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Old 06-28-2010 | 11:30 AM
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Unhappy On vacation in SC and need some help..

Hey all well I'm from Columbia Missouri and I took a trip with the lady to Savannah, and now we're in Myrtle Beach SC. My 05 TL is making a horrible squeaking sound of metal on metal from what I believe to be the driver side front wheel.
Now it is usually intermittent; however, I was thinking it might be a worn pad rubbing the rotor, but the pads look like they have decent life along with th rotors, and before the trip I had an alignment, rotation, and balance, and the brakes were checked and I was told everything was good (keep in mind I bought this certified about 6k miles ago prior to the trip).
Now when driving sometimes it's rather loud when braking and can also be loud when not braking and just driving normally -- as the tire spins more the sound becomes constant, as the tire spins slower, you can hear the metal on metal shriek intermittently.
What concerns me is I was leaving a gas station and I gave it a little gas (seafoamed and fresh oil before trip with consistent DRW resets so she's peppy!) and when the car took off, the left wheel 'stuck' and the car pulled from the right to the left lane. Now I'm not sure if I had some spin and the vsa got crazy on me, but I think it was a little 'dramatic' though considering i wasn't going to fast and it happened instantly.
Afterwards I did a brake check at about 35 mph and everything was fine, and worked exactly how it should. All pads still intact and such, now I have blown out pads in my 03 cobra that is heavily built, but everything from the outside looks good.

My question is it as simple as a brake - pad issue, or something like a cv axle?another question would be where should I take it? As I said I have the certified acura 100k warranty which I doubt covers brakes but I think would a cv.

Any help would be awesome. I'm here in Myrtle Beach until the 2nd of July.

Thanks,

Jake F.
Old 06-28-2010 | 12:18 PM
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to the acura dealer for you--if everything ckd out before the trip there is no reason for brakles to suddenly fail

the wheel lock up may be from a bad wheel speed sensor--how were you driving that it happened?? full throttle wheels turned full. and in the water.. coming out of the gas station??
thats what it would take to really hurt most parts

or you can have a bent shield behind the brakes occured during inspection..

Without my stethascope I cant say for sure, so please get to acura-thats why you pay for cpo complete protection overall~
brake noises are nothing to ignore
Old 06-28-2010 | 12:19 PM
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have you removed the wheel and looked?
Old 06-28-2010 | 12:59 PM
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There is a large Honda dealership on the route 17 bypass just above the overpass at 501 (it's on the right heading South not far below Broadway at the Beach). You could stop in there I bet. You should have this looked at.
Old 06-29-2010 | 11:21 AM
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Hey all, I called Acura in Wilmington and after explaining the issues and such, the service manager didn't think it was too much to worry about.
I also have isolated the sound to the rear driver side wheel. I haven't been able to take the wheel off, however I did try to bend the shield back away from the rotor slightly, which didn't work.
Still think I should stop at Honda in Myrtle beach or get it home?

Thanks,
Jake.
Old 06-29-2010 | 11:46 AM
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I wouldn't drive it like that. It could be a dragging e-brake (broken return spring) or a bad caliper not releasing. You could wind up with a fire on your hands. I would have it looked at, especially since your certified.
Old 06-29-2010 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blkonblk05TL
Hey all, I called Acura in Wilmington and after explaining the issues and such, the service manager didn't think it was too much to worry about.
I also have isolated the sound to the rear driver side wheel. I haven't been able to take the wheel off, however I did try to bend the shield back away from the rotor slightly, which didn't work.
Still think I should stop at Honda in Myrtle beach or get it home?

Thanks,
Jake.
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Old 06-29-2010 | 07:52 PM
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man i almost want to make a new thread about what i've figured out about this issue and my ordeal with acura.
seriously peoples, read this and let me know what you think, i'm honestly at a loss for what to do..

so i decided i would take my car to midas to get their 25 dollar brake inspection since the honda dealer here was going to charge any where from 55 to 95 dollars.
after receiving the inspection, and this is taken directly from the customer sheet i received -- from the measurements they took: apparently my driver side rear brake is squeaking because it has no material left -- it is a constant annoyance to signal it's passed time to be replaced.

