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Old 09-13-2011, 04:49 PM
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Question RECOMMENDED service interval & items, NOT the manual

Hi everyone, it's been 11 days since I joind AZ and I, what can i say, I love it.

(and that includes the way AZ makes me want to spend spend spend on quality maintenance lol)

so, speaking of maintenance,,

I have an issue with the owner's manual.

actually, I will tell the whole story.


My second last car was chrysler 300C 5.7, and chrysler wanted the pricetag so low, the put copper plugs in the engine.

The owner's manual said change every 50,000kms(I was in canada back then. it's about 30,000miles)
but I found the plugs were totally shot and misfiring and shaking car like crazy at say,,, 22,000miles.

and my LAST car was 300C SRT8 with 6.1,, here they put platinum NGK from factory, with recommended change interval of 100,000miles.

But I bought the car at 58,000miles and changed it at 59k, and it resulted in increase in MPG by 2 on highway. (believe it or not, that 6.1 took me 23miles a gallon)

and there's a lot more about how the rear diff fluid interval is 110,000miles and it's filthy nasty dirty at 65,000miles and etc, but i'll get back to the point.

now BACK TO ACURA STORY.

I am doubtful on a few maintenance recommendations (based on what I've learned from AZ)

1. transmission fluid change at 105,000miles - B.S.
(my car sits 85,200 with fill from factory)
2. spark plug at 105,000miles?????? really?????????
3. what else should i know??


I'm going up to canada to see my buddies in about a month.

I want my car to get ready for a long trip @ 100% running condition.
and I blame the 1 and 2 for, me only getting 22MPG 70% highway.
I have absolutely no weight on the car except my application for license plate, and my phone.
(dang right, this 3.2 drinks more gas than 6.1!! gotta be kidding me)

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So i'm a lousy writer, and I'll make it short.

What should I do with my new(to me) 07 TL with 85,000miles getting 25MPG highway????
I checked all service record and all she got was oil, air filter and cabin filter change
Haven't named her yet but still feel bad.

P.S. any suggestions for South Carolina personalized tag?
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^^^ I loved the summary

Here is my maintenance log

PART-----------------------------------------------------INTERVAL
ENGINE OIL--------------------------------------------------7,500 (Redline 5W-30)
TRANNY OIL------------------------------------------------60,000 (Redline Type F ATF)
PS OIL-----------------------------------------------------60,000 (Acura OEM)
BRAKE FLUID-----------------------------------------------60,000 (Valvoline DOT 3&4)
COOLANT--------------------------------------------------60,000 (Acura OEM)

SPARK PLUGS----------------------------------------------60,000 (NGK)
TIMING BELT/WATER PUMP---------------------------------105,000 (Acura OEM)

OIL FILTER-------------------------------------------------7,500 (Fram)
CABIN FILTER----------------------------------------------30,000 (Fram/whatever I can find)
AIR FILTER------------------------------------------------30,000 (AEM)
TRANNY FILTER--------------------------------------------60,000 (OEM)
TRANSMISSION SENSOR------------------------------------60,000 (OEM)

WIPER--------------------------------------------------when required
BRAKE PADS---------------------------------------------when required
BRAKE DISC---------------------------------------------when required
MAG BOLTS----------------------------------------------when required

150 POINT INSPECTION--------------------------------------105,000
ALIGNMENT--------------------------------------------------7,500

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Great post by both of you! I agree with most of what you have below but made changes to reflect my opinion.

Here is my maintenance log

PART-----------------------------------------------------INTERVAL
ENGINE OIL--------------------------------------------------7,500 (Redline 5W-30 or 5w20)
TRANNY OIL------------------------------------------------60,000 (Redline Type F ATF 3x3 flush Important!)
PS OIL-----------------------------------------------------60,000 (Acura OEM)
BRAKE FLUID-----------------------------------------------60,000 (Valvoline DOT 3&4)
COOLANT--------------------------------------------------60,000 (Acura OEM)

SPARK PLUGS----------------------------------------------60,000 100,000 mi worked fine for me, they were in good shape(NGK)
TIMING BELT/WATER PUMP---------------------------------105,000 (Acura OEM)

OIL FILTER-------------------------------------------------7,500 (Not Fram)
CABIN FILTER----------------------------------------------30,000 (Fram/whatever I can find)
AIR FILTER------------------------------------------------30,000 (AEM)
TRANNY FILTER--------------------------------------------60,000 (OEM)
TRANSMISSION SENSOR------------------------------------60,000 (OEM)important!!! seach for more info.

WIPER--------------------------------------------------when required
BRAKE PADS---------------------------------------------when required
BRAKE DISC---------------------------------------------when required
MAG BOLTS----------------------------------------------when required

150 POINT INSPECTION--------------------------------------105,000
ALIGNMENT-------------------------------------------------AS NEEDED, OR IF NEEDED WHEN GETTING NEW TIRES

Valve adjustment----------------------------------150,000 mi or sooner as needed



LINKS ABOUT TRANSMISSION:
1) Very interesting conversation with my transmission builder on the TL

2)Racing ATF
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Both those maintenance suggestions are right on par. Only discrepancy's I see is:

Changing the oil every 7500 miles if your using redline fluid. At $10+ a quart ($50 oil change in just oil) you can easily stretch that to 10-15000 miles. I guess that depends on how much city/highway driving your doing. Spend the extra $5 or so on a royal purple oil filter.

