Guys - I just got my car lowered yesterday on Eibach Pro-kit springs. The rear is pretty low but the front is still uneven and higher and the rear (about 3 finger inch gap). I was told it could take a few days for it to settle due to the bushings and new springs settling.

Did anyone else notice this with springs or Eibach's specifically?

The ride quality is very good - still comfortable without being rough etc. I'm going to putting my Aspec wheels on by this weekend.

Thanks for the input.

 

yeah that was one of the issues with the eibachs...hopefully yours settles a bit more, but don't expect a miracle. what you see is what you get with springs.

pics?

 

Most springs tend to keep the front high.
I've found that H&R drops the front more than the rear.

 

As the others have said dont expect much change. People always say wait several days or even weeks for it to settle but thats really not true as far as I know. When you first put the car down it will sit high but as soon as the tires get some rotation the ride height is pretty much where its going to be for good. WHat your looking at right now is basically what your permanant ride height is. I have heard that the eibachs tend to sit rear low.

James

 

before purchasing the springs i did research and viewed pics of TLs with eibach prokits and their cars seemed to be even...

 

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i had eibachs on my OEM shocks for a short period of time. altho i also have a A/T so the front is a bit heavier than you 6MT folks...that probably helped level things out. i noticed that my front was slightly higher than the rear...but nothing too noticeable. didn't bother me much.

 

i'll see how it settles by the end of the week.. maybe i can add some weight in the front to help force it to settle.. haha

 

errrrr......its not gonna settle.

what was the advertised drop?
did they have two versions; one for MT and AT?
do you know the spring rate?

THese aftermarket companies dont usually tell you these important pieces of information. Leaving the customer guessing, then when installed its not up to expectations.

 

It will probably settle a little...but then, so will the back! I would recommend getting coilovers (duh...) or check and see if you have any dead coils on the fronts that you can potentially cut off without affecting the spring rebound rate.

 

the advertised drop is 1.0 front and rear. i dont know the spring rate - ill see if its online. the actual product i purchased was Eibach pro-kit 4044.140. Doesn't seem like there was a different part number for manual or auto. i specified i had a manual at the time of purchase.

 

i dont want to waste money on coilovers - i dont track the car and im not gonna keep adjusting the height etc.. TL is heavy and a family sedan..

 

After doing some research. Eibach makes the same kit for AT and 6MT - only thing is excluded is the Type S.

The spring rate is 372lbs/in in front, rears progressive. start at 131 max 217. (very similar to stock)

Spring rate is the rebound for the spring - its the amount of weight needed to compress a spring a certain amount.

Springs that have low spring rate are soft while springs that have a high spring rate are stiffer.

372 is pretty close to stock and I believe Eibachs are mostly conservative.

Pro-kits offer 1inch drop all around and spring rate has nothing to do with ride height.

Also, from doing some reading - springs do settle all around. It may take 1 - 2 weeks and its recommended to get an alignment after that period.

 

So wait it out and see if you're happy about it. i don't track my car either...i decided long ago that the ride height being perfect was important enough to me to need to have adjustability. a set of basics or some other brands will run you about the same as a set of shocks and quality springs.

 

Can someone that has a TL with Eibach Pro-kits please post on here.. in particular one that has a 6MT TL..

I'm curious to know of how the drop is on other 6MT TLs.

The install has been done properly with the proper springs in the front and rear. Eibach told me that I can try going up driveways or on speed bumps to help the bushings settle.

 

^^^you should REALLY not have to do that to get it to settle...why not post a pic of your car how it sits and we can see if something looks out of whack.


Found one thread on here with prokits...
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/koni-neuspeed-sp3-eibach-prokit-springs-%24400-752053/
First picture looks pretty high up.
I'm telling you...on my 97 accord...I bought springs and MAN...the front had so much more gap (it's really an optical illusion because if you look at the bottom of the car in relation to the ground it's probably still flat or the front a little lower, but the wheel gap makes it look like a space ship)...then my next car I did H&R springs and when i bought new tires they rubbed...I vowed from then on...it was full coilovers or leave it stock height. The perfect stance/drop is really crucial to a car looking sectsy.

 

i have the same problem with my H&R spring.
it because the 6mt is lighter.
my front has 2 - 3 fingers and the rear is tucked a little.
it never settled lower!
then i took out the spare tire and some other weight reductions from the TL diet and the rear came up a little.
now the car sits a little more even.

 

Are you still using the stock shocks?

 

thanks for the feedback. ill see if i can post some pictures by this weekend.

im currently working with eibach support/management. they stated that the eibach pro-kits were test fitted on both the auto and 6mt and the weight added on the auto was negligible and didnt make a difference.

any one else that has eibach pro-kits reply here for your feedback?

thanks!

btw.. i have stock shocks.

