Edward'TLS

It says "one of the two NEW powertrains". Don't know if the output is still the MDX's 290hp or the RLX's 310hp ?

The dreadful torque-steer phenomenon is what limits the maximum hp that can be applied to the front wheels for 2WD vehicles, and still maintain good handling characteristics.

BGR

The GV80 was tested test 6.5 seconds for the TTV6. Enjoy!

AcuraGuy2016

If 6.5s for a TT have no interest in that. Way too slow.

In any case the MDX is not using a Turbo 4. So as long as they don't make it too big it might be a contender.

AcuraGuy2016

Did they say what size it will be? I'm really tired of automakers making vehicles too big just for style. That makes it so much harder to park.

I otherwise really like the look of the new MDX, provided it is not too big. Have they provided dimensions yet?

datechboss101

Finally, the J35 is staying. The K20 in the MDX would have honestly pushed my family away from Honda and Acura for good. Might be getting the 4th gen for my father.

Modern garages? The current one fits in modern garages already. And Parking outside or inside depends on where you live. Not everyone has the luxury to have a garage.

ESHBG

Ha ha well if so they went too far the other way and shouldn't have, as this has the makings of all of the things you would want to talk about/show.

honda_nut

I'm surprised there was no introduction video other than the useless video that tested every single snapchat filter available. For being Acura's best selling vehicle, you'd think that someone like Ikeda would want to make an introduction video highlighting the changes and not just release a summary page. Their entire marketing department really needs to be canned. Even the TLX commercials are corny as hell. A Western scene to introduce a Japanese luxury sedan seems completely out of tune. Seems to me like the marketing guys are more in line with creating short films, than advertising vehicles.

fiatlux

Don’t worry, the marketing dept will be releasing MDX vs Q7 and MDX vs GLE and MDX vs RX and MDX vs 2015 X5 ads-I-mean-unbiased-reviews soon.

honda_nut

Lmao, those comparison videos were so cringe worthy. Btw, here's a more detailed video than what Acura released. Look at all the interior color choices. Definitely a welcome change that again was not included with the TLX. Also surprised by the amount of piano black policy. Not a fan of that or the window trim extension into the filter if I'm being nitpicky.

florissant

Will there be a 4G MDX Forum?

iutodd

The 3.5L MDX will be a great car. That was prob the “right” decision...

However it is going to be incredibly dumb when they only release one trim with the 3.0t - this is 100% the wrong decision. They need a “regular” 3.0t model and it’s ludicrous that they don’t have one. You can’t “move upmarket” with a 25 year old V6 under the hood. I don’t care how good the interior is - this is the big leagues and they are leaving their big league engine in the bullpen.

Also people are pissed that the $52K TLX Type-S won’t have certain features. How pissed are people gonna be when the $65K+ MDX Type-S doesn’t have certain features?!?

I think Acura has to quickly pivot to A-Spec 3.0t and Type-S 3.0t models (which are fully loaded) and/or Type-S/Type-S Advance models. They can cover some of the ground with PMC editions...but that’s a temp bandaid unless they are changing how the PMC stuff works.

iutodd

Unless I've missed something this will be the first application of the 10AT+J35+SHAWD. Powertrain is the key word here - it is a new powertrain.

mrgold35

The +18 RLX tech had the J35+10AT; but, no sh-awd.

I would like to find out what improvements Acura made to the J35 with hp/tq numbers and 10AT. I wonder if the next Gen sh-awd system for the 3.5L and 3.0T Type-S will be the same with more rear bias?

fiatlux

It will be the same 4th gen system found in the RDX and TLX. More info on that system can be found at https://hondanews.com/en-US/releases...ll-wheel-drive

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

They did a great job on the MDX. The interior is spot on and the exterior styling is beautiful. Flows very well. I really dislike the bumper on the TLX where it meets the hood. Reminds me of the Charger. On the MDX, it's way better with the hood extending towards the front more. The interior is definitely worth the 60K. It's like the MDX team took the time to do it right, while the TLX team was on another world. I would hope they keep the N/A V6 for the base trims and have the 3.0T V6 for the type-s trim. The 2.0T is not powerful enough for the MDX. Only thing that might hurt the MDX is the cost. If the MDX passes 70K (fully loaded advance or type-s) I think it may hurt them. I'm positive it will still sell well.

honda_nut

The 2.0T is not gonna happen if you read the press release, so that's good news. For pricing, I do think it will climb upwards but probably not as much as the TLX. An extra 5k throughout seems reasonable for what you get, especially when compared to the competition. Even a similarly equipped GV80 seems to be thousands more, at least from the initial pricing from Genesis. Acura mentioned that the MDX was becoming too mainstream and I kinda agree. There was not much price or feature difference between it and the Pilot. I see just as many MDXs as Pilots in my area, even in families that normally would not have swung a lux car.

