The Type S MDX engine which is the same engine in the TLX Type S seems quite underwhelming. In this video, it gets smoked by a Genesis and a KIA.

 

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Curb weight, my friend.

The TLX-S is a heavy car, when compared to others in its class.

 

You can't fight physics!! I am sure Acura builds a better motor than Hyundai.

 

TLX-S is heavy in its class but MDX-S would be light in its class, so that should help with relative performance.

 

I second this... just look at the pricing (well not the pricing we have all seen lately, but let's say before the pandemic: KIA and Hyundai including Genesis do not hold their value very much long - where Acura certainly does).

 

Honda/Acura vehicles have never been a 0-60 drag racer. Acura engineers always seems to make their cars compete against itself (the 2.0T TLX) or Honda sporty version. Not sure why the +22 TLX sh-awd has to weight +2 tons for a sedan? Pretty much in the ballpark of the 3rd Gen MDX in curb weight depending on fwd/sh-awd and trim level. The TLX needs to drop some weight and/or add hp/tq. Dropping weight in the 3400-3600 lbs range would help the most.

 

They could've just built a racecar instead. Cars are overall heavier than older ones, so if there needs to be any weight reduction, I'll guarantee there needs to be more structural integrity such as a roll cage.

 

So... If you are buying a sedan... and you want the fastest one... don't buy the TLX...

I'm not sure why you are trying to make a point about the MDX using data from sedan comparo's??? odd?

Why not compare the KIA Telluride engine to the MDX if you are trying to make some kind of apples to apples conclusion?

The Telluride has a wimpy engine... and... well... its a Kia.

The GV80 has a slightly more powerful engine. But the AWD version is 400 pounds heavier. I highly doubt the MDX Type S is going to get "smoked" by either.

All that said... I've been riding sport bikes for a LONG time. Only the kids are obsessed with drag strip speed. I remember the days of the 19 year olds with Hyabusa's that were road-kings of the roll-on race. (couldn't launch from the line to save their ass) But take them into a corner and they were on the brakes and a 1/4 mile behind.

My point is I have a feeling the MDX Type S is going to be a far better performer real-world (you know... corners and turns and stuff) than any other SUV within 15K

And if its not... great... show me the better performer and I'll get my fiance that one instead.

 

why do you say that? By all accounts this new turbo motor is behind competitors in numerous facets.

The TLX is very heavy no doubt.

I am guessing the BMW and MB offerings will still be quicker and get better MPG.

 

I agree. The MDX engine is for sure behind their competitors on many technological dimensions. But the overall quality and execution is better than its competitors if that makes sense. I would not want to own a Korean car. Some of their engines have well documented issues. The Koreans may have more power and more features but the quality and reliability are not their in comparison to Acura.

 

I used the car comparison as a prelude as to what to expect with the MDX, as they both have the same drivetrain.

I think you and I agree that Acura is a great brand backed by excellent engineering. But Acura's conservatism has disappointed me. I wanted a Type S but got tired of waiting and not knowing the price. I gave up waiting in June and bought a regular MDX.

I get your point about drag racing and that's not my objective. I like the seat of your pants rush when you accelerate while merging or getting on the highway. I have had sport bikes since being 16 years old and survived so I don't need to get my canyon thrills from an SUV.

Acura could have launched this motor with a timing chain, closed deck block and air to water intercooler like the Germans if they were serious about making waves in this segment. This engine should have had 400 hp, Even the Infiniti 3 litre has 400 hp.

This will be a fantastic vehicle for your wife and for you too if she lets you drive it.

Thanks for your comments.

 

It is highly doubtful that a single turbo V6 (such as the Honda J-series twin-scroll single turbo V6) can crank out 400hp. Almost all production 400+hp turbo-V6 engines are employing 2 turbochargers or 2 superchargers, one on each bank of the V6 engine.

 

Excellent point! Acura didn't put much thought or effort into this engine.

 

I believe that Acura has no intention of building any mass production car or SUV with 400hp for the time being, except for the $170K USD NSX supercar.

 

better than the Koreans perhaps. BMW and MB turbo6 motors are ridiculously good. The b58 is rock solid reliable for example and gets excellent MPG with almost no NVH.

 

I don't think the '22 MDX Type S is going to be faster than my '16 GL450.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...c-test-review/

I'd be super impressed if it did!

 

In the 2022 QX60 Infiniti has a (wait for it) 295 HP V6

I'm not interested in a sedan and you keep going to sedan data.