NGK plugs run about $10 per plug. The TL is a very clean burning motor. When I bought mine I did a complete tune up and I doubt the previous owner changed the plugs and they were still in great condition. They most likely had about 60,000+ miles on them. I how ever am anal about things like that and would recommend 60,000 mile changes.

Timing belt/water pump is the big one @ 105k. Depending on where you have it done be ready to pay any where from $500-1200 to have it done. I see you are currently living in Columbia, SC as am I. DO NOT bring your TL to McDaniels Acura here in Columbia. They are way over priced and have horrible service. They quoted me $1400 for this maintenance.

On alignment it really depends. If you have the Firestone lifetime package then do it as Swoosh suggested but if you don't then do as hleapha suggested. I'll warn you now, if you plan on lowering it none of the Firestone locations here in Columbia will work on the car.

What should I do with my new(to me) 07 TL with 85,000miles getting 25MPG highway
Is this just highway or a mix of city/highway? If its just highway then you should do a complete tune up. I drive ALOT and my 04 gets 30-32 on just the highway. I average about 27-29mpg on a full tank with about 30% city and 70% highway driving.

P.S. any suggestions for South Carolina personalized tag?
Seeing as your Canadian I'd suggest "Aboot" lol

Not sure if you'll be in Canada during this but there is a AZ meet in Charlotte Oct, 1. https://acurazine.com/forums/southeast-318/southeast-acurazine-meet-saturday-october-1st-charlotte-nc-828095/
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This thread is turning out to be great....good amount of info....

1> Fram filter: The reason I use Fram is because of a test carried out by Inaccurate. Fram is a great filter (I use only the PH3593A) and is less restrictive, so the engine doesnt go into starvation....Again since its not a synthetic filter i dont wanna leave it on there for 10-15K miles, I change it 7.5K miles....

2> Spark plugs: My plugs do look good at 60K miles but I do it as a preventive maintenance since I drive in a very spirited manner....I usually buy them when Advanced Auto Parts is having a sale and end up getting 8 (2x4pack) for 50 odd bucks....

3> Alignment/Rotation/Balance....I got a hookup at firestone and hence I take it in everytime I do an oil change to get all that done....takes them like 30-40 minutes but car rides very smooth and gives great gas mileage due to proper alignment and balancing....

4> Valve Adjustment....Great addition there buddy...I am sitting at 155K and need to get that done

5> Timing Belt....I just buy everything outside (~350 bucks for Water pump, both gates belt and tensioners and spark plugs)...I do the plugs myself and take her in for the rest...pay like $400 for labor...so your done in $750-ish as compared to $1400-1500
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Here's my own:



PART-----------------------------------------------------INTERVAL

ENGINE OIL--------------------------------------------------5,000 (Redline 5W-30) Oil will go far but you still have the combustion byproduct contaminates that only changing the oil will get rid of.

TRANNY OIL------------------------------------------------60,000 (Redline Type F ATF)

PS OIL----------------------------------------------------- 1Yr (Amsoil) Drain and fill of the reservoir Doing this
once a year means you never have to do a flush and
it only takes 10 minutes.

BRAKE FLUID-------------------------------------------- 1-2Yrs (Motul Dot 5.1) Brake fluid is changed based on time, not miles.

COOLANT-------------------------------------------------- 2Yrs (Acura OEM) I do a single drain and fill of the radiator
which means I'll never have to do a complete flush. Only takes 5 minutes. I got a ton of sand out the first time I drained it when the car was 2 yrs old

SPARK PLUGS---------------------------------------- 60,000* (NGK) Can't go wrong with stock but regular
coppers are fine if you do shorter 40,000 mile
intervals. I run regular plugs.

TIMING BELT/WATER PUMP--------------------------105,000 (Acura OEM)

OIL FILTER-----------------------------------------------10,000*
(Royal Purple) You get superior flow AND filtration.
I change it every other oil change so 10k total.

CABIN FILTER---------------------------------------------- 1Yr (Fram Fresh breeze baking soda and activated
carbon filter) Around here, the filter is noticeably
plugged after a year.

AIR FILTER------------------------------------------------50,000* (OEM) Only replace as needed which is not very often.
They filter better as they load up so there's no
point to changing super early. I use OEM filters
because they offer the best filtration.

TRANNY FILTER--------------------------------------- 60,000 Took the factory one out completely, use an
inline Magnefine that's replaced every 60k.


TRANSMISSION SENSOR
-----------------------------------2yrs
(OEM) These seem to go bad based on time
and not mileage.

WIPER-------------------------------------------------- 1Yr
(Bosch Icons) I've never made it more than one year.


