TLNV

My 3 season tires are Michelin Pilot Sport Plus A/S 245/40/19. I use the all seasons here because of the unpredictable weather during 3 season use, being at 5000+feet and going over the passes at different times which are up to 10,000' you never know what you are going to run into. If I were in a different locale, I would probably run straight summers instead. It really comes down to preference. I prefer to have the all-seasons as I feel that I have a bit more control of the vehicle when there is rain and the temps dip a bit. I also dont push the vehicle, therefore I don't feel the need for the stickier summers.

TechnoCat

Go back and read my post. The difference is also in the finishing touches - the small features - like being able to pop up the sunroof to any position, and it being quiet when open. Like a flat trunk with a cargo net included. Like softer finish on the plastics and buttons. Like under-door lighting.

It isn't quality or value that determines luxury, it's the coddling.

TechnoCat

As I read and responded, I realized your experience with your 2003 A4 1.8t was much less coddling than my experience with my 2003 A4 3.0. I remember Audi had removed some features from the 1.8t; I wonder if that's part of the difference in our perceptions. The main reason I'm in an Acura now is that Audi doesn't sell the A4 with a six (excepting in very expensive S4 clothing) anymore.

My Audi has infinitely adjustable sunroof for open and up. The Acura does open okay, but only full up/full closed.

If you disagree, tell me how to pop up the sunroof (moonroof style) 1/3 of the way.

And don't forget, it's much noisier when open than the Audi. I suspect this is due to the pop-up deflector at the front of the sunroof in the Audi; no such puppy in the Acura.

My 03 A4 3.0 beats the TL easily. You may be mis-remembering. But... the Audi soft-touch material did not hold up super-well. It started wearing off after about four years.

I didn't have the parts falling off problem. Audis definitely feel more solid, but the TL seems to be a more reliable car.

My 3.0 was fine. Keep in mind that the 1.8t has less than half the displacement of the 3.7 TL, while I manned-up and bought the 3.0 six.

Interesting. My 2010 TL SH-AWD 6MT did not. The net is listed as an expensive accessory.

It was on mine, but again, I have the 3.0. It sounds like Audi de-featured the 1.8T significantly.

Pete2010

I tried this today on the sunroof thing.

I clicked the button back to start it opening, then about mid way thru i clicked the button in (i think in), to stop it from opening. At that point I could click it in and out and let go and it would stop in that spot.

Try that out and see if it works.

pimpin-tl

Ahh you didn't say UP or down. You just said open/close. In that case I don't really recall that part, but I know sliding it back and forward it was infinitely adjustable, but up and down I don't remember. The Acura though goes up and down and no between, so did our Nissans for that matter.

Since I didn't have the 3.0, can't say on that. But I can't see a 3.0L being more powerful than a 3.5 or 3.7L depending which Acura you have.

Yea a few parts just fell off the car. LOL

I mainly got the 1.8t due to mod friendly engine and figured I could get a good amount of power out of it. Well after the car started to have issues, I didn't keep it long to worry about that anymore. But maybe it had less features than the 3.0 did.

pimpin-tl

I just found a picture of my drivers seat in the Audi, and it has the power lumber. I just don't recall very well as I didn't use it often.

winstrolvtec

I understand the difference, I referenced that in another post. To be clear it is material quality and some areas of more refinement where Germans excel, no doubt but I think industry leading value, resale, reliability, safety, navi, stereo, and mid level performance, size, space, and comfort all for less than entry price is real genuine coddling and not just superficial fluff that commands a rediculous price tag of $10k and $20k more for a equally equipped and comparable product that doesn't produce as well in those areas in the first place and is functionally no better.

But it is my opinion and perspective and what I value that allows me to think this way, not everybody comes from the same place or values the same things so there will be differences in opinion and that's ok.

tobe_cx7

LOL!!! you guys took it to different zone...I asked about comparison in terms of "AWD" only, I know and did compare the other interior and functionality when I started my vehicle shopping...YES I know it's not AUDI or BMW Or MB but again comparing TL to them is more like apple/oranges scenario. Some parts/stuff are not what you want, some features have more edge in specific make/model while some thing plain sucks in few brands...Who said about having ALL in ONE product> Buying MB/BMW OR Audi is mostly personal choice to any of you, I"m pretty sure none of you bought Acura or any other brand just because someone told you too. What if trunk hinges are not as "cool" as audi's.....who cares? ( I know I dont),I rather have powerful engine (3.7L). plus show me one car which is "near luxuary" or "luxuary" with even partially similar to TL-SH-AWD 2010 model you can buy for 37,400$+3 accessories.... I know I DID and I'm still as of today pretty happy with my decision...