Acura could have done all kinds of things... and built a 90,000 SUV that their target customers don't want to spend.

If I'm going to drop 90k, its going to be on an Mercedes AMG GLE Coupe, not an Acura

Even if you want to buy the (in my opinion) not as sporty looking GLE 450 with their 3 liter I-6 you have very similar performance data to the type S (and if you outfit the GLE 450 with any options you're way more expensive than the type S is likely to be.)

Honestly, if I could get one "today" I'd get my deposit back on the type S and buy her the AMG GLE 53 Coupe. But I called and we wouldn't be able to get the Mercedes until at least March/April (and I expect that was probably optimistic)



I'm totally open to something that performs better and is as, or more luxurious AND dependable as the Acura MDX. I'm just not seeing it anywhere.

Which is why... if someone wants to knock the MDX Type S performance... OK. show me the alternative. A little sedan isn't an alternative. The infiniti QX60 has the SAME HP as the BASE MDX

We can talk engines all day long... Doesn't matter if no one is putting them in a midsize SUV.

I think Acura got it just about right with the Type S. They took a reliable and classy vehicle everyone LOVED. The MDX... and they souped one up a bit for those of us that wanted something a little more perform-y.

My fiance would have been perfectly happy with the regular MDX for errands to the store and field trips with the dog. I wanted something a little peppier for when I drive her car.

Acura knows their lane... and they stayed in it... and I think compared to other vehicles in its class... ahead of the pack with the Type S


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You are correct……..I think people forget Acura has thrived on the idea of making vehicles that offer a little bit of everything. The MDX is no exception………It offers a sportier brand of luxury vehicle for a reasonable price and established reliability. The Type S just adds a little more sportiness and performance. Most people will never get to use all of the power of the 355 Horsepower engine the Type S has. Having 400 or 500 or more is completely useless for every day practical driving and only sucks up more gas.

 

It is indeed lighter, but I expect that it'll still get beat at the drag strip by the Q7. Keep in mind the Q7 is as fast as a TLX Type S: 0-60 in 5.0s, 1/4-mile in 13.7s per C&D.

That said, I bet the MDX-S will be more fun to drive and faster around a track...but who exactly is buying a 3-row family crossover to drive at the track? I think there's a reason why performance crossovers focus more on power, with handling being an afterthought.

 

What do you think of the Lincoln Aviator? 3 litre engine with 400 hp and 415 lb-ft of torque. Quite a beasty little engine from Ford.

 

The big surprise to me is the curb weight of the MDX Type-S of almost 4800lbs. I saw this on Temple of VTEC: https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?...tem_id=1461738

 

Was it not expected that MDX-S would weigh about 200lb more than regular MDX based on weight increase of TLX-S?

 

4,800 lbs is for the MDX Type-S with Advance Package. The base MDX Type-S will definitely weight less, without all the extra accessories such as massaging front seats.

 

Actually its funny you mention that because every time I see an Aviator I marvel at it. I think it looks fantastic and all those ponies under the hood.

I just don't think much of Ford right now. I bought all Fords for my company/engineers... I drive an F-350 Crew Cab diesel (I use to haul a 27 foot powerboat before I traded in for a yacht). So I currently don't haul anything but will likely pick up some more toys (thinking an Airstream Base Camp 20) so I like big trucks. That said I CAN'T STAND the poor quality of American manufacturers and for a 'fleet' customer I don't appreciate how I've been treated by Ford recently... In fact.. I'm disgusted by Ford considering how many Fords I've owned, the quality issues I've had with current fleet. I even stayed with Ford through the shit-show that was the 6.0L Powerstroke. But with my last round of purchases quality issues and poor customer service, Ford has successfully lost me as a customer as a matter of principle. So in spite of the Aviator looking cool, and having a great powerplant. I don't trust Ford 'quality'. If Honda made heavy duty luxury pickups, I'd replace the fleet with them. I don't know what I'm going to replace them with now. Probably GMC. But the MDX Type S is a birthday gift for my fiance..

I bought my fiance's daughter a 2010 MDX with very low miles a few years back and its been a fantastic car for her. Great in the snow. Very reliable, and the service at the local Acura dealer is actually SERVICE. I'm super impressed with the dealer and their level of service compared to Ford. (the bar was pretty low at Ford).

