TL-S Brakes "creaking"
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IS or G35? Mmmm Almost.
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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Infiniti G35 Sport:
Lexus IS350
Infiniti G35 Sport:
Lexus IS350
Lexus IS350 60 – 0 = 126 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Infiniti G35 Sport 80 – 0 = 219 ft (best in class)
Lexus IS350 80 – 0 = 208 ft (barely average)
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...car_dp.pdf.pdf
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Nissan Sentra? :what: :pofl:
Nissan Sentra?
Wrong Market Segment & Wrong Performance Segment.
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 60 – 0 = 134 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 80 – 0 = 246 ft
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).
134 FEET and 246 FEET!! Holy Crap. Do you realize how pathetically fucking bad that is?
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
http://www.nissanusa.com/se-r/specifications.html
The $23,000 Nissan Sentra SE-R has bigger brakes (12.6" F/11.5" R) than an Acura TL-S!
And the Sentra is a whopping SIX HUNDRED POUNDS lighter!
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The $23,000 Nissan Sentra SE-R has bigger brakes (12.6" F/11.5" R) than an Acura TL-S!
And the Sentra is a whopping SIX HUNDRED POUNDS lighter!
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Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 60 – 0 = 134 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 80 – 0 = 246 ft
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).
134 FEET and 246 FEET!! Holy Crap. Do you realize how pathetically fucking bad that is?
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Sti Not Bad; WRX 4Dr Not So Much.
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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WRX Subaru Sti
Brakes
Brembo® performance brake system. 4-wheel disc, ventilated front and rear. 4-piston front and dual-piston rear calipers. 4-channel, 4-sensor Super Sport ABS with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) Front: 12.7 in./Rear: 12.3 in.
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WRX Subaru Sti
Brakes
Brembo® performance brake system. 4-wheel disc, ventilated front and rear. 4-piston front and dual-piston rear calipers. 4-channel, 4-sensor Super Sport ABS with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) Front: 12.7 in./Rear: 12.3 in.
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Subaru WRX Sti 60 – 0 = 116 ft
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft. (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Similar Straight Line and Slalom Performance:
Subaru Impreza WRX 60 – 0 = 124 ft.
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Subaru Impreza WRX 80 – 0 = 227 ft
Acura TL-S 80 – 0 = 214 ft (significantly better than average; top 25% in performance segment and top 1/3 in market segment).
Subaru Impreza WRX Swept Area per Ton = 256 sq. in.
Acura TL-S Swept Area per Ton = 273 sq. in.
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Altima? Almost as Bad as the Sentra.
(Still laughing at the Sentra )
Nissan Altima 3.5 SE (same brakes, ~240 pounds heavier, but still 400 pounds lighter than the TL-S) 60 – 0 = 134 ft.
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
http://www.nissanusa.com/altima/specifications.html
4 cylinder Altima - (Can be bought new for around $17,000 in this area after discounts)
4 cylinder Altima - (Can be bought new for around $17,000 in this area after discounts)
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft (that’s best in class, save one, for cars with similar straight line performance and similar market segment).
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VW Jetta GLi. NOT!!!
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...gli-page4.html
VW Jetta GLi (197 HP; 3,353 pounds)
BRAKES
Type: hydraulic with vacuum power assist, anti-lock control, and electronic panic assist
Front: 12.3 x 1.2-in vented disc
Rear: 11.0 x 0.5-in disc
VW Jetta GLi (197 HP; 3,353 pounds)
BRAKES
Type: hydraulic with vacuum power assist, anti-lock control, and electronic panic assist
Front: 12.3 x 1.2-in vented disc
Rear: 11.0 x 0.5-in disc
VW Jetta GLi 70 – 0 = 169 ft.
