What kind of tires would you guys recommend for 07 TL Type S? Running Michelin MXM4 right now but they are about done now. What you guys running on yours?

 

I have Bridgestone Potenza RE960 Pole Positions, but am switching to Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus...

The stock MXM4 are garbage. I've previously run Pilot Sport A/S (Non-Plus), and loved those, they just wore out prematurely, but the Plus version actually has a treadwear warranty.

I love the RE960AS, I'm just switching to test out the Pilot Sport A/S Plus. I like how the Pilot Sport A/S series looks a little more aggressive than the RE960...

Either way, they have great traction wet or dry, and actually did pretty well in the snow as well... (I live on a hill)

 

Totally agree what avs007 stated. The MXM4 were short lived. I just purchased the Michelin "Pilot Sport A/S Plus. They ride great on dry pavement and wet, plus look great. I spent a lot of time researching tires for my '07 TL....these were the best.

 

Grand Touring All Season: Bridgestone Turanza Serenity or Kumho Escta LX Plantinum
High Performance All Season: Michelin Pilot Exalto A/S
Ultra High Performance All Season: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus or Pirelli PZero Nero A/S

Those are the choices I recommend for the TL depending on what tire category you want to put on. The Grand Touring are going to give you the best ride quality and quietest ride which I think work best of the Base TL

I think the UHP all seasons are the better choices if you have the Type-S and are willing to sacrifice a little bit in ride quality/noise level in order to have all season road grip, traction, and handling capabilities!

 

Bridgestone 760 Sports

 

^ - x2. I like those tires.

 

I got my mine for $600 shipped from tire rack. And they are relatively quiet too, which is key for me.

 

don't get the Pirelli PZero Nero A/S. I ran those a long time ago on a different car. They get way noisy after a few thousand miles, and start to get scary on the wet halfway through the treadlife.

 

so do Bridgestone's, I am having the same problem with the Serenity's right now and in the past with other Bridgestones; as soon as they get some wear on them the noise level and ride quality deteriorate quickly and they wear out quicker

your best bet is Michelin but of course they are expensive but if you can afford them then all power to you!

 

Bridgestones are hit or miss depending on the model tire... The Turanzas, (which is what comes standard on some model TLs) for example, are garbage... The RE960AS Pole Positions, are actually quite good. I have them on 3 cars right now, including the TL. The TL has logged almost 50,000 miles on the current set. The Pilot Sport A/S I ran earlier went bald after 20,000 miles, so I'm crossing my fingers the Pilot Sport A/S Plus are better, since they have a 45,000 mile warranty. If your serenity is a Turanza with Serenity TEchnology, that could explain your beef with bridgestone

Michelin's are hit or miss too... The Pilot, MXM4, and Energy tires are all sh!t tires that wear out quick and have terrible traction.

 

I haven't heard anyone complain about the Pirelli until you have but you have to remember they are UHP all seasons and your not going to get 70-80k miles out of them like a passenger tire. The tires I have had in the past that were the best for tire wear have been Michelin and Kumho.

Do you have your Michelin's put on and balanced at the same place/machine that your Bridgestone's were done at? That could make a huge difference what kind of life you get out of your tires. My local Bridgestone dealer doesn't even have a Hunter Roadforce balancer, how pathetic!

Yeah, I would have a beef with Bridgestone but it isn't just the Turanza series tires I have had wear issues with but also Dueller and one Potenza. The Serenity's are one of their most expensive top of the line all season grand touring tire they sell and costs almost $250 bucks a tire and I'm not even going to get 20k out of them! There tires are just as expensive if not more than Michelin and they have some nerve charging that much for tires which I haven't been able to get good wear out of and I've read other's on tire rack having the same issues with Bridgestone. I read and heard good things about the Pirelli's yet you didn't have good luck so who knows. Alot of factors go into how long your tread life will be on the car and it can vary.

I have not read or heard the wear issues with Michelin like I have for Bridgestone.

 

It was actually quite common. On tirerack, the PZero Nero M+S A/S used to be one of the top rated tires, but it quickly dropped several positions when people complained that after a few thousand miles they get noisy while at the same time, handling takes a nose dive.

I don't expect them to. Like I said, I was quite happy with the Pilot Sport A/S, despite them going bald after 20,000 miles. So much so, I'm buying the Plus version... I could care less if they actually last 45,000 miles, but at least if they don't, I can get some credit towards another tire....

I have no experience with Kumho, but based on my experience with other Michelin Tires, I found them to suck.... Hydro Edge, Energy MXV4 Plus, Pilot HX MXM4, all these tires sucked. Hydro Edge was noisy as hell... Energy was moderately quiet, but the UHP Yokohamas I had were actualy quieter. But the biggest strike against the Energy is their lack of grip and tendency to hydroplane in the wet. The MXM4 were also garbage. My wife thought the RE960AS were much quieter, and the MXM4 gets out-handles in every category, especially wet traction and snow traction. Those tires went bald at 30,000 miles.

Yes actually... Except for the MXM4, those came stock on the car.

