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09-29-2008, 10:44 PM
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I'm not trying to bad mouth Acura TL, but the only reason why I owned a Acura TL was because it was best bang for the buck in regards of options. That is why I'm a loyal Honda fan..for commuter cars. I give it props if they say it can outperform a BMW 335xi, since it's been awhile since I've seen a Acura TL outperform a BMW. Giving props to the new 4g TL. But once again not my cup of tea.
Oh and thank your for agreeing with me..people don't really care about performance. The only reason why TL did so well is b/c the 2G brought it alive.
Now with the 4G..I think it will go downhill.
Oh and thank your for agreeing with me..people don't really care about performance. The only reason why TL did so well is b/c the 2G brought it alive.
Now with the 4G..I think it will go downhill.
09-30-2008, 04:36 AM
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And there is a reason why a 328i cost 40k. How high of a luxury "brand" car do you want to go? Ferrai? Rollys Royce? Bentley? B/c thats not a high-end car..thats an exotic. I am actually considering on purchasing a 335i, but I might wait for a lexus IS Coupe.
Oh, and I own a 2G TL for a reason. It's b/c I am still the believer and lover of 2G TL be still the best looking TL yet so far. Or else I woulda switched over to a 3G. I put over 95k on it since June of 03. And still going...but is it me..or the newer cars are not that attractive lol. :X
Oh, and I own a 2G TL for a reason. It's b/c I am still the believer and lover of 2G TL be still the best looking TL yet so far. Or else I woulda switched over to a 3G. I put over 95k on it since June of 03.
And still going...but is it me..or the newer cars are not that attractive lol. :X
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09-30-2008, 08:37 AM
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Colin,
Then Legend2TL takes a swipe at me too. But in your Post #69,
PS: And, by the way, the P-51 Mustang is THE most agile fighter of it's time. The F-86 Sabre was underpowered but strong during the Korean War. And the F-100 Super-Sabre was a step up to the F-86. No, I never flew in those planes, but I sure wish I could have.
Then Legend2TL takes a swipe at me too. But in your Post #69,
PS: And, by the way, the P-51 Mustang is THE most agile fighter of it's time. The F-86 Sabre was underpowered but strong during the Korean War. And the F-100 Super-Sabre was a step up to the F-86. No, I never flew in those planes, but I sure wish I could have.
BTW, in it's early life as the P-51 was actually used first by the British (Lend-Lease) and the USAAF took a liking to it later on. Initially the USAAF was not very interested in the P-51 for a variety of reasons. The story of
The F-14 is good in agility (only 6.5G airframe) but certainly had it's woes in many areas (TF30 engine problems, AWG-9 reliability, very high maintenance hours per flight hour ~50-1 compared to 15-1 for a F/A-18E). Some of these problems were fixed with newer APG-71 radar and GE F-110 engines. In the end it wound up dropping LGB's in it's new role. It's intial design requirements were very single-role minded (long time/range fleet CAP defence), in the end multi-role tactical aircraft are much more useful and practical. Maybe using a F/A-18 reference for a TL would be a better complement since it's more useful and reliable.
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09-30-2008, 08:47 AM
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My "swipe" was a quote from a great designer in reference to the chronic complaining of some folk's disapproval of the exterior styling of the 4G no matter in what thread. Didn't see your second posting. I still prefer the 3G styling to the 4G but I don't state it as a fact in all caps.
BTW, in it's early life as the P-51 was actually used first by the British (Lend-Lease) and the USAAF took a liking to it later on. Initially the USAAF was not very interested in the P-51 for a variety of reasons. The story of
The F-14 is good in agility (only 6.5G airframe) but certainly had it's woes in many areas (TF30 engine problems, AWG-9 reliability, very high maintenance hours per flight hour ~50-1 compared to 15-1 for a F/A-18E). Some of these problems were fixed with newer APG-71 radar and GE F-110 engines. In the end it wound up dropping LGB's in it's new role. It's intial design requirements were very single-role minded (long time/range fleet CAP defence), in the end multi-role tactical aircraft are much more useful and practical. Maybe using a F/A-18 reference for a TL would be a better complement since it's more useful and reliable.
BTW, in it's early life as the P-51 was actually used first by the British (Lend-Lease) and the USAAF took a liking to it later on. Initially the USAAF was not very interested in the P-51 for a variety of reasons. The story of
The F-14 is good in agility (only 6.5G airframe) but certainly had it's woes in many areas (TF30 engine problems, AWG-9 reliability, very high maintenance hours per flight hour ~50-1 compared to 15-1 for a F/A-18E). Some of these problems were fixed with newer APG-71 radar and GE F-110 engines. In the end it wound up dropping LGB's in it's new role. It's intial design requirements were very single-role minded (long time/range fleet CAP defence), in the end multi-role tactical aircraft are much more useful and practical. Maybe using a F/A-18 reference for a TL would be a better complement since it's more useful and reliable.
09-30-2008, 09:13 AM
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The last official F-14 flight was out of Oceania, they had two F-14D's on the flight line in case one of them had a pre-flight problem. Sure enough the first one faulted out with a problem and the second performed the last flight. None the less, it's really hard not seeing Tomcats on the decks anymore.
09-30-2008, 01:30 PM
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And there is a reason why a 328i cost 40k. How high of a luxury "brand" car do you want to go? Ferrai? Rollys Royce? Bentley? B/c thats not a high-end car..thats an exotic. I am actually considering on purchasing a 335i, but I might wait for a lexus IS Coupe.
Oh, and I own a 2G TL for a reason. It's b/c I am still the believer and lover of 2G TL be still the best looking TL yet so far. Or else I woulda switched over to a 3G. I put over 95k on it since June of 03. And still going...but is it me..or the newer cars are not that attractive lol. :X
Oh, and I own a 2G TL for a reason. It's b/c I am still the believer and lover of 2G TL be still the best looking TL yet so far. Or else I woulda switched over to a 3G. I put over 95k on it since June of 03.
