Pretty upset that the push button start only comes with the Tech package....

thoughts?

Steve

 

thoughts? why does acura have to put all the goodies on the basic car? everyone wants all the toys for free...gotta pay to play! The base TL has more tech goodies than your average base car in bmw, infiniti etc... all you guys want everything for free! geez..

 

no offense to acura but they CUT CORNERS everywhere and this is just another example...lexus has had push start standard on their IS and GS since their 06 models came and same with ES & LS starting with the 07 models...even CAMRY's come with push start (as an option I believe) how is Acura going to do the same with their "luxury line" TL model...Acura needs to get with the program and not just match but go ahead of the competition...they dont even have ventilated seats in the TL...the car is nice but a disappointment...45k for a loaded TL SHAWD tech...FUCK that i'll get a GS350 AWD 52k --> for 45k and it's still a better car haha

So yeah I clearly went all out on a small question

 

Find me a fully loaded TECH AWD car for 45$K...and something worth mentioning..that also matches performance

 

Jeez.

Why should Acura put push button start on the base car? They want people to buy the Tech package--->more profit. This is America, folks, that is how it works. I personally have no problem with a base car without all the features.

 

Meh, not a deal breaker for me.

The real deal breaker for me would be if they didn't have a MT option which is one of the main reasons I won't shop MB (E-class), Lexus ( IS-350 & GS xxx) or Infiniti (M xx).

 

Agree.
And let's hope that TL with MT will debut sooner than in fall next year.

 

+2 to that.

The fact that they've already got a 6MT to test indicates that is could be closer to production than everybody thinks. I predict a late winter-early spring availability. I don't think they'll wait a full model year.

 

EXACTLY! It's already one of the best values on the market. I guess they could be like some and make leather, HIDs, power seats and metallic paint options and then add push button start as standard.

 

If $20k base Nissan Altimas come with it standard, there's no reason it should be an option on a $35k Acura.

 

you have to remember different brands have different priorities. People that buy TL's and Nissan Altimas are different, not the same target demographic. Acura didn't put the system in the 06 TL's and on since they are on the 5 year schedule, and throwing in stuff like that isn't going to help increase sales by crazy amounts vs. the money spent re-engineering a car.

Also it's on the tech package because some people want the TL because its a TL. Look at all the 3G members without navi, they wanted the upgrade of the TL, but not the downgraded stuff of the accord. these people really don't care for OMG push button start. They care about the overall car.

 

haha my first car in college was an '03 altima i bought new and now i drive an '05 tl 6-spd. yeah it sucks that the TL doesn't come with it standard. you'd think that with the cost cutting they'd realize that maybe it'll be cheaper just to have it standard across the board rather than manufacturing two sets of dashboards (where the push button start would be) and two sets of steering columns (where the manual ignition turn key would be). IMO I wouldn't mind it if they just increased the base price of the car to include the cost of the push button start. it's like how BMW is too cheap to include LED brakelights and uses lightbulbs instead (the tails on the 3 series are LEDs but use light bulbs for the brakes).

if automakers really want to cut down on costs, they should just cut all the stupid tv commercials and stop printing fancy brochures and put that money into the car. watching 1 tv commercial isn't going to sway me into wanting to go look at a car - car magazines, reviews, and internet articles take that place instead. and besides, like 80% of the people who end up getting the fancy brochures are mostly those who aren't really in the market for the car anyway (ie., can't afford, etc.).

 

GS350 AWD LOADED can be EASILY had for 45k and YES it matches in performance ...the TL just isnt the same "value for the money" car it used to be if you're considering the top of the line model


GS350 AWD > 09 TL in EVERY way, better look, more user friendly, higher quality and more class if that concerns you

 

Fine, go buy a GS350 AWD. What's the point of comparing a later-model discounted off MSRP car with a brand new model? The TL SHAWD with tech package comes out to 42-43k. After 2 years on the market, I'm sure you'll be able to get it for under 40k after negotiations.

 

Personally, I don't think it will take 2 years to buy it <40k.