BLEXV6

The new vehicle looks great ,especially the interior. I am so glad they kept the V6 as this is a great motor. That said,my present MDX will be my last as I am close to retirement, and it will be time to downsize and get into something like a CRV, for financial reasons.

Edward'TLS

Seems like the hybrid trim can't make it into the upcoming 2022 MDX lineup.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Wait, is it confirmed that the MDX Type S will only come in one trim like the TLX Type S? That's a disappointment if true. The MDX is a volume vehicle car Acura and I feel that they could at least offer two trims for the MDX (Tech and Advance).

I wonder what that Power Monitor thing is in the digital LCD screen.

AcuraGuy2016

The Sport-Hybrids were some of the best powertrains Acura made! Our 2019 MDX SH is amazing. We liked it so much, would have bought an RLX SH for our other vehicle, if not for the RLX other shortcomings (dinosaur infotainment and fixed Comfort+ suspension). They should have updated the RLX infotainment and added IDS with adjustable dampers to the RLX SH - would have been amazing.

You'd think Acura would keep Sport Hybrids and further develop them. They are literally having your cake and eating it to - excellent fuel economy around the city AND better performance all around. This was a winner.

With the direction to improve CAFE, Sport Hybrids allow that to be met without sacrificing meaningful performance. They make sense.

mrgold35

I did the same and liked my 19 MDX hybrid so much and added a CPO 18 RLX Hybrid to the stable. It is soooo nice getting the same mpg in my MDX hybrid as my 06 TSX w/ 5AT.

alpha0

Acura was ahead of the curve in 2015 with sport hybrid. At that time, market was not ready to consider hybrid and performance together. And poor choices made in RLX (what you mentioned) also did not help. Infact Acura needed V6 turbo at that time for current generation of TLX/RLX. Now market is more ready to accept hybrid as performance variants becuase most manufacturers have started doing this.

If i have to choose between TLX Type S - 1 with 10 AT, V6 turbo and mechanical shawd (355 hp and torque) and other configuration with 7 DCT and sport hybrid with same power and torque (J35 + batteries), i would pick the second option.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The Sport hybrid system also cures the two main drawbacks of DCT - random/potential jerkiness and clutch slipping when "inching" forward. The electric motors just absorb the random jerkiness, and when inching forward at a stop light or in a traffic light, the engine is simply off and the car is in full EV mode.

It's such a great system that I wish Acura would continue developing it for more cars.

Imagine the Type S with 355hp V6T along with a 75hp Sport hybrid boost for 430hp total while getting 30mpg combined. All the while you still get AWD traction and enhanced handling.

mrgold35

That would probably be a +$70,000 vehicle with 3.0T+hybrid tech along with any MDX Type-S go fast parts. My affordable compromise is a Sport Hybrid with the 2.0T+hybrid tech with 336hp/351tq (not sure about the 7DCT or 10AT is the best choice). This MDX might be more balanced with less nose weight and lower center of gravity. The sport hybrid will still get equal city/hwy/combine mpgs of 27-29 mpgs depending on transmission. It wouldn't have the Type-S go fast/stop hard hardware and body kit; but, the sport hybrid would have all the Adv model features if you select that model (please no cpt chairs). I don't like how Acura is excluding Adv model features from the Aspec and Type-S TLX.

iutodd

The press release says that the 3.0t will be a Type-S Exclusive engine.

So unless Acura quickly pivots to multiple trims of the Type-S I think they’re making a big mistake.

fiatlux

I wouldn't mind higher performing Type-S variants. Keep in mind that the Type-S is basically the next step up from the base model for a lot of the competition, so a hopped up Type-S would be a nice addition. As it currently is, the MDX Type-S is comparable to the GLE450, Q7 55, and X5 xDrive40i. A Type-S Sport Hybrid with around 400HP would be able to compete with the likes of the GLE53. And then an even hotter version with 450+hp might be able to compete with the GLE580 or X5 xDrive50i, maybe even the 500hp SQ7.

RLX-Sport Hybrid

Don't forget the venerable Volvo XC90T8. 57+ mpg and 400 on demand hp with snazzy shoes and sounds is a tough competitor for the new MDX.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

I suspect that we won't see a 2.0t + sport hybrid in the mdx though. They purposely left out the 2.0t from the MDX. Its likely the car wasnt designed to fit that engine.

For the mdx, I really think Acura can afford having two type s trims....I also don't like how the type s is missing features on the tlx and I'm worried it will be the same for the mdx.

