bmode

To Crucifer and his original comment.

We faithful Acura TL owners choose the path less travelled! Why do what everyone else is doing? I'm proud to be the only one driving around in a 4G black on black baby! At least for now... I remember being the first 1G TL owner back in 04', and that was sweet too, but not as sweet as this now!!!

smsTL

iTrader: (1)

You also have to remember 3G price went down so a lot people are buying them...If you look at 3G section you will see new people joining more than eve...

sammietime

Well, thanks. That's reassuring to read the interior remains tight after 300 mls. Wait, according to some yahoo in another post, you don't even own the car. What's going on? (LOL) And, yeah, sales people don't have to lie, mislead, manipulate, or just generally be morally corrupt. Come on! Oh, and to add injury to insult, he came along for the test drive.

Thanks for the reassurance about the 10' MT TL. I will wait!

L3wD

yes wait for sure, if you love manual that car is gonna be heaven on wheels if i had the flow i would definitely jump on it.. but since i dont.. hopefully I'll have when the Type-S comes out.. i get wet dreams just thinking about it

VTEC Racer

Yes, wait for the 2010 if you want a manual. Acura corporate has confirmed this and your dealer is just trying to get you to buy NOW by lying to you. If you'd like, I will link a copy of the Acura press release so you can show it to your sales person.

cg2006TSX

That's just about the most sensible sentence I've read posted to AZ since the 2G TSX/4G TL debacle! Perhaps it was the new LCI in Space Grey, which provides a nice change of pace in comparison to the original.

I wish all of the next gen Acura buyers the best with their cars, but regardless of where your loyalties may lie, based on the boards and press there is no doubt the trinity of recent introductions (RL/TL/TSX) combined with the RDX fiasco represents a setback for the brand, not to mention dealers now that the MDX is tanking as well due to the fact that SUVs are persona non grata.

If the economy does not improve and we find ourselves in a depression, it will most likely mean a death knell for Acura. The weak never survive when times get tough.

VTEC Racer

Relax. It is WAY to early to discount the TL and TSX. The RL, sure, but to say that the TL and TSX is a fiasco is just plain stupid. The RDX has not met sales goals, but it is still outselling the Infiniti EX. The MDX sales have dropped, but lately, what SUV hasn't? Keep in mind that the MDX still outsells the X5, ML, FX and Q7. The RX outsells the MDX but many consider the RX below the MDX now, including the magazines that have hardly compared the two and instead choose to pit the MDX against the GX.

The TL and TSX will not fail. They may not meet sales goals, but then again who will in this economy unless you are Lexus and you set your sales goal at 5 cars and then boast about how your sales expectations have exceeded the prediction by 900%. Yet somehow they magically had enough supply to meet that demand . The economy will play the biggest role in the success of Acura's latest cars, as it will with the rest of the luxury industry.

If you want to talk about the weak not surviving when the times get tough and making a death knell, then talk about, Audi, Infiniti, Jaguar, Volvo, Saab, Lincoln, and Buick who all sell less units than Acura.

StonedCL

iTrader: (1)

I also live in NJ (north jersey) and i take 4 hwys to work and never seen a 4g TL yet on the road. The Market is VERY bad and all car dealerships are selling 1/2 of what they normally do so that might be a reason why..

1fsthatch

yea the 4g sucks

PetesTL

...you are such a clever rat.

frainc

I'm retired and work part time as a school crossing guard in Suffolk Co., Long Island. This past week I have seen 5 new TL's past. So they are selling them, at least here they are.

The car has a very strong look to it compare to other cars on the road. I like the look of the new 4G. Have not seen the SH-AWD yet.

S2000 Driver

North Shore of Long Island is affluent -- almost as much so as Fairfield County, CT.

Good sign that the 4G TL is being accepted by its target market.

Unfortunately, I have still only seen 1 on the road in these parts but this is the land of Range Rovers and other upscale 4W/AWD vehicles: Can't let bad weather prevent Skip and Muffy from getting to prep school on time!

Wonder if more TLs will appear as the SH-AWD model becomes more readily available...

Colin

I think so. FWIW, we have not received a AWD car yet, Our first ones probably won't get here till December at the earliest. It puts a huge damper on current TL sales because I believe that there are many 'holding back' on a 2WD purchase till they can try the AWD.

Rocketsfan

Yes, but have you seen it on the road?

I thought not.... therefore, it does not exist.

ownaccord

The AWD is only supposed to be a small fraction of all TLs produced. It's not like they'll be all over the place once the AWDs get delivered to dealers, so it's not possible for that to be a "huge" damper on sales.

Colin

You didn't read my post. My point was that until all the 'cards are on the table' buyers are reluctant to make a decision, even if the decision is to buy the 2WD car.

ownaccord

What I read in your post was your usual saleperson-speak about why you're not selling more cars. As usual, none of it has to do with the car itself...

VTEC Racer

It's hard to make sense of logic when you are an idiot.

07wdptl-s

i think the 4g isnt that bad the only problem i have with the car is the ugly arc or creased on top of the front wheels if it wasnt for that i might have traded in for it.

jginnane

I was going through old threads today and thought I'd revive this one.

We took delivery on our 4G Tech (Royal Blue / taupe) a couple weeks ago. Between the active time of this thread (Nov 08) and now, May 09, the combination of dealer prices, trade-in, and federal sales tax credit moved the numbers $8-10K in our favor.

Meanwhile ... Chrysler's in bankruptcy and has cut 800 dealers; GM is headed there and has already cut 1100 dealers. All those dealers are desperate to sell inventory. But you know what? Even at half price, we still wouldn't want one of them.

Acura's not getting Washington bailout money because IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. The TL is a great car (and the 4G is a much better highway ride than the 3G, though we loved the 3G once we got RE960AS on the rims.)

