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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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handling problem

i have a 05 tl 6 speed, steering wheel feels light and loose, felt like it has no pressure holding on to the steering. when going over bumpy roads and grooves, it twitches pretty hard to the left and right, alot of feedback from the wheel to the steering, especially on uneven pavement, it just follows the road imperfection

is this a common problem?


here's some works i have done: suspensions, 6 front lower control arm bushings, 2 rear control arms, tires and rims, alignment, no improvement, if anyone here is having the same issue or might know the solution to this, please help~
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Its funny your in NYC too, but i am having the same problem. i did 3 alignments, changed my driver side suspension components. I did rotors and brakes. The handling improved some what. Ever since my car was hit on the driver side it never handled the same. I am thinking bent frame maybe. I took it to the dealer who found no problem.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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Its funny your in NYC too, but i am having the same problem. i did 3 alignments, changed my driver side suspension components. I did rotors and brakes. The handling improved some what. Ever since my car was hit on the driver side it never handled the same. I am thinking bent frame maybe. I took it to the dealer who found no problem.
thanks for the reply, i checked the frame many times also, no damages or bent, car runs fine when the road condition is good, but you know how it is in nyc....i had many mechanics checked on it, they were saying it might be the rackandpinion, but i kinda doubt it.....please let me know if theres any updates
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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check the toe settings
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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check the toe settings
i did, alignment result came out fine, just the rear right side camber is a lil off, im on a-spec suspension not sure if thats normal but i dont think it affects the handling much, thanks for the help!

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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anyone?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 12:38 PM
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i did, alignment result came out fine, just the rear right side camber is a lil off...
Tell us about your tires-- size, type, age, mileage, cold tire pressure front and rear. Check for bulging in the tire sidewalls on the front and rear tires.

Also, when you say the "alignment result came out fine," what were the specs on the toe settings (i.e. OEM or some other standard)?

The likeliest scenarios for the symptoms you described are that the tires went bad or the alignment specs are off. FWIW, it seems like the members with lowered suspensions have had best results with the OEM/stock toe settings.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Will Y.
Tell us about your tires-- size, type, age, mileage, cold tire pressure front and rear. Check for bulging in the tire sidewalls on the front and rear tires.

Also, when you say the "alignment result came out fine," what were the specs on the toe settings (i.e. OEM or some other standard)?

The likeliest scenarios for the symptoms you described are that the tires went bad or the alignment specs are off. FWIW, it seems like the members with lowered suspensions have had best results with the OEM/stock toe settings.

thanks for the response will, im on yokohama avs es100 tires with aspec rims, tire size r 235/40z r18 95w, it has about 50% thread left, about 20k miles on them, all tires n rims were checked before i put on the car, no bulge dents or damages, using nitrogen air 35lbs front and 32lbs rear.

alignment setting for toes are .02 front and .07 rear which is within factory spec range, rear camber is -1.8 off by .03 (factory spec -1.5) which is the only thing "red" showing on the reciept

i was running on stock tires rims and suspension when i had this problem, i thought it was the rims and tires or suspension causing the bad handling so i went and changed them all, i even changed all front 6 bushings for the front lower control arms and 2 rear control arms, problem still exist.....

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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i really appreciate all the help here
here's the most current alignment result
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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am i the only one here having this kinda problem?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GGYY
am i the only one here having this kinda problem?
Pretty much.

1) Swap your front tires with the rear tires, adjust the pressures to 35F/32R and see if there is a difference in how the car feels. If the car feels much different, it's the tires.

2) If there isn't much difference in steering feel, check the suspension mounting points-- see https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/something-scary-happened-today-709114/

G/L!

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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 09:55 PM
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Deff not the only one....on f'd up roads, my car can not go in a straight line. Its 99% perfect on even surfaced roads, it won't even nudge....but once I get into those grooves on a beat up road, the car has a mind of its own. Then again, I am dropped pretty low and have larger/wider wheels. Its not so bad with the stock wheels...still there though..
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Will Y.
Pretty much.

1) Swap your front tires with the rear tires, adjust the pressures to 35F/32R and see if there is a difference in how the car feels. If the car feels much different, it's the tires.

2) If there isn't much difference in steering feel, check the suspension mounting points-- see https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=709114

G/L!

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thank you so much will, exact same issue that other member stated in that thread, i had a huge sub in the truck, that was the only modification i've ever done to this car, now im having the same problem with my rear right camber, i changed the whole rear control arms but was too lazy to change all the bolts and nuts, didnt think those would be the problems, i'll check everything again tomorrow and i'll post the result

thanks alot
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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Deff not the only one....on f'd up roads, my car can not go in a straight line. Its 99% perfect on even surfaced roads, it won't even nudge....but once I get into those grooves on a beat up road, the car has a mind of its own. Then again, I am dropped pretty low and have larger/wider wheels. Its not so bad with the stock wheels...still there though..

i totally feel u, how was ur alignment result? did you have any kinda camber kits installed?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:30 PM
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Allignment is fine, no camber kit.
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Allignment is fine, no camber kit.
subs in the trunk? have u check your rear right camber nuts and bolts? did alignment result came out red for rear right camber and unadjustable like mine?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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by the way, im running on a-spec rims n yokohama avs tires with a-spec suspension, which is made by acura, so i dont think it would mess up my rear right camber spec...so something wrong or its normal?
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 06:11 AM
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May not be the cause, but read the following:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=47
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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went and checked all the bolts and nuts, everything looked fine, rack and pinion maybe?
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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It wouldn't hurt to make them set the toe at 0.

Tires can do this.

Do you have an aftermarket RSB? It will make the steering feel lighter. It won't make it tramline.

Worn components which I think you're covered.

Rack and pinion is a possiblitiy but not likely.

Did it do this from the first time you ran these tires or did it happen over time? My car with the current tires is twitchy and it's getting worse as they wear. My new ones go on tomorrow so I'll know for sure if it's the tires or not.
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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It wouldn't hurt to make them set the toe at 0.

Tires can do this.

Do you have an aftermarket RSB? It will make the steering feel lighter. It won't make it tramline.

Worn components which I think you're covered.

Rack and pinion is a possiblitiy but not likely.

Did it do this from the first time you ran these tires or did it happen over time? My car with the current tires is twitchy and it's getting worse as they wear. My new ones go on tomorrow so I'll know for sure if it's the tires or not.
thanks for the responds, toes r 0.04 front and 0 rear which is almost and close to 0, i was running on stock tires and rims when i have this problem then i went and changed all my tires and rims, i dont think its the tires, i've recieved couple PM from members saying the handling problem is being noticed and its getting worse, please let me know if handling improves after u put ur new tires on.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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I had this issue on a 2002 Nissan Altima. All I did was tighten an adjusting bolt on the Rack and pinion unit. I also had excessive steering wheel movement at 65 mph. tightening the adjuster a little made all the difference.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Don't tighten it too much. The steering won't return to center after turning a corner
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MDXin
I had this issue on a 2002 Nissan Altima. All I did was tighten an adjusting bolt on the Rack and pinion unit. I also had excessive steering wheel movement at 65 mph. tightening the adjuster a little made all the difference.
thanks for the responds, do you know where is the rack and pinion adjusting bolt on this tl? i dont think it is adjustable at all, well....the handling got so much better the first week when i got the new tires on, but now the problem is coming back and its getting worse everyday...i really dont know what else to do with it
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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Not sure if the TL has the same adjuster. Maybe someone can come up with a schematic of the rack and pinion.
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