Acura 6MT 70 – 0 = 160 ft (and it weighs ~350 pounds more than the VW)
“…. Acura TLs equipped with the manual six-speed also get beautiful Brembo four-piston front-brake calipers, and these contributed to the shortest stopping distance of the pack—160 feet from 70 mph, with a firm pedal feel that garnered a second-highest rating on the chart. Still, one of the logbook entries accused the brakes of feeling weak during high-spirited driving. There's just no satisfying some of our editors.”
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...-acura-tl.html
(Coincidence? Or could it be? Our very own LE1 a C&D editor? )
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Outstanding Performance
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
....The only way a TL-S owner can "justify" the size of the rotors is by hiding behind brand loyalty. The rotors are CLEARLY under-sized, relative to the competition.
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60 – 0 Emergency Stopping is OUT-FUCKING-STANDING compared to a WIDE VARIETY of modern sports sedans, regardless of market segment.
Acura TL-S 60 – 0 = 117 ft
EXCEPT for the BMW 330i, that’s best out of 25 cars with similar straight line performance.
Make & Model…………………........ 60 - 0
BMW 330i………………………......... 116
Acura TL-S…………………......… 117
BMW 335i………………………......... 119
Infinity G35 Sport……………....…. 120
Volkswagon GTI………………....... 120
Mazda MazdaSpeed6………….... 121
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro…………..... 122
BMW 545i………………………......... 121
Mini Cooper S…………………........ 122
Volvo S80 V8 AWD……………...... 123
Lexus GS430………………….......… 126
BMW 325xi……………………........… 123
Subaru Impreza WRX………….... 124
Lexus IS250 AWD……………....… 125
Lexus IS350……………………........ 126
Acura RL…………………….........…… 126
Subaru Legacy 2.5GT spec.B… 126
Infinity G35x……………………........ 127
Toyota Camry SE V6…………...... 127
Lexus IS350……………………........ 128
Mercedes-Benz E350 Sport….. 129
Volvo S40 T5 AWD……………...... 130
Dodge Charger R/T……………..... 132
Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport….. 135
Lexus LS460……………………....... 143
But wait, that’s not all. Against the same group of cars, the TL is WELL INSIDE the top 1/3 in stopping distances from 80 – 0 and at 214 ft SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN AVERAGE.
Make & Model…........……………… 80 - 0
Mazda MazdaSpeed6………...... 207
Infinity G35 Sport……………....... 208
BMW 330i…………………….........… 209
BMW 335i…………………….........… 210
Volkswagon GTI…………......……. 210
Audi A4 2.0T Quattro…………..... 210
Acura TL-S…………...…........... 214
BMW 545i………………….........…… 214
Volvo S80 V8 AWD…………......… 216
Mini Cooper S…………………........ 217
Lexus GS430…………………......... 219
Lexus IS350…………………........… 219
Infinity G35x…………………........… 222
Lexus IS350………………........…… 222
Toyota Camry SE V6…………...... 223
BMW 325xi…………………….......... 224
Lexus IS250 AWD…………......…. 224
Acura RL………………………........... 224
Subaru Legacy 2.5GT spec.B... 225
Mercedes-Benz E350 Sport….. 226
Volvo S40 T5 AWD…………......… 226
Subaru Impreza WRX………...... 227
Dodge Charger R/T…………....... 240
Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport….. 241
Lexus LS460…………………...........251
I’ve read that some of these cars even have Bigger Rotors than the TL. :gasp:
Ahh, here it is:
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
The TL's rotors are SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the brakes used in ALL of its competitors, not to mention cars that are in a lower class (like the Maxima).
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Yet the TL-S stops better. How do you explain that?
You’re hostility toward the TL can only be explained by a lack of objectivity and personal honesty.
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Am I Going to Fast for You?
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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The TL-S should have rotors that are about the same size (again, based on rotor AREA) as the IS350, the BMW 5 series and the Infiniti G35. Those cars all weigh about the same as the TL-S and offer similar straight line performance.