Let's discuss Acura...not which one is better

docboy

^ Soon to be moderator

Kingmeow

^lol!

TechnoCat

Works but very tricky... can't get it down to a specific level, just get lucky. But thank you!

graphicguy

tobe....all good points. Saw your deal posted over at Edmunds. It's a good one. Mind if I ask if you had a trade? What were the fees associated with the deal?

tobe_cx7

thks..i replied over @ edmund to your post.

cp3117

This is a very interesting list Techno as most of these features where introduced and brought down to the new Jetta in 2006. That list of features plus many many other reasons is why we purchased our 2006 2.0T over a TSX. The TSX was a great car but lacked a lot of little features for a car that was suppose to be a luxury line (The TSX was still using a prop rod for the hood ).

When a luxury line like Acura struggles at times with the likes of non luxury lines like VW, Nissan etc, it makes it hard for most consumers to compare Acura to the Tier 1 lines like Audi, MB, BMW etc.

winstrolvtec

Everyone knows the first rule in luxury is that you have to display the temperature in Celsius. C,mon Acura, get your game up.

docboy

Kingmeow

Well if they are going to go that far, might as well make the speedo in kilometer per hour as the major numbers.

cp3117

Well in they are.

Kingmeow

Then you must have the luxury model up in Canada and we don't in the US.

winstrolvtec

It must be cause they pay more money even for it even after the exchange rate.

tobe_cx7

OK...so it's been aprox 2 weeks I'm driving it and from past 2 days it's doing wierd stuff...when I'm crusing around 20-30mph on local streets and when I push pedal to accelerate, the vehicle engine kinda gasps,and jerks like it's out of gas and then speed goes up, its not responsive like normal acceleration and takes 1-3sec, it's happening randomly w/o any pickup/speed increase/decrease consistency. ANy idea? I'm trying to find a specific way to duplicate it so that I can take it to dealership for checkup

tapht

https://acurazine.com/forums/4g-tl-2009-2014-123/canadian-model-headlight-washers-760932/#post11677232



We also have the option of metric or imperial with the on board computer (I saw it while setting up the various options for the keyless entry). I am surprised you guys south of the border say that you can't change the celcius to Farenheit (celcius is better anyway...IMO). The one thing that annoys me is I can't have PSI instead of Kpa for my tire pressure when using metric options. I guess I have to move over to Kpa...

as far as it being more expensive in general it's true I paid $43,000 before taxes and license for mine

tapht

^ oops....in funny money currency of course.... (CAD)

tapht

I'd take it to Acura sooner than later and have them investigate....

graphicguy

Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking a clogged fuel filter....especially if the "check engine" lite doesn't come on when this happens.

It happens. A little dirt gets into the fuel line. It clogs the filter. Car starts to miss for lack of fuel.

I'd check there first. But, definitely have your dealership take a look at it first.

Iceman52489

To elaborate on what Pimpin said along with some other stuff..this forum is of course bias. But other forums tend to be even more bias than us. Just look at ClubLexus, they bash us every chance they get. Back in your previous post before that comment, I believe there was not a single bias statement said. Bias sorta has to have an opposition idea somewhere in there no?

• Anyways...your Audi had headlight washers? It was N.A.? I mean, I wouldn't want them anyway, like Pimpin said, it's a useless feature. Celsius, well its kinda useful but most people don't even know how to read celsius (well the formula's obvious but no one's use to it). Why compensate for the low population that knows it? Sounds like a reason to uniform cars that go to ever country to make production cheaper.
• Confirmation that our moonroof is indeed adjustable.
• That 7-year old Audi might have been the only time period to give out accessories like that. Even my Toyota was given anything. Either that or you haggled for one or they threw in as incentive and you forgot.
• My Acura makes the loudest clunk when closing a door, actually its hard keeping my door open. If you wanna talk about annoying, that's the annoying part.
• I agree on the low RPMs, that's why it's time to buy that Takeda intake..not to say I should have to but hp bonus!