Really hope there will be at least two trims for the type s...

iutodd

^Even if the MDX Type-S is fully loaded it's still a huge mistake to have the best engine only on one super sporty trim. Acura can talk about how they aren't a "luxury" company but "luxury" buyers shop them especially on the SUV side. The sedan side is different although they should still have a "fully loaded" Type-S (or just make the Type-S fully loaded). Although if Acura doesn't have a fully loaded "launch edition" PMC TLX Type-S they are REALLY dumb.

Anyway...luxury buyers will want a "luxury" 3.0t MDX and Acura is leaving money on the table not having one. Again some sort of "launch edition" PMC MDX Type-S makes a ton of sense - but they either need to keep offering those OR they need to shift the trim structure.

Gen4MDX

The 3.0T sounds great and Acura may eventually start using in the base models, however you are assuming the 3.0 will be a great motor. The j35, has a proven record on longevity and reliability. I will take a naturally aspirated engine anyday over a boosted motor, even if it is a mature motor. Turbos may be the future, but it is mainly to get better CAFE mpg which looks great on paper. Turbos rarely live up to their mpg ratings.

moose66

Although probably more reliable these days, turbos are something else that will/can fail. Typically failing before an engine working alone will.

Gen4MDX

my main concern was that if they put the 2.0T in it, that puppy is going to be working really hard moving the new MDX around and mainly will be in boost which kills your mileage. In my case, I also plan to tow 2500-3000 lbs on occasion and the 2.0 won’t cut it IMO, there is NO replacement for displacement. I’ll take the j35 all day long!

Edward'TLS

Unfortunately, this is the automotive trend right now. Due to the ever stringent CAFE requirement, force-induction engines are the future, unless there is a breakthrough in auto engine technology that combines adequate horsepower output and excellent fuel economy. Gone are the good old days with large displacement naturally-aspirated engines and in V8/V10/V12 powerplants.

AcuraGuy2016

Keep the Sport Hybrids!!! That is amazing unique Acura technology that genuinely improves CAFE, especially for most commuting and around town and suburban driving situations!

Sport Hybrids can allow the reliable smooth NA engines while both increasing performance AND fuel economy. Seriously, if you have contacts with Acura, tell them that. My larger MDX Sport Hybrid is MORE FUN to drive than my 3G TL and 1G TLX and all the 3G RDX loaners I've had!!

It is almost Porsche fun (for me) when driven in Sport Sequential mode. The 7DCT is amazing. Much much better than both the 9ZF and 10-Speed Honda/Acura.

Acura Sport Hybrid is an underrated technology that provides a genuine advantage over the competition. Lexus Hybrids are BORING to drive. Acura Sport Hybrids are FUN. Someone tell Ikeda that. SH is precision crafted performance.

Gen4MDX

the problem is that they cannot tow anything larger then a bike rack😡

mrgold35

I don't think there are a lot folks cross shopping hybrid vehicles that can tow 3500-5000lbs. Probably the same % of folks that are interested in the 3.0T 355hp Type-S MDX are not looking to tow with that. It would be nice if the hybrid and Type-S MDX could tow 3500-5000lbs. Acura could make the 4th Gen hybrid with a regular AT instead of the DCT for towing duties. Acura could even make a regular 3.5L+10AT fwd up front and twin motor units in the rear for a hybrid of the hybrid 3rd gen powertrain. Bike rack, swing out cargo carrier, or roof top cargo box takes care of me 100% with my 19 MDX hybrid.

moose66

Well really not an apples to apples comparison, but if Ford can have a V6, twin turbo, hybrid F-150 that can tow 12,000 pounds, why not Acura/Honda? LOL. Yeah I know, a whole different ball game.

fiatlux

I think it’s the DCT that can’t handle the extra load, especially from a stop. Some folks think it’s the E-AWD system, but if it were the case they can just add a tow setting where the rear motors are disabled.

Gen4MDX

Reason I posted is that acuraguy is raving about the sport hybrid like it should almost be the only engine, that just doesn’t cut it for my needs. Glad to have the 3.5, the upcoming 3.0t and maybe a forthcoming hybrid. ONE SIZE does not fit all!✌️

bmoua15

Agreed! My Hybrid beasts through corners like cake compared to my Lexus IS350 Fsport with wider 245F/265R tires. My buddy who drives a 3series 335i test drove my Hybrid the other day and started smiling and responded with "Now I see why you bought this SUV"

Since Acura is keeping the 3.5 V6 with I assume the same tune as the RLX Hybrid, the chances of a Hybrid version is a lot better than I expected.