Trying to decide on which camber kit to get. I know the ingalls give toe/camber adjustment. I was just wondering about whether there is a quality difference between the two. Is it really necessary to have the extra toe adjustment of the ingalls ?
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Eibach kit. I had the ingalls. The bushing donut over time. not sure about SPC it looks like the Eibach one also. I accidentlt bought 2.. not realizing that one box was enough. So don't trust the generic pictures.




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Hey so you like the Eibach kit? I may get it cause I'm -4 in camber in the back with a only 1.75" drop. Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
Eibach kit. I had the ingalls. The bushing donut over time. not sure about SPC it looks like the Eibach one also. I accidentlt bought 2.. not realizing that one box was enough. So don't trust the generic pictures. 
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Yeah my alignment was way out of spec-- toe was like at 2. So they the alignment shop told me to fix the Toe they will have to make the camber worse. It really killed my tires in the rear. 20k miles and the wires are coming out of 1 of my tires. Originally Posted by Italiano
Damn Champ....^^^^I'm runnin 2.5 degrees with a 2.5inch drop

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i have both, ignalls and spc in the rear. Lots of adjustment. i guess either way you go, you cant go wrong or if undecided, get both like i did
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Find another shop..never heard u have to make your camber worse...especially that much camber to get the toe right....if u align it every 6k miles or so to keep toe in check u should get more miles out of it...Originally Posted by TheChamp531
Yeah my alignment was way out of spec-- toe was like at 2. So they the alignment shop told me to fix the Toe they will have to make the camber worse. It really killed my tires in the rear. 20k miles and the wires are coming out of 1 of my tires.
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SPC = same company as Eibach or knock off of Eibach? damn they are 150 also.. Screw that I am glad I got the Eibach. If Eibach can make springs and swap bar I am sure they know how to make camber kit also.
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Stock you have toe adjustment , with the SPC type your adding camber adjustment on the top.Originally Posted by lowgrowl
Trying to decide on which camber kit to get. I know the ingalls give toe/camber adjustment. I was just wondering about whether there is a quality difference between the two. Is it really necessary to have the extra toe adjustment of the ingalls ?
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The INGALLS rear kit is a better kit; it gives you toe and camber adjustment for the same price as the Eibach/SPC. By the way, Eibach is just SPC re-branded. We have never had any quality issues on the INGALLS kits and we sell and install a lot of them.
Here is a link to them (you need a qty of 2 if ordering):
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Here is a link to them (you need a qty of 2 if ordering):
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Here are pix from my friends car. He doesn't track and only has tien s techs


Mine were way worst... So OEM arm and eibach ftw in my case


Mine were way worst... So OEM arm and eibach ftw in my case
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If you do your own alignments, SPC doesn't affect toe when you adjust your camber. And most cars depending on arm placement, camber adjustment affects toe. Just an FYI. Had my SPC camber kit for about 6 months and no issues so far.
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What did you end up buying? I'm currently shopping for a rear camber kit myself.Originally Posted by lowgrowl
Trying to decide on which camber kit to get. I know the ingalls give toe/camber adjustment. I was just wondering about whether there is a quality difference between the two. Is it really necessary to have the extra toe adjustment of the ingalls ?
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^ +1 i think the guy that you bought your wheels from has spc and ingalls. I'm thinking of just getting both of them. more is better right
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Yes he had Ingalls rear lower control arms and SPC/Eibach rear upper control arms.Originally Posted by Kix`n`TL
^ +1 i think the guy that you bought your wheels from has spc and ingalls. I'm thinking of just getting both of them. more is better right
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jebus, thats some crap. how long have those kits been installed? are those bushings really soft rubber or something? maybe I dont want the ingalls kits after all.Originally Posted by thisaznboi88
Here are pix from my friends car. He doesn't track and only has tien s techs...Mine were way worst... So OEM arm and eibach ftw in my case
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25k. I end up buying the eibach one from the TL and then it didn't fit... So I picked up the ebay jpower one which are the ingall knock off. If they donut again its only 75 bucks instead of 120 for each side from ingalls. Really disappointed but shit happens. Life goes on
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why not have bushings made for ingalls stuff? or see if you can find es bushings that will work in the ends. what did you do with ingalls arms??
im having some bushings made for an old ingalls anchor bolt camber kit for up front. still waiting on quote for final price, but Im hoping its not to much.
im having some bushings made for an old ingalls anchor bolt camber kit for up front. still waiting on quote for final price, but Im hoping its not to much.
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I ended up buying the SPC Rear Control Arm Camber Kit last night. Thinking I may buy the Ingalls rear lower control arms also. Gotta love danscreations fitment. He obviously knows what he's doing.Originally Posted by Kix`n`TL
^ +1 i think the guy that you bought your wheels from has spc and ingalls. I'm thinking of just getting both of them. more is better right