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The TL-S should have rotors that are about the same size (again, based on rotor AREA) as the IS350, the BMW 5 series and the Infiniti G35. Those cars all weigh about the same as the TL-S and offer similar straight line performance.
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
....The only way a TL-S owner can "justify" the size of the rotors is by hiding behind brand loyalty. The rotors are CLEARLY under-sized, relative to the competition.
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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Take a look at the size of the rotors the TL-S's direct competitors are running. They are ALL significantly larger.
Take a look at the size of the rotors the TL-S's direct competitors are running. They are ALL significantly larger.
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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The TL-S's main competitors (IS350 and G35 sport) also have significantly larger rotors.
Summarily, your response is ridiculous.
The TL-S's main competitors (IS350 and G35 sport) also have significantly larger rotors.
Summarily, your response is ridiculous.
Summarily, your Big Rotor Theory seems flawed when using test data to look at Real World Emergency Stopping Distances.
You gettin’ the message yet?
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Show Real Results, Not Hyperbole, Specualtion and Opinion
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
.... Examine what happens at higher speeds (e.g. 0 - 120 MPH) and it's not even close. The same can be said for brakes.
Who says that? Where is the data?
And who drives that way? Maniacs and Nuisance Drivers, that’s who.
Excluding your fruitless pad break-in(s), how many times have you stopped from more than 80 to 0 repeatedly since you've owned your TL-S?
How many people do you know that have?
Of the ~80,000 TL/TL-S sold per year a very, very small number of those cars require the "performance" you desire so much, but will probably never use.
Even you admit that the brakes serve their intended purpose for the VAST MAJORITY of drivers.
Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
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The TL-S's brakes are "fine" for one or two quick stops from 85 MPH or below.
The TL-S's brakes are "fine" for one or two quick stops from 85 MPH or below.
The way people REALLY brake from speed is encompassed by the 60 – 0, 70 – 0 and 80 – 0 tests.
I'm a walking fucking encylopedia and could do this ALL NIGHT LONG.
No need to thank me. I’ve posted those results. They speak for themselves.
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Originally Posted by BlacuraTL-S
soooooooooooo...
Mr. Encyclopedia...
would the RL rotors fit the tl-s? my guess is no...
Mr. Encyclopedia...
would the RL rotors fit the tl-s? my guess is no...
PM Sent. :wink:
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elkayem:
That may be the squeeler tabs that warn of low brakes- its attached to the inner pad and contacts the rotor under braking to tell you something is wrong
Check the brakes if you know how- or take it to a shop right away
Waiting cost more if you damage the rotors
That may be the squeeler tabs that warn of low brakes- its attached to the inner pad and contacts the rotor under braking to tell you something is wrong
Check the brakes if you know how- or take it to a shop right away
Waiting cost more if you damage the rotors
I have taken the wheel off but I can't seem to find the problem.
Does anyone know if I can get some nice slotted rotors for the TL-S and what size should I get?
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Originally Posted by elkayem
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Does anyone know if I can get some nice slotted rotors for the TL-S and what size should I get?
Does anyone know if I can get some nice slotted rotors for the TL-S and what size should I get?
Check here: https://acurazine.com/forums/sponsored-sales-group-buys-10/rotora-slotted-drilled-slotted-rotors-special-cl-tl-tsx-324531/
Excelelrate Group Rotora buy. These look great. Some debate on whether slotted and/or drilled is better for performance.
Also Mr. Heeltoe another vendor - StopTech and/or Racing Brake, IIRC.
Here's a slotted disc on a 3G:
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Originally Posted by BlacuraTL-S
soooooooooooo...
Mr. Encyclopedia...
would the RL rotors fit the tl-s? my guess is no...
Mr. Encyclopedia...
would the RL rotors fit the tl-s? my guess is no...
Any future "comments" you may about this thread can be posted here instead:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...87#post1862787
I'm not going to deal with two different threads.
Honda can machine rotor blanks anyway they choose, so the fact that the bolt pattern is different is moot.