now folks please bear in mind i bought this car in the beginning of febuary 2010, and since then have put on less than 7000 miles. so the front brakes are like new, and were probably replaced at some point before i purchased it and it was certified at superior acura in kansas. now the measurements for the rear brakes are in:

left rear inside pad: 0.012
left rear outside pad: 0.070
right rear inside pad: 0.021
right rear outside pad: 0.064
and midas recommends that rear pads are changed at the lowest pad measurement of 0.30

moving from pads to tires, my riken (chinese cheapos) tires are cracking on the outside of the tire and still have over a year left of life according to the manufacturer's recommendations as listed by the serial number of the tire.
so under the professional opinion of the midas shop manager he agreed with me that under the stringent certification specifications of acura there is no way that i could have worn my tires or rear brakes (brakes more importantly for sake of my argument) so low in the 7000 miles and/ or about 5 months i've owned this car, never have driven it hard or taken it on a trip longer than 125 miles!

so i decided to take this up with corporate acura and gave them a call -- be that in mind i had taken this car on delivery and the alignment was off, interior lights weren't working, and both side view mirrors have the scorch marks on the glass, as well as the motors struggle to move them up and down. i fought with the dealer and then corporate acura to no avail, and ended up just paying 50 bucks for an alignment because the dealership being a 5 hour round trip from me wouldn't give me a guarantee that they would cover an alignment and such even if i made the trip on my time and money!

so that being said i decided to call corporate acura, because i don't want to deal with superior acura, and i feel as though i was sold a car that was passed through the acura certification process as cheaply as possible. corporate acura told me that the dealer has to replace parts such as brakes and tires to certify the vehicle if those parts have less than 50% life left, above that margin, it is up to their discretion.

so am i to believe that i some how wore down my rear pads to such low levels in less than 7000 miles, when upon performing the certification process of my vehicle my pads had at least 50% rear pad life left? i just CANNOT believe this to be true. and this is the argument that i made to acura, that i don't feel comfortable taking my car back to the originating dealer because i think they skimped the certification process to sell a certified car and keep their costs as low as possible.
i paid a premium for this certified car as peace of mind. it's honestly just been a pain in the ***.
corporate acura won't do anything. won't stand by this product.
now i'm aware of the argument they gave me: your warranty doesn't cover brakes, tires, wearble items, bla, bla, blaa.. i get that, but i don't get that they don't seem to care that i may have been screwed by licensed acura dealer. i don't like the fact that my car isn't necessarily safe to drive with the brakes and tires which most likely have been rotting/ cracking since they certified it or at least had it in their possession. acura corporate also told me they don't accept information from non acura dealers, fine. so i offered to take it to an acura dealer and pay for the inspection, and asked if that dealer felt my assumptions/ allegations of superior acura's crap, knock-off certification process were true that corporate acura would foot the bill. they won't, it's not our policy -- i was told.
i was basically told to pay for it or take it to the originating dealer, and corporate acura would pull the certification spec sheets and determine if there really was an issue.
now i'm to believe that superior acura would pass a car that shouldn't be certified and put on the certification sheets that certain parts are out of spec? this i cannot believe, i do believe however that if they did fudge stuff to certify this car as cheap as possible they would falsify that information on the sheets, therefore being useless to my argument.

so i don't know what to do at this point.
i do know that i have a 1200 mile trip back home on the first.
i don't know if i should consult an attorney and talk to superior acura.
should i just call superior acura?

please people chime in and let me know what you think.
right now (and again) i feel screwed by corporate acura and superior acura.

i'm completely at a loss right now.

okay, going to the pool/ hot tub to relax. i'll be back in a bit to see if any one has chimed in on this.

thanks in advance,

jake.
Old 06-29-2010 | 09:07 PM
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Well, service limit for rear pads is 0.06. Both of your inner pads are out of limits. Not sure where Midas is getting the 0.3 from.

Not sure why the uneven (and excessive wear). It very well could be that both of your rear calipers are faulty and sticking, not fully releasing the pads. What did Midas say about the uneven wear?

For reference, I have 95,000 miles on my 04TL and there is still plenty of material left on my rear pads...

If your calipers have gone bad, they and the pads may have been fine when they did the certification. Or the pads may have been fine, but the calipers were already bad, but the inspection honestly didn't discover that.

On the otherhand, if your calipers are fine, I don't see how you could have worn off that much pad in the short time you've owned the car and the relatively low total mileage on the car. The uneven wear would concern me and make me suspect you MIGHT have a caliper problem, but I'm not an expert on brakes.