 

i have another thread going but i wanted to get specific information regarding the issues im seeing and this is time senstive.

overview:
installed eibach pro-kits by intaller on 7/19 and noticed the front was substantially higher then rear. my tl is 6mt and i contacted eibach about this issue - they stated my springs could be defective which is rare. they are going to address some questions from the installer but im confident the install was done correctly. they are offering 2 replacement front springs but before i go this route i wanted to make sure that this isnt normal behavior before i have to spend money again on labor to get the springs uninstalled etc.

can owners of eibach prokits with 3g TLs and 6mt 3g TLs please reply as it would be great to get your feedback on your ride height etc.

my ride height looked simialar to the stock height of auto and 6mt tls in my work parking garage..

thanks in adavnce

 

my buddy has those springs on his 6mt and it looks fine. In fact, you can hardly tell that the car is lowered. The eibach pro kit doesn't really give a big difference of a drop, but it does give you a bit of a stiffer spring. This can eliminate body roll and give a more responsive feeling with steering. If you're looking to give a really big drop to the car, you probably bought the wrong thing. Also, the rear will naturally look lower since the wheel well arch is smaller. Post pics of the car!

 

I think a car looks weird if not level or higher in the front. Maybe get some aftermarket shocks? I find that my Neuspeed springs and koni shocks goes perfectly well together

 

You still don't need to make two threads.

And it's not time sensitive.

Back is lower than your front. Always will be with Eibach springs. They're not made even all-around.

 

They are marketed as an equal 1" drop all around.

Way back in the early days of the 3G TL, Comptech had issues with springs they sold - the rear would sag. I've read that Eibach made those spings for Comptech.

However, I've don't recall ever reading a post that Eibach Pro-Kit springs had the front sit unusually high compared to the rear.

Part of what you are seeing might settle out in a week or two.

 

I agree. But I left a re-direct for a few days so other members can see this thread title.


And POST PICS!! Let's see how bad it is.

Also a search in the photo gallery and this sub-forum should turn up quite a few users with Eibach kits.

 

sorry about the 2 threads and thanks for merging and leaving the redirect. i wanted to get this resolved soon as im working with eibach support/management and they are offering a pair of front springs to swap mine out with... i wanted to confirm if indeed the front sitting higher on 6MT TLs is expected behavior before i went this route and spent money on the swap for labor and invested time..

im still seeing conflicted replies about people either having a leveled drop or having it sit higher in the front. eibach is basically saying the drop should be even and it was test fitted on both manual and auto.

ill take some pics this weekend when i get my aspec wheels put on.. maybe by then they will settle a bit more.

thanks

 

honestly, if you really look at a stock TL, the front generally DOES have more wheel gap than the rear...SOOO, if they are telling you it gives you an even drop all the way around, it will leave you with a more obvious gap difference since the back will look almost perfect etc.

I don't wanna be a jerk here but I don't think there is anything wrong with your springs. It's just that now that you actually dropped it and paid the money on the parts and labor, your expectation out of of "mild drop" does not match the reality of a mild drop.

In my opinion, either sell them and get a more aggressive brand of drop...like Tein S techs, or H&R Sports, or Neuspace Race (perfect IMO).

Once you start lowering, it's addictive and it's never enough until you have no gap.

With that 97 accord I mentioned, I took those springs off and with a dremel, cut off coil after coil looking for the perfect drop. Ended up with a bouncy ride and ALWAYS had to park the front rims at an angle to lessen the look of the gap or I'd drive myself crazy.

 

^agreed.
thats why a lot of ppl just go the coil route.

 

I put the eibachs in a month or so ago. Its an auto.

 

That doesn't look too bad and looks pretty even. Maybe they will settle a little...also helps that you're running 20's (presumably)

In the past, I've found that since the front is such a tight spring with so many coils...it doesn't settle half as much as the back.

 

I installed HR sports with stock struts and the front is just a tad more gap then back. Back is about 1 finger and front is a virgin 2 finger.

I can deal with it, but I will be looking into ht specs down the road when these get boring.

 

No doubt...ironically, my fiance's 08 accord...I lowered it with H&R sports...and the REAR didn't seem to lower much. That's why I made the suggestion to check and see IF you have any "dead" coils because a dead coil has nothing to do with the rebound of the spring since it's resting against another coil entirely. Jack your car up a little...and take a look...if at the top you have a few coils that are completely touching each other, you can safely cut a few off to get the desired wheel gap etc.

That's my suggestion after many years of doing things, the wrong way...the fast way...and eventually, the RIGHT way.

 

Mine are the same. That with the Konis makes the best drop for 19's.

 

Koni's have different perches, no? In which case you can accomodate and adjust a little bit!?

 

Yeah. it's dropped on the lowest. So I am at 1.8" all around.

 

maybe OP should do the same?!

 

This is why I did not choose the Eibachs. The Tein H-Techs are the perfect alternative to the Eibachs. The rear fender gap is about 1/4" more than the front so it looks perfectly even or slightly raked depending on the ground slope.

 

I went with eibachs because I didn't want too aggressive of a drop since I wanted to be on stock shocks. Also this is my daily driver and we have all four seasons in my area including snow. I was able to purchase my springs brand new for a great deal too - 140.

Eibach stated the 3G TL stock height has the front sitting higher from the factory, is this correct? I didn't take any baseline measurements preinstall. Also from talking to their support they never tried these springs on a 6MT - only autos. But they did say in their opinion the difference is negligible in weight and shouldn't make a difference.

Btw I got my aspec wheels on and it does look good the rear is still lower though..

 

have any pictures?

 

if you read above, that's exactly what I told you.
the front has more gap than the back...so if you got an even drop all around, you made the front gap more obvious now.