Some rotors are two piece (aluminum section). These look like they could be, although I haven't had them off to check. In that case, the discs themselves would fit, although the center sections would have different bolt patterns.
Either way, the TL-S would be a better car if it had 12.6" F and 12.2" R brakes.
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Originally Posted by juruki
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I just installed my Hawk ceramic street performance break pads on my 07 TL-S and the fit was perfect. The pads were listed for the 04-06 MT TL.
Thx to all the vendors in AZ for good service, good prices and fast shipping!!!
I just installed my Hawk ceramic street performance break pads on my 07 TL-S and the fit was perfect. The pads were listed for the 04-06 MT TL.
Thx to all the vendors in AZ for good service, good prices and fast shipping!!!
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Originally Posted by juruki
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I just installed my Hawk ceramic street performance break pads on my 07 TL-S and the fit was perfect. The pads were listed for the 04-06 MT TL.
I just installed my Hawk ceramic street performance break pads on my 07 TL-S and the fit was perfect. The pads were listed for the 04-06 MT TL.
I was therefore unwilling to spend my money on pads without being certain they'd fit. Now I know they will fit.
Why did you replace your stock pads?
Are the new pads "better?" If so, how?
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Originally Posted by harddrivin1le
I have owned approximately TWENTY brand new cars since 1986; not one of which had any brake noise. My '99 1LE Camaro was fitted with two different types of high performance, aftermarket pads and they were also silent.
Summarily, this is the ONLY car I have owned (or driven within the past 15 years or so) that has brake noise of any sort. So please don't tell me that this is "normal" because it's not.
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Summarily, this is the ONLY car I have owned (or driven within the past 15 years or so) that has brake noise of any sort. So please don't tell me that this is "normal" because it's not.
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Sorry bra, but don't be mad at me. You're the one who has a problem.
All I said is:
- I've got three cars in the driveway right now, including an '07 TL-S (fact);
- I can make all three "groan" at will coming to a stop or starting from a stop (fact);
- They don't "groan" when *I* drive in *my* normal way (fact);
- And finally, that IF my "groan" and your "groan" are the same then the difference is driving/braking style (a logical conclusion if the assumption is true).
I made it ESPECIALLY clear that my "groan" and your "groan" may not be the same thing - maybe you missed it.
I just did a little experiment to see if a different driving/braking style could recreate the sound in multiple cars. It did. I'm satisfied with the result and the logical conclusion.
I think this post from 2004 is applcable:
Originally Posted by svtmike
I think trolling is the point.
Trollin' trollin' trollin',
HD keeps on trollin'
Keep those long threads going,
Rawhide!
On fogs and HIDs and G35s
No matter that facts aren't on his side
HD keeps on trollin'
Rawhide!
Trollin' trollin' trollin',
HD keeps on trollin'
Keep those long threads going,
Rawhide!
On fogs and HIDs and G35s
No matter that facts aren't on his side
HD keeps on trollin'
Rawhide!
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Don't feed the...WTF?
Not that I really want to weasel my way into the middle of all of this - but I'm having a problem that I think this thread can answer - but it appears that this thread got wayyyy off course. Any chance to bring it back long enough to help a fellow AZiner?
I have experience the "chatter" when I let up on my brakes just barely enough to allow the car to creep forward (like when I'm in a drive through trying to make the noise... boredom).
My issue isn't that "chatter" or "groan" as I think you all may be referring to. My issue is my brakes squeeling to high heaven just before i come to a stop, and for a split second or so after I start going again. When I say squeeling - it's different then the normal wear bar noise that I've been accustomed to in previous vehicles. This reminds me of when you have a bike with caliper-style brakes (no back peddlers...lol) - get the rims when and try to stop. You can hear that from a mile away. That or when you get a big semi stopping next to you and it lets out a horrendous groan.
That's my car. Pretty sweet huh? Apparently the chicks dig it because they are all looking at me when I go by.
