A-Spec Review (long)
#41
Neuronbob,
Excellent review!
You have given me hope that the Aspec suspension is the answer to my issues with the TL. I have the 6MT and flat cornering with the larger sway bars is not a problem. My two biggest irritations are the soft and insensensitive steering and the poor damping on rough surfaces. From your review it appears both of this issues are much improved, with little loss in ride comfort. I sure hope they offer the Aspec suspension soon, or I may start looking at Ebay myself. I also like that the drop is only 0.5 inches. I feel the car is low enough as it is.
Thanks again for a great review.
Lakeman
Excellent review!
You have given me hope that the Aspec suspension is the answer to my issues with the TL. I have the 6MT and flat cornering with the larger sway bars is not a problem. My two biggest irritations are the soft and insensensitive steering and the poor damping on rough surfaces. From your review it appears both of this issues are much improved, with little loss in ride comfort. I sure hope they offer the Aspec suspension soon, or I may start looking at Ebay myself. I also like that the drop is only 0.5 inches. I feel the car is low enough as it is.
Thanks again for a great review.
Lakeman
#42
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250 miles later....
I used EVERY excuse in the book to drive the car over the last few days. ("uhhhhh....yeah, honey, I'll get some milk. See you in an hour!") I have driven on rough city roads, smooth freeways, and sped around curves. I have a few more comments.
I must say....the car should've come from the factory with this level of steering sensitivity. Some people like the numb spot in the center of the steering, it's very American, think Cadillac. I think it sucks, and thankfully the A-Spec has taken most of that feeling away. The steering is simply much more precise. The best way I can describe this is that it's much easier to keep the car in the center of a lane of freeway than it was before. In this regard, the A-Spec suspension is helpful even with routine driving (e.g. not driving at the limits).
High-speed freeway curves are a dream. I have had to totally readjust in this regard. With the stock suspension and EL42s, I had to slow considerably when I saw a freeway curve coming to avoid understeer and a sense of instability at the apex of the curve. With the Falkens and A-Spec, I can wait a little longer to slow down prior to the apex, and can accelerate faster right in the apex. The car can clearly handle more speed in the turns than I'm giving it, I just don't want to wreck my new--OK, 8-month-old--car.
The ride quality is really not bad at all. On rougher Cleveland streets, as I said in my original post, I did feel the potholes more. Otherwise, there appears to be adequate damping. I don't feel every single tar strip on either freeway or city street. I still squat slightly on acceleration and dip slightly on deceleration, but these movements are clearly better-controlled than with the stock suspension.
Bottom line: A-Spec is a keeper. I'm glad I waited. Acura did a good job. I'll be comparing with as many similar cars as I can at the "Auto show in Motion" that GM is doing in a few weeks here in Cleveland.
I must say....the car should've come from the factory with this level of steering sensitivity. Some people like the numb spot in the center of the steering, it's very American, think Cadillac. I think it sucks, and thankfully the A-Spec has taken most of that feeling away. The steering is simply much more precise. The best way I can describe this is that it's much easier to keep the car in the center of a lane of freeway than it was before. In this regard, the A-Spec suspension is helpful even with routine driving (e.g. not driving at the limits).
High-speed freeway curves are a dream. I have had to totally readjust in this regard. With the stock suspension and EL42s, I had to slow considerably when I saw a freeway curve coming to avoid understeer and a sense of instability at the apex of the curve. With the Falkens and A-Spec, I can wait a little longer to slow down prior to the apex, and can accelerate faster right in the apex. The car can clearly handle more speed in the turns than I'm giving it, I just don't want to wreck my new--OK, 8-month-old--car.
The ride quality is really not bad at all. On rougher Cleveland streets, as I said in my original post, I did feel the potholes more. Otherwise, there appears to be adequate damping. I don't feel every single tar strip on either freeway or city street. I still squat slightly on acceleration and dip slightly on deceleration, but these movements are clearly better-controlled than with the stock suspension.
Bottom line: A-Spec is a keeper. I'm glad I waited. Acura did a good job. I'll be comparing with as many similar cars as I can at the "Auto show in Motion" that GM is doing in a few weeks here in Cleveland.
#43
Originally Posted by SBTL
Hey Dope,
If you don't like my A-SPEC 18" wheels, just remember.....
my other ride is your sister! :fingerfawk:
2004 TL/6MT/SSM/Ebony/A-SPEC
If you don't like my A-SPEC 18" wheels, just remember.....
my other ride is your sister! :fingerfawk:
2004 TL/6MT/SSM/Ebony/A-SPEC
Well than you better stick with her, cuz you will look a lot better doing so! :sqntfawk:
#44
Originally Posted by DopeTL04
Well than you better stick with her, cuz you will look a lot better doing so! :sqntfawk:
I got to hand it to you Dope...I appreciate a man with an opinion...
....even if it's totally wrong!