And still going...but is it me..or the newer cars are not that attractive lol. :X"IMO high-end luxury cars = LS460, S class, 7-series. "
You know...as I said, it's really hard to define high-end luxury cars, I guess everyone has his/her own view.
If I were you, I'd definitely go for the 335i. I personally like it a lot, but too bad I'm just a student and I cannot afford one....
I agree, I love the 2G TL, and I'm planning to keep mine for a few more years, before I move on to a NSX (hopefully!!).
09-30-2008, 10:52 PM
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You are a young man my friend. lol. And I did read what you said earlier. But are you saying an IS and a ES is not part of the lexus crowd? I'm talking about brands, not a specific model. A TL is what is keeping acura alive. W/o it pschh...done. That is why I'm targeting just TL. B/c when people think Acura nowadays, they think TL.
10-01-2008, 02:11 AM
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Why does any manufacturer stagger the introduction of various models or trim levels? It's not like Porsche didn't bring out the big engined Cayman first to be followed by an affordable version later, or BMW didn't introduce the new 3 with a carry over engine first, followed by a stronger version, followed by a turbo version, followed by a M version.....
I'm pretty sure that the larger cars you mentioned would have been more than 2 seconds adrift. Man that would have been embarrassing!
I'm pretty sure that the larger cars you mentioned would have been more than 2 seconds adrift. Man that would have been embarrassing!
If a car company's secret release will make THEIR current customers wait for the new secret car they will release the info the day before its released.
At this point most TL buyers WILL NOT wait for the 6mt...they dont even know what a manual is.
Also, notice Acura never said anything about the new 6 or 7 speed auto?
That for sure will make their current customers wait...and ZERO ppl will buy the 5AT tl.
But I can bet the new auto will come MMC time! Unless Honda is dumb...which for sure they are not...this new 6mt with SH is proof they do listen to the idiots aka customers.
10-01-2008, 02:20 AM
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If a car company can steal potential buyers from another company they will release info early....very early...i.e 6mt tl.
If a car company's secret release will make THEIR current customers wait for the new secret car they will release the info the day before its released.
If a car company's secret release will make THEIR current customers wait for the new secret car they will release the info the day before its released.
I wrote that at TOV and here (post #37)
10-01-2008, 06:58 AM
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Mr. Bell, just curious...what did you actually fly, and how many traps you actually got?
10-01-2008, 07:07 AM
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Acura knows that most people dont want anything to do with a manual transmission but they also dont want to alieniate their current 6MT drivers. Before the announcement of the 2010 6MT and its prowess over the competition, me and 2 of my friends (all of whom drive 6MT TLs) were considering which manufacturer to go to next that still offer a 6MT! They can come out with all these clever automatics and fancy DSGs......but there's still some purists out there that want a traditional 6 on the floor to shift for ourselves!
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
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You are a young man my friend. lol. And I did read what you said earlier. But are you saying an IS and a ES is not part of the lexus crowd? I'm talking about brands, not a specific model. A TL is what is keeping acura alive. W/o it pschh...done. That is why I'm targeting just TL. B/c when people think Acura nowadays, they think TL.
The MDX is doing pretty well too, in fact, it has been the best-selling Acura for a few months now. Of course, in terms of sedans, the TL is the main car in the line up.
10-02-2008, 08:15 PM
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And we will see which is a better built platform. If you want to talk about that..then why not step it to a Supra, or a evo. They are a pos engine..and they have turbo..but do they need anything else? no. Don't say things which you don't understand. The only motor that Honda did well was the S2k. 240hp...and still plenty room for forced induction. Also, a NSX is meant to put forced induction. Good motor as well. A 335 motor is fairly well built..but software restriction..give it the software tune..and your looking at a 500hp crank 335i. Give it time for the 3.7 litre to get forced induction..but as of now..u can not compare two motors..when the 335 has been out sometime. Talk to the american motors...with their V8 4.0litre but only pushing out 300hp. That's something to brag about.
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10-02-2008, 08:32 PM
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There sure are a lot of "dudes" here....
10-02-2008, 09:22 PM
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Update from Car and Driver:
So C&D just did a first drive review on the G37 Sport Sedan 6MT. Well, from their results, the car isn't faster than the G35 sport sedan. It gained 22hp and 1lbft of torque, but its weight has also gone up by 120lb, to 3703lb. The car also get better brakes from the G37 coupe, but unfortunately during this test, the braking distance is actually a bit longer than the old G35 sedan. So subjective areas that have been improved are the steering and shifter.
Anyways, it seems like the G37S sedan isn't any faster than the car it replaced. Namely, it isn't any faster on the straight, braking distance didn't improve (may be better fade resistance?), and it still pulls the same amount of g at the skidpad at 0.89g.
I think for now, it's safe to say it won't be too much of a challenge to the TL SH-AWD 6MT.
So C&D just did a first drive review on the G37 Sport Sedan 6MT. Well, from their results, the car isn't faster than the G35 sport sedan. It gained 22hp and 1lbft of torque, but its weight has also gone up by 120lb, to 3703lb. The car also get better brakes from the G37 coupe, but unfortunately during this test, the braking distance is actually a bit longer than the old G35 sedan. So subjective areas that have been improved are the steering and shifter.
Anyways, it seems like the G37S sedan isn't any faster than the car it replaced. Namely, it isn't any faster on the straight, braking distance didn't improve (may be better fade resistance?), and it still pulls the same amount of g at the skidpad at 0.89g.
I think for now, it's safe to say it won't be too much of a challenge to the TL SH-AWD 6MT.
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