I'm going to look into the pads tonight just to ensure or eliminate a potential pad situation. I'm almost a little worried though that I may have a sticky caliper causing my pad to glaze (thus the noise after I let up on my brakes as well)
So - what's your thoughts on my wheeling whoas?
I have experience the "chatter" when I let up on my brakes just barely enough to allow the car to creep forward (like when I'm in a drive through trying to make the noise... boredom).
My issue isn't that "chatter" or "groan" as I think you all may be referring to. My issue is my brakes squeeling to high heaven just before i come to a stop, and for a split second or so after I start going again. When I say squeeling - it's different then the normal wear bar noise that I've been accustomed to in previous vehicles. This reminds me of when you have a bike with caliper-style brakes (no back peddlers...lol) - get the rims when and try to stop. You can hear that from a mile away. That or when you get a big semi stopping next to you and it lets out a horrendous groan.
That's my car. Pretty sweet huh? Apparently the chicks dig it because they are all looking at me when I go by.
I'm going to look into the pads tonight just to ensure or eliminate a potential pad situation. I'm almost a little worried though that I may have a sticky caliper causing my pad to glaze (thus the noise after I let up on my brakes as well)
So - what's your thoughts on my wheeling whoas?
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
Sorry bra, but don't be mad at me. You're the one who has a problem.
All I said is:
- I've got three cars in the driveway right now, including an '07 TL-S (fact);
- I can make all three "groan" at will coming to a stop or starting from a stop (fact);
- They don't "groan" when *I* drive in *my* normal way (fact);
- And finally, that IF my "groan" and your "groan" are the same then the difference is driving/braking style (a logical conclusion if the assumption is true).
I made it ESPECIALLY clear that my "groan" and your "groan" may not be the same thing - maybe you missed it.
I just did a little experiment to see if a different driving/braking style could recreate the sound in multiple cars. It did. I'm satisfied with the result and the logical conclusion.
I think this post from 2004 is applcable:
All I said is:
- I've got three cars in the driveway right now, including an '07 TL-S (fact);
- I can make all three "groan" at will coming to a stop or starting from a stop (fact);
- They don't "groan" when *I* drive in *my* normal way (fact);
- And finally, that IF my "groan" and your "groan" are the same then the difference is driving/braking style (a logical conclusion if the assumption is true).
I made it ESPECIALLY clear that my "groan" and your "groan" may not be the same thing - maybe you missed it.
I just did a little experiment to see if a different driving/braking style could recreate the sound in multiple cars. It did. I'm satisfied with the result and the logical conclusion.
I think this post from 2004 is applcable:
The said it is "DEFINITELY NOT NORMAL." Who am I going to believe - them or you?
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Don't feed the...WTF?
So apparently this was not the thread to get any help. Tsk Tsk guys.
But - either way, I have an update for anyone that cares. I pulled the tires and checked the brakes. Drivers side rear caliper is either frozen or sticking really badly. The outside of the rotor looks fine, but the inside is completely rusted over, and there are "cracks" of the turned serface showing through.
Called the dealer - but looks like I need to wait until Monday to get the shop to do anything about it. Looks like no money will be coming out of my pocket for this brake job afterall.
Next time around, I think I'll go for new performance pads and rotors all around. Now I'm just looking for a cheap fix until I can get some of my wedding paid off (just got married on 10/6)
But - either way, I have an update for anyone that cares. I pulled the tires and checked the brakes. Drivers side rear caliper is either frozen or sticking really badly. The outside of the rotor looks fine, but the inside is completely rusted over, and there are "cracks" of the turned serface showing through.
Called the dealer - but looks like I need to wait until Monday to get the shop to do anything about it. Looks like no money will be coming out of my pocket for this brake job afterall.
Next time around, I think I'll go for new performance pads and rotors all around. Now I'm just looking for a cheap fix until I can get some of my wedding paid off (just got married on 10/6)
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