I jus luv ma wheels! ...and that's what makes markets.
Sorry bout your sister bro....
#45
Originally Posted by SBTL
So Dope would rather have me ride his sister than my "ugly" 18" A-SPEC wheels!
I got to hand it to you Dope...I appreciate a man with an opinion...
....even if it's totally wrong!
I jus luv ma wheels! ...and that's what makes markets.
Sorry bout your sister bro....
I got to hand it to you Dope...I appreciate a man with an opinion...
....even if it's totally wrong!
I jus luv ma wheels! ...and that's what makes markets.
Sorry bout your sister bro....
first of all I dont have a sister so you can ride her all you want!! It does seem like you dont have good taste though, so If I did have a sister Im sure she would be pretty good looking and I dont think you would realize that.......
Apsec 18" wheels look like :shit:
#46
Originally Posted by DopeTL04
first of all I dont have a sister so you can ride her all you want!! It does seem like you dont have good taste though, so If I did have a sister Im sure she would be pretty good looking and I dont think you would realize that.......
Apsec 18" wheels look like :shit:
Apsec 18" wheels look like :shit:
#48
Originally Posted by SBTL
If she was good looking I'd be riding her just like my beautiful 18" A-SPEC wheels...because I'm the one with the good taste!
I see a lot of thought was put into that one....just like that thought you put into getting the Aspec wheels!
#49
Originally Posted by DopeTL04
I see a lot of thought was put into that one....just like that thought you put into getting the Aspec wheels!
The A-SPEC wheels, howerver are 18", distinctive, great looking, come with great Yokahama tries and most importantly the A-SPEC suspension mods.
And you are right, my decision didn't take a lot of thought...the A-SPEC wheels were so obviously superior it was no contest.
#50
Originally Posted by neuronbob
The steering is simply much more precise.
The ride quality is really not bad at all.
I still squat slightly on acceleration and dip slightly on deceleration, but these movements are clearly better-controlled than with the stock suspension.
I'll be comparing with as many similar cars as I can at the "Auto show in Motion" that GM is doing in a few weeks here in Cleveland.
The ride quality is really not bad at all.
I still squat slightly on acceleration and dip slightly on deceleration, but these movements are clearly better-controlled than with the stock suspension.
I'll be comparing with as many similar cars as I can at the "Auto show in Motion" that GM is doing in a few weeks here in Cleveland.
Neuronbob, your comments are music to my ears, especially the "better controlled than stock" comment. Of all my concerns, the soft shocks were my biggest.
I also plan to keep my stock 17's (prefer them to the 18's myself) and will likely go with Falkens also. I am considering the ST-115's (?) rather than the all seasons and thinking about the 245 section width. Any thoughts?
Lakeman
PS Please report in on the GM autoshowinmotion and how you "A-Spec" TL compares.
#53
Thanks neuronbob, very good review for A-Spec suspensions. I will likely get the A-Speck suspensions as soon as I have a bit more money to spend on the car. I was also thinking about asking a dealer to install 6MT Stabilizer Bar on my 5AT to further improve the corner handling. Any thoughts?
Here are the specifications for both stabilizer bars:
Automatic
Front: 1.0 in. diameter (25.4 mm) x (4.5 mm)
0.18 in. wall thickness
Rear 0.67 in. diameter, solid (17.0 mm)
Manual
Front: 1.07 in. diameter (27.2 mm) x (5.0 mm)
0.20 in. wall thickness
Rear: 0.79 in. diameter, solid (20 mm)
Here are the specifications for both stabilizer bars:
Automatic
Front: 1.0 in. diameter (25.4 mm) x (4.5 mm)
0.18 in. wall thickness
Rear 0.67 in. diameter, solid (17.0 mm)
Manual
Front: 1.07 in. diameter (27.2 mm) x (5.0 mm)
0.20 in. wall thickness
Rear: 0.79 in. diameter, solid (20 mm)
#54
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I have seen only one other person talk about switching out the sway bars. The main effect would presumably be to minimize the already minimal body roll in turns, so it might not add much to the ride.
Has anyone made the change?
Has anyone made the change?
#57
Originally Posted by T-Mobile
Did I read this correctly, you put the A-Spec suspension on with the stock 17"s? Is this true? If so, I am on it. The car handles like a Oldsmobile now, I want A-Spec suspension!
Yes I did. New/better tires would help but the improvement was still very noticeable.
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Originally Posted by T-Mobile
Did I read this correctly, you put the A-Spec suspension on with the stock 17"s? Is this true? If so, I am on it. The car handles like a Oldsmobile now, I want A-Spec suspension!
a) didn't want to spend the money right now
b) didn't want to diminish ride quality too much
and I must say I succeeded. All I need now is the Comptech rear sway bar and I will be done with suspension mods for the car. Well, maybe I'll do better brake pads, but that's really it. (No engine mods for me, 270 hp to the front wheels is quite enough, thank you!)
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