I paid $600 for a pair of Pilot Sport A/S, in a 275/40-18, while fantastic tires, went bald after 20,000 miles... Have RE960AS on that car now, and after ~25,000 miles, I still have ~ 8/32" tread left, which is more than half. And those tires were a shade under $500 for a pair. Haven't really noticed any handling deficiencies compared to the pilots, but they do look less aggressive as the treads are a smidgen narrower for the same size tire.

With that being said, when I got my tires, the RE960AS was the only UHP tire with a treadwear warranty of any kind. So if they wore out at 20,000 miles (which I'm ok with), then I get some credits towards another tire... With my Pilot Sport A/S, when they wore out at 20,000 miles, I was SOL. Now that the Pilot Sport A/S Plus has a warranty too, I'm giving them a shot.... So sure, Bridgestones may have some "nerve" charging that much for a tire, but at least they put their product where their mouth is, and back up their tire with a 40,000 treadwear warranty, which no other tire company was willing to do, until Michelin stepped up with the Pilot Sport A/S Plus. I'm honestly surprised I managed 50,000 miles on my set of RE960AS on the TL.

But anyways, I'm not here to argue with you about whose right or wrong, I'm just giving the OP my experience with these tires.... Although, I was honestly surprised you recommended the Turanza, becuase that tire is almost universally hated by TL owners, thanks to the Turanza EL 42 that came stock on some model TLs...

 

I have had very good overall luck with Yokies over the years. They do tend to flat spot a little bit in really cold weather but other than that they are a pretty quiet and nice riding tire.

Oh, don't worry, I'm going to be raising holy hell with Bridgestone to get another new set of Serenity's put on because they had a 45k mile tread wear warranty, but I expect in the end to get a song and dance about them.

Are you talking about the M+S Pirelli's or the A/S? I've heard some problems with the M/S Pirelli's but not with the newer A/S they came out with? Most Michelin tires are crap, especially all the OEMs that the car companies put on. But I've had great luck in the past with the Primacy's, and heard nothing but good things about the Exalto's and Sport A/S Plus so hopefully they will be good for you when you get them.

 

The tires I had were the PZero Nero M&S All Season. A quick look at tirerack, and it looks like it was replaced with a newer tire. (Which I didn't know)... I'm too scared to try the newer one tho, cuz I hated the older one I loved the Pilot Sport A/S, so that's why I'm getting the Pilot Sport A/S Plus in two weeks...

 

As stated, the MXM4's are garbage, and way overpriced as replacements.

I have had several sets of Michelin Pilot A/S's, and I find them to be excellent.

I normally get 55-60K out of a set, with pretty aggressive driving. Anal on tire pressures, and rotation, though. That's just me

I presently have Kumho ASX's due to budget reasons. I really wanted to find things wrong with this tire, but have been pleasantly surprised thus far. Very quiet. Not up to the Pilots in dry handling by any means. Cannot judge the treadlife yet.

 

I can understand the apprehension after having the problems with the M/S. But I've read nothing but mostly good reviews of the updated A/S Nero's and their price isn't bad when compared to Michelin and Bridgestone so what ever. I feel the same way about Bridgestone because I've never gotten near the wear I was suppose to. The best I ever got out of a Bridgestone tire was a Potenza I had on a cross over a few years ago and I barely got to 38k with them. That is the best I've done.

I'm apprehensive about getting Serenity's put back on, I guess I'd be willing to try it again if Bridgestone puts them on for next to nothing but I should be getting a lot more than 20k out of them!

 

I'm just curious but since you didn't get the warranty mileage out of your Nero M/S and Pilot Sport A/S, did you go back and complain and get newer versions put on for free or for an adjustment? I would have complain, especially to Michelin, another expensive tire brand like Bridgestone, that you did not get anyway near the mileage out of your Pilot Sports that you should have! You might have been able to get the Pilot Sport A/S Plus's put on for free or at a really reduced adjustment price?

 

At the time, they didn't make the Pilot Sport A/S Plus... And yes, I tried to argue, but they just said that it was a high performance tire, so they don't gaurantee any mileage, and that 20,000 miles is considered "par for the course" for that calibre tire... That's why I switched to the RE960AS, because I didn't want to be spending $300+ a pop every 20,000 miles, which at the time, was < 1 year.

I got decent mileage out of the Neros, as I had almost 30,000 miles on them, and still had good amount of tread left, but they started being vulnerable to hydroplanining like crazy after about 15k-20k miles, so I bit the bullet and got new tires anyways... That's how I ended up with RE960AS on every car I own, cuz that year, I needed to buy new tires for every car I owned at the same time

 

Wow I'm surprised neither tried to help you considering both those tires have a 45k mile tread wear warranty and you didn't get any where near that, especially on the Michelins! So much for not standing by their products. I mean whats the purporse of paying the money for the more expensive tires and warranty if they are not going to honor the warranty? My God, if that is the case, you could just put a set of Yokies ADVAN S.4s which have no warranty and it be the same!