In conclusion, why didn't you just go back to Audi? Seems you liked it more.

Iceman52489

Oh yea I forgot about that, you can change celsius in the control panel. muhahaa we're not losing too bad =P

Iceman52489

I see there's a 2nd page of comments that I missed. That clear some things up in regards to my post.

TechnoCat

To get a six-cylinder stick, I'd have had to give up either two doors or get a pricey harsh S4; they discontinued the 3.2 Stick last year.

But the more accurate answer is that I didn't realize how much the Acura was missing. I didn't check for headlight washers (and no, it's not "one more thing to break", unless you can't trust Acura build quality. They shouldn't break.) It was raining, so I didn't test the moonroof function. My milk and cereal and even liquor come with both metric and Imperial, as has every car I've bought in the last 20 years, so I didn't expect that to be missing. If I could go back knowing what I do now, I would more seriously consider the extra time and coin for a BMW.

tapht

Please see up a couple of posts. You CAN change to Farenheit in control panel when you set up the keyless entry. Didn't anybody play with the settings when they first got their car? I believe it is in the manual as well. hmmm, maybe it is in the French language manual only

As for the moonroof this must be another Canadian "luxury". Both my 2001 Accord and now my TL can have the moonroof open at any position I like. Just let go of the button where you want it to stop. You may be pressing and clicking the button which is like your automatic windows. It will either close all the way or open all the way.

I'm beginning to think the US models have some fundamental flaws....

TechnoCat

Celsius is a Canadian-only feature too. The U.S. manual is very clear about that. Since I doubt the feature costs anything to add, perhaps they were trying to keep the car simple for Merkins.

TLNV

Any chance at all that we could possibly get this thread back on track ............

tobe_cx7

here goes my 2 week old TL into ruins...damm thing was rear ended last Thurs...light snow & I was driving bck home....stupid suburbia 17yr old rearended my TL while I was on stoplight. I really dont know why parents let their kids drive in snow when they hve not a clue when and how to break properly....My damage is rear bumper broken, holed and disaligned..not fell off, her car was damaged seriously...headlight/ half bumper, fender bended bck and wheel cover(underneath fender) into wheels...Do TL have metal backplane behind bumper covers? I showed one Acura dealer and they said that probably only thing need to be changed is Bumper/reflector light and paint unless they open it up and see some other damages..first medal on carfax history

StonedCL

iTrader: (1)

I belive Acura Really dug itself a hole... The 3G TL was a bargain for everything you got and it looked GREAT.. Now the TL-SHAWD is priced up there with a simalar equiped G37X.. And what they did with THe RL, who knows.. Why would someone in there right mind buy a RL instead of a TL SHAWD? I talk to alot of people that are car shopping being I sell cars, and I am amazed on how many people trade in there 3G TL's or leases are up on the 3G TL and end up buying a G37X.. And I was a ACURA fanboy and know everything about the acura's so I ask the customers why they are not looking at a new TL and the all say the same thing... They can't get passes its looks... I know alot of you guys like the looks BUT it seems like the people that likes the looks of the 3G TL do not like the look of the 4G TL , and the 3G TL sold sold sold, outsold almost all other cars, and I know ACURA is losing ALOT of 3G customers cuz I see it every day.. Wouldnt ACURA like to hold on to its customer base? I know some people like/love the look of the $G or it grew on them, BUT alot of 3G TL owners just hate it and I think ACURA is LOSING ALOT of repeat buyers cuz of the look and they priced it out of range.. WIth the INcentices we are giving on a M35 you can Get a "M" for as much as a SHAWD TL, and we all know what is the better car..

docboy

^
I smell troll... again.

How is your post relevant to the discussion of the 4G TL's AWD system???

Pete2010

Obvious Troll is Obvious

TLNV

x2 you beat me to it.

Kingmeow

Damn, sorry to hear that. Was she on the phone too???

StonedCL

iTrader: (1)

troll, I have been on acurazine for 10 years , so I guess I am a longtime troll.
But u r rightthis has nothing to do with the 4 wd but after going through the tread I kinda forgot what the tread was about.. My Bad

Pete2010

Sorry, I didn't mean any offense... We see so many threads here go so far off the rails, we start talking about one thing, and somehow they call come back to how Acura screwed up or how ugly the car is, etc, etc...