Stew4HD

Much love for Espresso

moose66

Yes sir. Love it. Should offer it across the board with all external colors. I'd love the Fathom Blue Pearl with an Espresso interior. Of course in a hybrid!!!!!

mcrompton

When I got a 2019 RDX I really wanted black over espresso, but it wasn't available. Of course it did become an option on the 2020.

mrgold35

My top choice would be the Performance Red Adv+Aspec with either ebony or graystone interior (bonus with the hybrid powertrain). Looks like the +$70,000 Type-S MDX will be the only version that will come close to that.

Gen4MDX

Mrgold, did they release pricing for the Type S or is that what you think it will be?

mrgold35

Just a S.W.A.G. with minimal discounts, dealer mark ups, $1000 destination charge, accessories, and TTL. Adding the 1000 watt/25 speaker system, massaging seats, air suspension, and 355hp 3.0T won't be a $1500 premium like the 3.5L sh-awd -vs- the 3.0L hybrid.

Midwestuser1

My SWAG guess is 65-67K for the MDX Type S. /

mrgold35

I think Acura will HAVE to keep the MDX Type-S under $70,000 to make it competitive (low to mid $60,000 range is what I'm hoping for also).

fiatlux

Agreed, at $70K you're getting too close to the X5 M50i and SQ7 with their twin-turbo V8. At that price point I doubt many buyers are thinking they can't afford to pay a little bit more for substantially more power.

Gen4MDX

Thinking X5 40i is more in the 70k range, I just built one on their website with very similar features to the 2022 MDX Advance and the MSRP was 72K the M50i is much more expensive. I can see the Type S in the high 60’s and I am sure there will be a “market adjustment” taking it over 70k. Based on what every dealer around here has told me, none of the current 2022 MDX’s (non Type S) will be sold below MSRP. They know the have a winner and the Type S will be even more exotic. Sure, after a year or so, you will have some negotiating power, but certainly not at launch and at least they are being transparent with that information.

Midwestuser1

[QlUOTE=tsturbo;16683382]Thinking X5 40i is more in the 70k range, I just built one on their website with very similar features to the 2022 MDX Advance and the MSRP was 72K the M50i is much more expensive. I can see the Type S in the high 60’s and I am sure there will be a “market adjustment” taking it over 70k. Based on what every dealer around here has told me, none of the current 2022 MDX’s (non Type S) will be sold below MSRP. They know the have a winner and the Type S will be even more exotic. Sure, after a year or so, you will have some negotiating power, but certainly not at launch and at least they are being transparent with that information.[/QUOTE]'

Selling at MSRP won’t last very long.

moose66

They’ll be able to get MSRP or something close at least for the first couple of years. Unless folks don’t bite at all. After a couple of years, the first wave of leases start coming back and then they’ll have the pre-owned market to compete with. Although supply of pre-owned will be limited, it will be a viable option to buying new and taking that depreciation hit. I definitely can see no deals at the onset to take advantage of those who must have the latest version at any cost.

Gen4MDX

Absolutely agree, even the non Type S is going to command MSRP for a year +/-
They have a winner and it is the Flagship!
My salesperson already has 34 deposits and he is one of fourteen salesman, this is going to be a huge hit!

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

I don't see how the Type S can be in the low 60's when the Adv. with Del. is $61,675. The Type S will be at least $65 to maybe $70K. IMHO

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Disagree turbo....Acura will be pumping these out and the supply will get up there where it needs to be fairly soon. Those '20's move out and the
'22's will be flowing. So, that "year +/-........no way! I'm not paying MSRP....already been told by the dealer I always buy from. Yes, I know...I get
extra treatment....but, so do many others that are repeat cust. IF I were a first time buyer at a dealer, I wouldn't pay MSRP for it. I've owned many
Acuras....and they will depreciate just like most vehicles....and you'd take an even bigger hit if you pay MSRP. IMHO.....

moose66

Maybe we should change the benchmark from MSRP to invoice. How many '22's do you think will leave the lot at or below invoice? I say not many, if any. Even if your local dealership loves you!