 

^ Agreed I give it a year at most before we start seeing TL AWD's going for invoice aka under 40k

my point is this, Acura just isnt cutting it for me personally, this is my first acura and most probably the last if things dont change in quality and service

...many including myself have had issues with acura dealers and i dont expect that kind of treatment/service from a luxury car company. I compare apples to apples, acura to lexus...both high end lines of japanese cars honda and toyota respectively and its Night and DAY when it comes to quality of materials, fit and finish and more noticeable, customer service at the actual dealership.

 

Fortunately for me, the service I receive at my local dealership is top notch (Ferman Acura)

Good luck w/ your Lexus or whatever you end up with.

 

Further cost cutting measures resulted in the deletion of Bi-Xenon headlights, the omission of power tilt and telescoping steering wheel and heated and cooled seats (both of which appear on the new Maxima!). They'll probably add them back for 2010. I hope so anyway....

 

The Lexus GS competes with a BMW 5 series and MB E-class, not with an Acura TL. A base GS 350 STARTS at $44K (which happens to be more than the cost of a loaded TL SH-AWD!). Once you load up a GS on options (AWD, Nav, etc), you will reach almost $52K! (Go to Lexus.com and build it to see for yourself). For less than $40K, there is no other vehicle out there that has such cool technology, sporty performance, fuel efficiency, and reliability as the new TL.

 

[QUOTE=blazinginder;10036491]GS350 AWD LOADED can be EASILY had for 45k and YES it matches in performance ...the TL just isnt the same "value for the money" car it used to be if you're considering the top of the line model





whose crack you smokin?

 

Everyone has said that the new TL is a definite step up in the fit and finish category.

 

I agree with u on the price tag part, but i do believe that this new tl is ment to compete with the GS, 5, and E. Its similar in size, really competitively priced, and similar in performance, in terms of the V6's.

Even the 3g tl i heard somewhere used a 5 series as a benchmark for performance. My

 

I CLEARLY said a loaded GS350 AWD was $52k msrp but you can easily get it discounted down to $45k which is right in line with a loaded TL SH-AWG at 43k

 

ehh..

It still has Bi-Xenons... Foglights, DRLs, Xenons..

 

No, it doesn't.

See p. 556 of the 2009 TL Owner's Manual:

https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/.../BEQ0909OM.pdf

 

no bi xenons?
did 3g have them?

 

Ah sh%&*#^! I thought it used the same setup as the 07/08s with the halogen DRLs

why the fawk would they get rid of that?? It was already included in the 3G so why REMOVE features of the car

I know it's something small but if i'm going to have Xenons I want them for my low and high beams; not the cheap setup.



shuby - 3G had them std.

 

Guys, from what you've all described, it seems like Acura is accomplishing what they were trying to do with the new 2009 TL.

Isn't Acura trying to move the TL up in class from Sports Sedan to a Luxury Sedan? If they are, it sounds like they're accomplishing this.

 

I haven't read anything that comes out and says it and since our cars still aren't here, I cannot comment on the drive. However, they do seem like they want broader appeal for the base TL while at the same time, focusing the SH-AWD model as the sportier option.

In G3, the 2004-2006 cars were too firm to steal many buyers from the Lexus ES. 2007-2008 base TLs have a softer suspension that allows a little more cross shopping. This was made possible due to the presence of the Type-S to cover the enthusiast side.

 

i agree with u, 4g looks more luxury than the 3g.
i think the 4G won new customers
older/more mature customers will buy it while younger ones wont.

i find the new TL pretty

look at the SIZE and look of this thing, doesnt matter how fast it is track, i wouldnt want to drive it... not on the track for sure

 

You know, I do like the push to start option. I almost bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid before purchasing the TL Type S. The Camry also had Push To Start. But the Camry had a six disc player, but needed 2 of the 6 slots for the Navigation. It didn't have a separate unit for Navigation.

 

It came standard on my Honda S2000.

 

You can spend 40K for a new Audi A4 and you don't get push button start either. That requires the Presitige package. For the non-button, the remote fits into a slot in the dash and then you push it to start. So..it is cool but not as cool as push button.

 

Never thought about it until now, but the Altima offers all of the same features, too. No AWD, but it is not yet available on the TL.

The Sentra also has optional keyless go. Mini Cooper, too.

 

Push-Button Starts are not even standard on $70,000 BMW 5-series!....you have to get the Comfort Access package for an additonal $2K.