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I will be selling my ingalls setup soon. Hit me up. I bought the SPC to run more camberrrrrr.Originally Posted by Anakalia
I ended up buying the SPC Rear Control Arm Camber Kit last night. Thinking I may buy the Ingalls rear lower control arms also. Gotta love danscreations fitment. He obviously knows what he's doing.
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PM'd youOriginally Posted by TLDude876
I will be selling my ingalls setup soon. Hit me up. I bought the SPC to run more camberrrrrr.
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^i told you! just do it right and put both upper and lower arms for more adjustments.
are u getting the skunk2 fronts? I'm doing this on my current set up but funds are kinda low right now. let me know how it goes man
are u getting the skunk2 fronts? I'm doing this on my current set up but funds are kinda low right now. let me know how it goes man
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are u getting the skunk2 fronts? I'm doing this on my current set up but funds are kinda low right now. let me know how it goes man
haha Yea after speaking with danscreations on the phone I gave in and bought the SPC rear upper control arms. And possibly want to buy TLDudes Ingalls rear lower control arms. I'm ordering the skunk2 fronts this week actually.. btw I'm a wo-man Originally Posted by Kix`n`TL
^i told you! just do it right and put both upper and lower arms for more adjustments.are u getting the skunk2 fronts? I'm doing this on my current set up but funds are kinda low right now. let me know how it goes man
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Anakalia, how much camber you looking to run up front?
I have the camber arms already and they allowed me just enough camber up front. Others have stated that they only got -1.5 camber from them.
I will post back when i get my alignment....I had the original settings at -.5 front camber and -1.5 rear. Just installed 19x9.5 +22 all around and adjusted my camber arms all the way in in the front. Like I said it was "enough" to work. Won't know actual #'s until my alignment though.
I have the camber arms already and they allowed me just enough camber up front. Others have stated that they only got -1.5 camber from them.
I will post back when i get my alignment....I had the original settings at -.5 front camber and -1.5 rear. Just installed 19x9.5 +22 all around and adjusted my camber arms all the way in in the front. Like I said it was "enough" to work. Won't know actual #'s until my alignment though.
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I have the camber arms already and they allowed me just enough camber up front. Others have stated that they only got -1.5 camber from them.
I will post back when i get my alignment....I had the original settings at -.5 front camber and -1.5 rear. Just installed 19x9.5 +22 all around and adjusted my camber arms all the way in in the front. Like I said it was "enough" to work. Won't know actual #'s until my alignment though.
I'm probably gonna shoot for -1.2 camber all around. Once I get everything I'll be doing my own alignment this time around. I'll keep y'all updated.Originally Posted by 05_NBP_TL
Anakalia, how much camber you looking to run up front?I have the camber arms already and they allowed me just enough camber up front. Others have stated that they only got -1.5 camber from them.
I will post back when i get my alignment....I had the original settings at -.5 front camber and -1.5 rear. Just installed 19x9.5 +22 all around and adjusted my camber arms all the way in in the front. Like I said it was "enough" to work. Won't know actual #'s until my alignment though.
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oh snapOriginally Posted by Anakalia
haha Yea after speaking with danscreations on the phone I gave in and bought the SPC rear upper control arms. And possibly want to buy TLDudes Ingalls rear lower control arms. I'm ordering the skunk2 fronts this week actually.. btw I'm a wo-man
sorry! yep let us know! did u get your skunk2s hellaflush? the modified ones? i think it allows you up to -3 camber..Intermediate
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Originally Posted by Anakalia
haha Yea after speaking with danscreations on the phone I gave in and bought the SPC rear upper control arms. And possibly want to buy TLDudes Ingalls rear lower control arms. I'm ordering the skunk2 fronts this week actually.. btw I'm a wo-man I just got the skunk 2 front camber kit, and they are very good. I got them from heeltoe $269, they are on sale go check them out!!!!