ELIN

I got my TLX below invoice at the end of Oct about a month after launch. Then again, the demand for MDX is on a whole different level!

mrgold35

Acura does some weird marketing stuff that hurts their brand. Example of this is the MDX hybrid for only $1500 premium over the 3.5L sh-awd tech/adv version. Acura had to be selling the hybrid at a loss because of some bean counter figured North America don't want/understand hybrids. I don't think I seen a MDX hybrid or RLX hybrid commercial on TV or in a major TV or magazine comparison test other than YouTube. Don't see why those same bean counters won't make the same mistake with the MDX Type-S and it ends up like the RLX (the RLX hybrid has to be underrated for power by at-least 50hp/tq). I think we can count the days for the NSX and that hybrid tech is on the shelf. The hybrid MDX was an absolute steal and the Acura SUV performance/handling/mpg king at that price point.

I can see those same bean counter determining no one wants to pay close to $70,000 for a MDX and limit production to keep demand up at a lower MSRP of mid-upper $60k (PMC MDX/TLX as an example). Then I can see those same bean counters not upgrading the Type-S powertrain/luxury/tech/ELS for the MMC and not trickling down the Type-S tech like 1000 watt ELS, massaging seats, or air suspension down to the Advance models after the MMC (slowly killing the Type-S it like the 18-20 RLX hybrid).

Meanwhile, Honda upgrades the Pilot with air suspension, rear cooled seats, and massaging front seats by 2025 (we are still waiting for that for our 2025 +MMC MDXs)

Nexx

I agree with you 100% on how good the Hybrid MDX and RLX are and how underrated they are but answer this for me. What other Hybrid three row SUV commercial or marketing have you seen? What other Hybrid three row SUV sells in large quantities. None is your answer.

fiatlux

Other than the XC90, I can't think of any other three row hybrid crossovers that exists in this space. But for that matter, I do see a lot of TV commercials for the XC90 T8. How many sales can be attributed to that, I don't know since they don't break down the sales figures by powertrain, but you can't say they don't market it.

And as far as mainstream brands are concerned, Toyota does market their Highlander Hybrid. IIRC they even had some Super Bowl ads for it last year.

ELIN

I know Toyota sells a 3-row Highlander Hybrid. It gets 35 mpg combined fuel econ. I would imagine this sells?

The Lexus equivalent would be the RX450hL that gets 29 mpg combined.

fiatlux

Conveniently, Toyota does split out hybrid sales. They sold 212K Highlanders last year, 48K of which were hybrids (22%). Unfortunately, they don't split out RX and RX-L sales, so no telling how many were of the 3-row variety, but given that the third row is functionally useless in the RX-L, it really shouldn't count anyways.

mrgold35

I don't remember seeing a lot of hybrid or EV car commercials and "almost" every manufacturer has one? I think Volvo decided to go 100% EV and hybrid in the next 5-10 years. Matter of time before others follow soon after. We are just 10-15 years too soon in North America for EV and hybrid powertrains.

moose66

The XC90 is a hybrid? I thought it was plug-in? Although I guess that technically is a hybrid if it isn't completely electric. When I think pure hybrid, I think battery pack plus fuel cell without plug-in.

mcrompton

In general a hybrid is a car that uses an electric and gasoline engine together. A plug-in hybrid does the same thing as a standard hybrid but can also run in a (limited) all electric mode. Electric cars are as stated, pure electric.

fiatlux

A plug-in hybrid that doesn't plugged in functions just like a regular hybrid, only it has a much larger battery pack than a regular hybrid would.

moose66

Thanks for the education. I should have known this as we have a member who posted a bit about the differences between his Volvo and our hybrids along with how nice the Volvo is.

mcrompton

Plug-in hybrids (and EVs obviously) also qualify for a tax credit, where as regular hybrids do not. At least on the federal level.