wutaguy

He is listing the competitors as A6, 5 series, M35, etc, which is what it should be, not A4, 3 series, or G.

http://www.carguideweb.com/articles/4392/

Tigmd99

That review is FOS!! I wonder how much Acura paid those guys to write that review?!! For sure, Acura emblem is on that writer's paycheck!

winstrolvtec

It's about time they started paying their dues, most rags will punish them by placing the TL last in a lower segment comparisons, until they start paying up that is. Where was this written?, they got the starting MSRP as $48,815???

The point is, the TL is headed in that segment in a year, with the intro of the new RL, so might as well just acknowledge the fact, regardless of good or bad opinion. This is where Acura intends to market the car afterall. An early MMC, with the launch of the new RL might even help them solidify some new ground, but how well it will actually compete is a very complicated situation. It's best to just let the sales determine that.

iforyou

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That's in Canadian dollars.

dshahs420

It is written in Canada. Even though the American dollar is now much weaker than canadian dollar, the canadians still get screwed because car prices are much higher. A lot of people were crossing the border and buying cars in America because of this exact problem.

iforyou

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I actually think the price in Canada for the TL isn't that bad. At $48.8k CAD, that's about 10-15% more than the $43k USD price. As of late, the difference between CAD and USD is also around 15% (0.85USD = 1 CAD).

winstrolvtec

Other parts of the world don't seem as obssesed as Americans when it comes to v8's, RWD and it's luxury application, not to mention stature and societal perception, it's only my opinion but I think they see it more like it really is, in regards to their placement of the TL.

Tigmd99

Again, are you really that sheltered?? It is hard to imagine a grown man being this naive....

So, any writer who is writing raves about the TL must be an honest person (aka Canadian or foreigner??), while anyone who writes crap about the TL must be a crook??

winstrolvtec

Whatever dude, I didn't apply any of that, you did. I din't recall calling you out or saying improper things, it's obvious to me you lack quality as an individual.

The point though, since you have all the answers to everything, why exactly did a Canadian author consider the TL in the exact same segment it is intended to compete in?
Why do the US publications not?

If you want to be taken seriously answer the questions without pointing out something completely irrelevant or name calling, that's all I ask if you choose to engage me in discussion.

ggesq

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I'm sick and tired of reading both of your bullshit posts in 4G. Either take it to PM or don't post.

The next post by either one of you attacking the other and your gone. Consider yourselves warned.

dshahs420

I actually agree with the reviewer. First I have read plenty of reviews from automobile enthusiast magazines and they always compare it to A4/ES/3/G37 ect.....This is the first review I have read where apples are compared to apples!! Secondly the author said that the Navigation is couple of generation older than Lexus. My dad has a ES350 and he was at the dealership with me and we both agreed that the Navi in the Lexus looks like it has a higher resolution. Maybe Psychdoc can verify this since he also had an ES350. I think this is probably the least biased review both positive and negative.

PetesTL

How can Acura's Navi be a "couple of generations older" than Lexus? No way! Acura's navi systems have traditionally been one of the best in the industry. The resolution is definately not low at all.....I don't know where they got that idea. Acura's Navi has a very robust feature set (Live traffic, weather, Zagat survey) that very few other brands can match and is very user friendly and responsive......unlike BMW and Mercedes.

guytdt

I think Acura's nav is good but there is room for enhancement. Infiniti's nav has 3-D feature which is very cool. Should have that. That's nice.
Lexus's and Infiniti's are too strict that they turn off too many things while driving.

CPR

The reviewer probably had the Nav resolution in "night" mode. LOL
Whatever, I love my TL, & my Nav!

winstrolvtec

I can't think of any Navi system, that I have ever come across that I can honestly say was better. I would like to know what that guy drives. I bet anything the editors sit there and make sure that it has to say at least one thing bad, otherwise raising suspicion, or looking biased vs other car models, it's a shame but that is how the world works. Unless of course, the Canadian model Navi software is different from the US.

Inf123

depending on what city he lives in, we don't get the xm weather or xm traffic in most cities only (Vancouver,Montreal and Toronto) currently get that.

PsychDoc

I can tell you, as a former owner of an '07 ES350 that the screen resolution on the TL is easily sa good or better than that found on the ES350. Now the nav system as a whole in the TL is a combination of frustrating ambiguities. Inputting data is a royal pain in the ass on the TL and the ES easily gets the nod for a far better user interface. The ES's database also seems to be vastly superior to the TL's. I never found any glaring deficiencies in the ES's Point Of Interest database. The TL OTOH, can be maddeningly frustrating. For instance, even though I knew I was within 3 miles of at least three Staples stores, the nav didn't know where any of them were (WTF???). And I tried inputting the data several different ways: straight name search, name search after selecting category and city, etc. Bottom line, the TL's nav system doesn't friggin' know where Staples is!!! Same with Applebees!!! These are glaring and utterly unacceptable oversights and I really think Acura needs to deal with this and offer customers a free upgrade to the database which can then be performed the next time any of us goes in for an oil change. I plan on writing Acura about this directly. It's an outrage. When the Acura's nav does get a destination into it, it's superb -- as good or better than the ES.

Olu

My father has the ES 350. Graphics are the same. I would say a bit better in the Acura with more 3-D effects on the roads, fields, and bodies of water. I had an eclipse AVN 6500 in my GS300 and the TL is vastly superior to that. I find the ES 350 system only a step or 2 better then my AVN 6500. (Lexus systems are Eclipse systems)

As for POI, I've had the car for a short period of time so I will see how it fares. I know that even with my wife's Garmin Nuvi (which I update regularly) it will have trouble with some very popular locations. What I've grown used to doing is using my iPhone to find the address and putting that in.

Also I love the fact that I can change destinations while driving. If I remember correctly the Lexus has to be stationary or going less then 5mph to change destinations. (unless there's voice commands which my father definitely doesn't know anything about)

Wavehogger

I read this review yesterday and sent them an e-mail last night regarding the statement that the navi screen is low-res. It's definately a mistake and either the reviewer crossed his notes from another car (Infiniti perhaps) or he really needs some new bifocals.