They've treated my daughter (fiance's daughter) very very well and been great during this slog waiting for Acura to release the Type S. (I wish Acura itself had been more forthcoming with information on real release dates vs. stringing people along.)

Now that it appears we finally have a date when delivery will start. I'm not looking at anything else anymore. If I could go back to Jan 2020 when I put a deposit on the Type S... I'd have bought her the Mercedes GLE AMG 53 Coupe instead. I think I could have taken delivery of one of those in time for her birthday. I might buy myself a GLE AMG 63 for a second vehicle (not counting motorcycles). I think its a slick looking crossover and something to take when I don't want the stiff annoying ride of my SuperDuty.

 

So about the MDX....

 

HFS can we stop with the smooth brain bullshit and get back to talking cars or in this case engines?

 

Where are the mods? Take this BS to the Offtopic R&P section

 

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y’all are still mad huh? Take this bs somewhere else.

 

 

TLX Type S vs TLX A-Spec drag race. How much of an acceleration difference?

 

Supply chain issues are related but politics are not, go over to R&P to discuss politics if you wanna discuss that.


FWIW, as far as supply chain woes for the MDX, I was at a wedding in Austin over the weekend and a few chip people were at the wedding (Nvidia, NXP, and MicroChip) which we discussed chip fab problems. Biggest issue is supply of processed wafers from Taiwan's TSMC, the best open and largest by far chip fab supplier in the world. Director at NXP said it's really bad in their auto sector (NXP is the #2 auto chip supplier in the world), mostly due to TSMC issues but the disruption of the Texas power grid caused a month delay getting both of their Texas fabs back up. Best guess from everyone when the chip woes will be over is mid-2022.

 

I mean aren’t there electronics companies that make their own chips instead of outsourcing? Can’t the auto industry purchase chips from them until the shortage from the other providers subsides. You walk into any Best Buy and they literally have TV’s stacked up everywhere. In other words the chip shortage doesn’t seem to be affecting general consumer electronics.

 

I just came here to read about the new MDX...

 

My understanding from the article was that the "platform" for microchips most car manufacturers use are out-dated and cheap, therefore most fab/foundry (semiconductor manufacturers) don't want to supply for them. They would rather supply companies like Apple and others making consumer products as those are based on newer "platforms" and have more flexibility in their production for other industries. Because of the high demand in nearly everything right now, there is more money to be made if they use their facilities to crank out phone, computer, tv, etc microchips, instead of those used in cars. And from a business perspective, that makes complete sense.

The only way the manufacturers could have avoided shooting themselves in the foot was to own and run their own fabs. Which they will probably now do (at least in some form). But until then, they have to deal with the problem they created themselves. I understand chip technology will constantly be changing, but if they have more ownership of the manufacturer process they can stay on top of the changes, deal with the added environmental and regulatory challenges, etc. Seems like the auto industry needs to pool their money together and get a co-op foundry started, specifically focused on cars.

Honestly, I think a lot of these problems we are dealing with right now will have some positive consequences for the US into the future.

 

I think this is spot on. The foundries seem to have plenty of capacity but are unwilling to invest further into old technology. I thought I read somewhere 14nm+ was the average die size for automotive. Since it takes billions of dollars and lots of time to spin-up or add to a fab 14nm investment not too attractive unless automakers fund it.

Another interesting one today reveals that Ford decided to partner with Global foundries. Not sure what "non-binding" means but this general thinking will in fact "will have some positive consequences for the US into the future". AutoNews

 

Bingo. It's really not that complicated. Supply right now on everything is low (because of the pandemic... production stalled, logistical costs went up, etc), and demand is historically high. So there is a shortage. The auto industry was not prepared for it. They will either need to spend money to setup there own foundries, or contract (pay more than they have been) to third party foundries to guarantee production for them in times like this.

It will resolve, but it is going to take time. The government didn't do anything to cause this. They can maybe try to assist in resolving the problem, but for the most part the auto industry is going to have to figure it out for themselves.

 

next political post in mdx section will get a week vacation. Keep political opinions in religion and politics. Mdx discussion only! Warnings issued.

If you have an issue following the rules your account will be banned.

 

No worries... I'll show myself to the door. Our Type S should be here shortly

EDIT: Personal attacks are not tolerated either. Doesn't seem like he can read the rules...

 

Feel free. We are trying to keep politics out and car related discussion areas. Thank you for your opinions! Religion and Politics is in ramblings.

 

MDX Type S is vaporware.