I would call Superior's service manager and lay it all out to him without making accusations and see what he offers. He may agree to let the local Acura dealer do an inspection and then see what happens.

I think you're in a tough position. You probably would be OK to drive home (assuming mostly highway miles) on those pads if your calipers are not bad (just my opinion though).

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Old 06-29-2010 | 09:12 PM
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I would have called Superior first, as the brakes were to be at least 50% and the tires are to be the OE size, speed rating, load rating and at least 5/32", no uneven tread wear but no sidewall cracking. Probably W rated tires and a higher load range, but the cracking is the clincher. See what they have to say, they may suprise you although I dounbt that, and if is becomes a contest throw some $25 pads on there just to get the car home. Don't worry about the grooved rotor as the pads will just wear to the contour of the rotor.
Old 06-29-2010 | 09:57 PM
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thanks for the help guys. like i told corporate acura, i'm not trying to point fingers, i just find it hard to believe that these issues weren't prevalent before i purchased the car if the dealership knew about it or not. my contention was that i don't feel it to be fair that i should pay for a new set of tires and brake pads..

i'll call superior tomorrow and let you know what's going on.

if anyone else has any information that might fix this issue with dealing with corp. acura or anything else, please chime in.

thanks again,
jake.
Old 06-30-2010 | 04:01 PM
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Sorry to hear about your issues, especially while out of town. I avoided Superior for just this reason. I was checking out an '05 on their lot that was supposed to be CPO with a clean car fax. The front bumper was absolutely perfect with no chips which means it had been replaced and re-sprayed. The rear bumper was loose and sticking out on the driver's side. The tires were some el'cheapo brand and two of them had bubbles in the side wall. Just could not justify their additional costs for a CPO by the looks of the cars on their lot.

I ended up going to Jay Wolfe and have never looked back. The tires were brand new Bridgestones and all brake pads had been replaced. There were minor scratches in the bumpers that they touched up before I picked the car up. Their service has been outstanding for the past two years with my car. Free oil changes along with free lunch and car wash.

As for what to do now? I would take it to a Honda dealer to have the rear brakes done before the long drive home. Have them document what they see and what they have to work on. Then when you get back home head to the dealership and have a nice chat with the service manager.
Old 06-30-2010 | 05:02 PM
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I live near Wilmington and I am taking my tsx for an oil change at stevenson Acura in Wilmington. They are ok but I prefer going to the dealer in Pa. I go to Myrtle beach often. I was there on Monday. Ate at Fuddruckers.
Old 08-02-2010 | 07:51 PM
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well i have needed to put a close to this thread. i called the service manager at superior, and he was very nice and urged me to come in. i was apprehensive but i figured what the hell, my car had just got hail damage, and i doubt things could get any worse.

well everything was taken care of, honestly the tires are fine, i've had two acura dealers tell me that, in my opinion they're fine, but if i could get another set of tires, i'll try it!

so i got new rear pads in and out, rotors resurfaced, they replaced all the bulbs that were out on my car, and gave me a free professional $150 detail.
i even got a 2010 mdx loaner (loved it).
i can't say i'd buy another car from them, but i'd let them service my car any day, especially after the good treatment and the quality of the service department in general. i got a good price on my TL, actually a great price, that's what kept me away from mungenast and jay wolfe, but as they say you pay for what you get. at least i got all the stuff that it should of had fixed for a trip to kc, ks. the girl and i got to eat at the plaza and all was good.
Old 08-02-2010 | 08:03 PM
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Glad you got it fixed. And I had to say on the Terminator, one of my favorite cars.
Old 08-03-2010 | 04:46 PM
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Glad you got it fixed. And I had to say on the Terminator, one of my favorite cars.
thanks, i loved that car. my fav car of all the ones i've owned.
with about $3000 into various bolt ons, rear end love, fuel, tune, and bigs for the rear it'll s**t and get.
i tracked it (no clocks unfortunately) but beat a 10.9 civic by about three cars -- i'm sure he wasn't running a high ten that run, but still impressive for a 2.76 upper, tune, exhaust, and bigs!

once i get done with this degree (and might wait after my masters) i'm going to buy another. i'm either going a fatty hellion twin or BIG kb or whipple.

oh and i should say i've always loved the '87 gnx's, one of the most awesome cars ever. a big body, two door, turbo'ed 6er, although all a and g body turbos are awesome too when you think about it

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