing it and void your warranty anyway.
Warranty is pretty much a joke anyway. Do you really think you're going to NEED a drivetrain warranty within 36K miles on a bone stock Honda engine? How many threads highlighting catastrophic engine failure on a bone stock TL (or any other Honda) have there been here? I've never seen one.
Even if you blow up a bone stock car and take it in under warranty they're going to say you were abusing it and void your warranty anyway.
warranties are insurance..sometimes you win sometimes you lose. i"m not planning on my engine blowing up - but you do get lots of little items that can nickel and dime you to death. the driveshaft they replaced on my RL was about a $2000 PART.... all paid for by my warranty.
my point was just that the performance parts market caters more to 2nd and 3rd owners... there are exceptions. Dinan sells parts for M5s and M3s... there is a market for mods to high end cars right out of the dealer.. but you're talking about people who have alrady paid through the nose for a car and those same people are willing to keep paying.
the EVO X market is nothing like the Acura TL market - when talking aftermarket mods. Good chance that 90% of EVO owners WILL mod their cars immediately after buying them new, whereas 90+% of Acura TL owners who buy NEW will NEVER mod them. The Tl is not a heavily modded car, but when the car hits owner #2, #3, etc that when the mods start happening... so people like CTE can probably make MORE money by releasing a part for the 2009-2012 TL if they released it now vs had they released it when the car was new.. because now that the 4G is falling into the hands of 2nd owners - they will get modded...
I just want an intake for my car that makes a few hp.... c'mon CTE.. get the CARB approval and get it for sale!!!
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01-25-2013, 01:47 PM
#117
Instructor
Sounds like someone beat the crap out of that RL then. There's no reason a drive shaft should go bad on a car like that. Given your previous situation I'd be more inclined to modify a brand new car - because I know some idiot didn't drive it before me and screw a bunch of stuff up that I'm going to have to RELY on a warranty to have fixed.
I still think the type of people who would be wiling to pay $350 for this CTE "intake," which is basically a replacement air box, aren't the type of people who are second and third owners of $40K cars. Third owners pick cars up 10 years in to their lives. How much can you get a 3G TL for now? $8-$10K? Someone who spends that on a car isn't going to spend $300 on an intake unless it's blingy. At that point you're looking at more of the Autozone/eBay aftermarket demographic vs authentic Japanese or non-garbage parts from someone like CTE. Just my
I still think the type of people who would be wiling to pay $350 for this CTE "intake," which is basically a replacement air box, aren't the type of people who are second and third owners of $40K cars. Third owners pick cars up 10 years in to their lives. How much can you get a 3G TL for now? $8-$10K? Someone who spends that on a car isn't going to spend $300 on an intake unless it's blingy. At that point you're looking at more of the Autozone/eBay aftermarket demographic vs authentic Japanese or non-garbage parts from someone like CTE. Just my
01-26-2013, 02:07 AM
#120
Moderator
comptech always push out products that produce nothing but good results.. i will place a order even before dynos just so i can have one.. my trust is in CT.. wont be suprised if it was back ordered.. get in line buddy