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Check out this informative article on Heeltoe's Tech Blog:Originally Posted by lowgrowl
Trying to decide on which camber kit to get. I know the ingalls give toe/camber adjustment. I was just wondering about whether there is a quality difference between the two. Is it really necessary to have the extra toe adjustment of the ingalls ?
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Some of you know from reading our posts and such over the years that we recommend the Ingalls brand of camber kits for the rear on a TSX/TL/CL/Accord. And this post is to tell you why.
Because the arms mentioned, in addition to those sold by Megan Racing and Eibach, all replace the upper arm in the rear to an adjustable part. The rear upper arm that these kits replace on these cars contains a ball-joint to attach it to the rear hub carrier.
The problem with replacing the stock arm with an aftermarket one is that the stock ball-joints have really high quality rubber on the boots, and are deigned to work within a specific range of motion. Because aftermarket ball-joint boots are of inferior material, and are subjected to altered range of motion (when installed on a lowered car), the boots tend to become brittle and they brake after a while.
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Originally Posted by mrheeltoe
I had a customer in today, 05 TSX with some Tein Basics set at a 13.5″ height all around (measured from center of center cap to fender lips). The camber in the rear was corrected with an SPC camber kit, also sold under the CT or Comptech name.Some of you know from reading our posts and such over the years that we recommend the Ingalls brand of camber kits for the rear on a TSX/TL/CL/Accord. And this post is to tell you why.
Because the arms mentioned, in addition to those sold by Megan Racing and Eibach, all replace the upper arm in the rear to an adjustable part. The rear upper arm that these kits replace on these cars contains a ball-joint to attach it to the rear hub carrier.
The problem with replacing the stock arm with an aftermarket one is that the stock ball-joints have really high quality rubber on the boots, and are deigned to work within a specific range of motion. Because aftermarket ball-joint boots are of inferior material, and are subjected to altered range of motion (when installed on a lowered car), the boots tend to become brittle and they brake after a while.
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yes one kit is for one side. and comes with two rods.. one for camber other for toe.. need to kits for the rear
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I will be keeping my suspension stock. Only adding rear camber kits because of eating tires on the inside. Has anyone experience noise with installing Ingalls rear camber/toe kits on stock suspensions?Originally Posted by rhafikjaan
yes one kit is for one side. and comes with two rods.. one for camber other for toe.. need to kits for the rear
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Don't waste your money on a camber kit if that is your problem. Most likely you have a bad alignment (toe is off) and/or your rear shocks are worn causing excess droop and cycling of the suspension (both of which affect toe).
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I wont doubt that, but minimal back seat riders. Nothing extra in trucks, maybe 5-10lbs totals except on vacations we took when the car was basically brand new. Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
Don't waste your money on a camber kit if that is your problem. Most likely you have a bad alignment (toe is off) and/or your rear shocks are worn causing excess droop and cycling of the suspension (both of which affect toe).
I feel pretty comfortable with the last person who done my alignment. The right rear set to 0 toe and camber was -1.8. The left rear is set 0 toe and camber was -1.6. The front was within honda spec. I will go back to dealer to get a copy of alignment spec. and post.
I'm just ready try something else after eating up every tire after oem tire on the inside rear mainly on the right. Did use my local honda dealer where an experience honda tech this trip. No apparent damage or excessive wear to other part of the suspension according to tech.
Still dont have any comments about whether there will any suspension noise because of camber kits installation....
Just want to start off in spec and go from there.
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I feel pretty comfortable with the last person who done my alignment. The right rear set to 0 toe and camber was -1.8. The left rear is set 0 toe and camber was -1.6. The front was within honda spec. I will go back to dealer to get a copy of alignment spec. and post.
I'm just ready try something else after eating up every tire after oem tire on the inside rear mainly on the right. Did use my local honda dealer where an experience honda tech this trip. No apparent damage or excessive wear to other part of the suspension according to tech.
Still dont have any comments about whether there will any suspension noise because of camber kits installation....
Just want to start off in spec and go from there.
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I wont doubt that, but minimal back seat riders. Nothing extra in trucks, maybe 5-10lbs totals except on vacations we took when the car was basically brand new. I feel pretty comfortable with the last person who done my alignment. The right rear set to 0 toe and camber was -1.8. The left rear is set 0 toe and camber was -1.6. The front was within honda spec. I will go back to dealer to get a copy of alignment spec. and post.
I'm just ready try something else after eating up every tire after oem tire on the inside rear mainly on the right. Did use my local honda dealer where an experience honda tech this trip. No apparent damage or excessive wear to other part of the suspension according to tech.
Still dont have any comments about whether there will any suspension noise because of camber kits installation....
Just want to start off in spec and go from there.
Toe is supposed to be 2mm Toe IN according to FSM...
Your toe is off, which is causing excess tire wear, don't think that all tech's know what they are talking about...
Think you should read up some more before spending the loot on camber kits which won't really help your situation....
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/alignment-procedures-service-manual-574027/
Not trying to be an ass, but Marcus (Mrheeltoe) is sending you in the right direction, rather than taking your money and laughing...