Thats what I'm waiting for Bridgestone to tell me when I go to get new Serenity's put on! Oh, its a performance tire and you got about half the tread life so sorry can't help you. I can't afford the Serenity's outright so I might be looking at a Kumho or Michelin to put on the car. I'll have to wait and see what Bridgestone says.

 

Have any one of you heard of anyone running Kumho ASX? Or General Exclaim UHP? The reviews look pretty good according to tirerack.com but I was wondering if someone with our car ran them and how they were.

 

Well, I've heard nothing but good things about the General Eclaim UHP tire in regards to price/ride quality and low noise level and many people on here have them so someone will comment. The only problem with those are they are not meant for any kind of winter weather driving and most do not recommend them if you live in areas of the US that sees a lot of snowy winter weather. If you do live in one of those areas, I've seen people recommend using them for Spring, Summer, Fall and then getting a dedicated snow tire for the winter months. I personally like getting one set of tires that have all season capabilities but if you have money then having the General's for most of the year and a dedicated winter tire can then be a good option for you.

In regards to the Kumho, someone on here earlier mentioned he has them and likes them overall so he might be able to give you insight on those specific tires, but its been my personal experience with other Kumho tires that they are a excellent overall tire, especially if your on a budget and want a excellent ride quality and low noise level for your drive. They are of course lacking a little bit in road grip/handling compared to what a Michelin, Bridgestone, or Yokie is going to give you but I have never felt they were unsafe!

 

I had the non-plus version of the Pilot Sport A/S. Those didn't have a warranty... Neither did the PZero Nero M&S A/S...

I just checked Tire-rack.. The M&S still don't have a warranty, but the new A/S does... One of these days, I may give them a try again....

Funny you mention the Yoko Advans, I was really close to trying those, since I loved the other yokos I had, but I was wanting to try one that had a warranty, since I was spending a lot for tires in one year...

 

Wow really? I guess Michelin and Pirelli learned a lesson on both those previous versions of the tires because I find it interesting that they both had no warranty before but now both do. Its the same situation with these Serenity's of mine. Bridgestone admits that their mid and lower tier Turanza tires are crap basically, which we all know they are, and redesigned and came out with the Serenity's to improve upon the EL42s and EL400s flaws, just like Michelin did with the Pilot Sport Plus and the Pirelli did with the A/S version of the PNero Zeros!

 

By the way, hopefully your tire guy helps you out... When I was replacing my Pilot Sport A/S, I asked about the 40,000 mile warranty on the RE960, and asked if they would still honor the warranty, even if I can't rotate my tires because my tires (on that car) were staggered from the factory. They said it won't be a problem. They said if the tires go bald at 20,000 miles like the Pilots did, I'd get half my money back to put towards any tire I wanted...

 

See post #15

 

I have an 08 TL-S and have Michelin PS2's for the warm weather (live in N.Y.) march thru october and have Continental DWS Extreme contacts for the colder winter months.... I can tell you without hesitation that I have never driven on a better performing tire than the PS2's..dry they handle unbelievably and quiet, in the rain they stick to the pavement like glue. Very good ride quality as well. Perfect match for this car. Downside is they are expensive but in this case you definitely get what you pay for...The Continentals are a very comfortable tire to drive on and also handle the bad weather very well...also very quiet, much better than any OEM tire that came on the car. Obviously being an all season tire the performance suffers, but not much. For winter months driving , they are perfect. Side note I had Bridgstone 960's on my old 06 TL and loved them. Just wanted better performance in summer on the TL-S.. It's why we got the Type-S right? good luck...

 

It would be quite helpful if you searched a bit as well as maybe posted your location, driving style, and expectations of tires. All of that would make this thread much more useful to the entire community. Everyone has different opinions regarding what tires are junk and what tires are great. For example, I actually didn't mind the EL42 that came on the car OEM. They were quiet, smooth, and did pretty good in the rain. Now they were NOT for spirited driving by any means and were a bit scary in the winter once about 50% worn.

Many users on this forum are in southern states or run dedicated summer/winter tires which means they will be recommending different tires than other users could ever run. Me being in KC cannot get away with running regular UHP tires unless I wanted to buy another set of dedicated winter wheels/tires....which I do not want to do.

There are many, many, many tire threads out there already that cover the basic questions you have asked with the limited amount of information you have provided.

 

Someone asked about Kumho's. I'm a relatively new TL owner ('04) and I bought the car with Kumho Ecsta ASX's more than half worn down. To this inexperienced TL owner, they seem to handle corners excellent, the ride comfort quality is terrible compared to what I'm used to, but the noise is unbearable. It's so irritating, that my buddy swears it's a bearing starting to go bad. I think it's just the tires. Either way, I'm going with a nice new set of Pilot Sport A/S Plus or similar hoping to get a quiet, comfortable decent handling ride.

 

I've had PZero/Nero All Seasons for 30 k in boston and am not happy with them: not good in snow- I've skidded at slow speeds several times- and noisy. Looking to switch to Michelins