At 34K out-the-door for tech, you're not going to get a better deal, especially when the inventories get depleted. Right now is the sweet time for dealmaking.

cyberbro

We have a 2009 TSX and picking up a 2009 Tl this week.
I agree, but I also think the design is starting to grow on people. It took me a while to like it.

I wonder if I can deducted the sales tax on a lease?

hydr0

Wow, that's one of the stupidest comments I've heard in quite a long time lol. I'm not even gonna humor it with a correction lol.

jginnane

It's interesting. Only partly because the majority of comments in this thread were written in November, and back then the dealers weren't discounting at all.

Now, they ARE discounting, in fact the car we just got was sitting on their lot in November, already 60+ days old. (I understand dealers start to pay interest on "floorplan" inventory when the cars go 45+ days old.)

If you have any recognizable credit score, now is the best time to get the best deal, probably for the rest of your life. You still have to do homework -- use overstock.com, get competitive model prices at one of the American domestic companies, etc. Be prepared to shop Acura dealers against each other, or yo pick your new car up 50 miles away.

One other legacy aspect from this earlier thread is that we paid so much attention to ... "the Beak". Seriously, that's a small thing at this point. But if you assume Honda-America is going to change the front as soon as possible, that may be MORE reason to buy an 09 TL. Why? Because it says to the world -- "I Survived the Second Bush Depression!"

BleuM&M

Thank you, President Bush, for keeping us safe after 9/11, saving the US economy after a devastating atrocity, keeping the foaming mad-dog libs in check, out-foxing people who were supposed to be smarter and more sophisticated than you,...

... AND for the wonderful price I was able to get on my TL! And here I thought I'd have to give props to B.O. I feel much better now!

cyberbro

I'm glad we stay on topic around here. lol

acura2009

in NYC theres plenty of TL 4g, no idea what you mean

cyberbro

You have a dizzying intellect and an obvious way with words.

Peters

Acura Announces April 2009 Sales Results
Total Acura sales for April 2009 were 8,813, down 32.3 percent compared to April 2008, with Acura year-to-date* sales totaling 33,333 units, down 33.4 percent. The all-new TL performance luxury sedan remained as Acura’s top selling model in April, a three month sales trend, with TL sales reaching 3,105 units, down 27.6 percent as compared to last year.

Maybe its the economy or maybe not.

Peters

Maybe the reason you didn't have a G37 there is this - from a recent back to back comparison:

Ultimately, though, the 2009 Acura TL SH-AWD couldn't claw its way back from the drubbing given to it by the sheer speed of the 2009 Infiniti G37. It doesn't hurt that the G37 really shrinks around its driver when you want it to and expands when you don't. In this respect, the G37 is the four-door sports car you always wanted, the car that lets you change and grow up without forgetting where you came from.

dshahs420

It's a little of both I guess. The economy+overbite grill=fail, fail and fail. It's a good thing for 4G TL owners though. I took my car for a spin and I couldn't believe how many people checked out my ride. Usually where I live, people don't give a damn about cars, so I was surprised. But at the same time Acura dropped the ball on this one. You know some things are wrong when sales are down 32% to an OUTGOING model. Most people don't buy outgoing models because when the new model comes out they really take a extra hit on the depreciation. Bummer!

KeithL

Everyone is down that much, hell Infiinti G is down almost 50%. I agree I don;t love the styling, but in the end it is not turining awy that many sales since the numbers are not off by more than anyone else in this economy. The real winner here is Hyundai. Their sales are flat or only off a few points. People are switiching to cars that give them a better value.

misterbiggz

Ok, this is my first post, so please take it easy on me. The vehicle is also rare down here in Louisiana. It also took me a while to get used to the new look, now I smoke more cigarettes to go outside to look at it. My car slows down traffic, had a guy get out at a red light to check it out (no lie). I've seen a steady increase (maybe 1 a day) of seeing it on the road. I have WDP, and started seeing more WDP then any other color. I am the only one that I've seen so far with the aero kit (down here). Now that I'm seeing them more, I hope Ron will hurry up and ship my wheels out. As of now, the only thing I complain about is the small stock wheels (which helped me convince my wife that I needed new wheels). I'm spoiled.

Peters

So the drivers of the TL, "kicked th snot out of the BMW 335xi"? That might be a little exaggerated no?

dshahs420

I guess its safe to say that the 2009 TL can be hazardous to your health.

Keith, yeah I agree. Heck Toyota known for its bullet proof reliability had to borrow money too but my point is that when people know that a certain make and model is going to be redesigned for the following year, they usually wait and buy the year after when the new model comes out. This is the small part but the economy no doubt has a lot more to do with it. If the economy was booming, I still think they would be behind in sales seeing how popular the 3G is. Lot of people now do their research online before going to the dealership. For some reason the TL does not look great in pictures because the grill sticks out like a black eye. I was all set to buy another Lexus until I decided to just stop at an Acura dealer and one look and drive, I was hooked like a crack whore to a crack pipe.

venom550pm

The first rock is free. Then you pay!

RJ1

I have seen 3 in Ottawa so far..

Peters

That is one butt ugly car. Never going to buy one. Never.

bmode

What are you doing in the 4G forum, get lost! So easy to hate, and so hard to congratulate, what a pity.

KeithL

To me it still doesn't look much better in person, but it grew on me, still don't love the styling, still prefer my 3G styling or evena G37 look, but the AWD TL ride is addictive as you said..

Peters

I've been a long time Acura owner and I looked forward to this car like many other 3G TL owners. It has nothing to do with "hate" per se, its just my view, like others expressed here, that a great car company missed the mark with its styling.