150 POINT INSPECTION-------------------------------105,000

ALIGNMENT----------------------------------------------- Never* Only if I hit something or get new tires. Not a maintenance item.
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Well that came out terrible but I guess it's still somewhat readable.
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Honda should pay you guys lol

Thanks to:

swoosh for the great format. I'm gonna "borrow" your format when I'm explaining maintenances to my LX forum friends. *credits to swoosh from AcuraZine*

hleapha for red letter additions.
btw, I thought the sensors were only issues for 04-06.
I have 07 TL, thus the RL tranny as far as I know??

Gryphen how IN THE WORLD did you know I went to McDaniels for main't quote LOL . that's where 31 of my maintenance records came up from in carfax. prev. owner was,,,,, rich man I guess hehe
well they did say $1400 for the timing belt alone.

now I wanna know the shop you go to for the "complete tune up"! in Columbia
(of course I can always drive to north GA but, local mechanic will be better)

btw, I moved to SC so I won't be in Canada, and I was wondering if I should go to AZ meet since I'm so new, and won't know anybody...


I hate cars for your experience and expertise.

I've been loving amsoil since 2008.

btw that amsoil ATF is both suitable for tranny AND power steering right,? then i'll just order 12 qt and do total 9qt tranny and the rest for PS,,
I am, and have always been, favor of home-garage for main't but living in an apartment doesn't give me much option for having any tools or flat space to work on. (should have picked garaged one.. oh well)
Just need to find a right local mechanic.

the baking soda for cabin filter is a real good idea. thanks.

P.S. do you have videos of your 10 sec buick?????

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Thank you everyone once again,

Shopping for ATF and spark plugs
probably go for amsoil ATF and NGK (I think OEM is NGK?)

and looking for a SC mechanic. better if Columbia, anywhere within 200miles is good enough

Southeast members, help me?
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^^^ your welcome bro....tried to answer all your concerns here vvvv

sensors are a know issue in the 3G...04-06 has 1x3rd gear and 1x4th gear...whereas the 07-08 have 2x3rd gear and 1x4th gear....a lot of members do switch out both the sensors...

I would rather do Redline Type F instead of Amsoil for the tranny. I bet IHC will agree with me here

Fram does come with the baking soda stuff on the Cabin air filter. That is what am running right now

I live in an apartment as well...I suggest buying a tool kit and low profile jack....I do all my maintenance work in my apartment

Plus all of this stuff is DIY-able....check the 3G garage out here:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/3g-tl-garage-faq-3g-tl-newbies-553554/

I suggest doing it at home and saving yourself some $$$
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Originally Posted by 4drviper
gryphen how in the world did you know i went to mcdaniels for main't quote lol . That's where 31 of my maintenance records came up from in carfax. Prev. Owner was,,,,, rich man i guess hehe
well they did say $1400 for the timing belt alone.
Seeing as McDaniels is the only dealer within 100miles it wasn't really hard to figure out. Like I said in my earlier post if you want to save some money don't let them work on the car because they are way over priced. I had my 105k service done in Charlotte, NC. I went there for 2 reasons, they were cheaper and my TL came from that area so I got the service records while I was there. I had them do valve adjustment and full Timing belt/water pump service. If you shop around for this service there is 5 dealers within a 100 mile radius of Columbia and 2 of them are McDaniels. There is McDaniels (Columbia, SC), Acura of Augusta (Augusta, GA), McDaniels (Charleston, SC), Hendrix Acura (Charlotte, NC), and Bradshaw Acura (Greenville, SC). Every dealer was at least $400 cheaper then McDaniels. Or do as Swoosh suggested, buy the package that is offered here on AZ for like $400 and bring it to a Honda or Acura dealer.


Originally Posted by 4drviper
Now i wanna know the shop you go to for the "complete tune up"! In columbia
(of course i can always drive to north ga but, local mechanic will be better)
For routine stuff like oil changes, ATF drains, plugs, filters and so on I do all my own work. Not sure on a local shop around Columbia. There's a shit load of shops to choose from though if you don't plan on doing your own work. I'd maybe suggest Nuttall's or Pope-Davis.

Originally Posted by 4drviper
btw, i moved to sc so i won't be in canada, and i was wondering if i should go to az meet since i'm so new, and won't know anybody...
I don't know anybody going either but you'll never get to know them unless you go.

Originally Posted by 4drviper
Shopping for atf and spark plugs
probably go for amsoil atf and ngk (i think oem is ngk?)
I'm gonna agree with Swoosh on the ATF fluid. Go with Redline Type-F. You will not be disappointed. Acura uses NGK Iridium plugs factory so I would stick with those they're great plugs.

Originally Posted by 4drviper
and looking for a sc mechanic. Better if columbia, anywhere within 200miles is good enough
southeast members, help me?
I don't know of any shops that specialize in Acura's here in Columbia but there probably is. The only Honda/Acura specialist I have been told about or suggested is in Charlotte called Hondaworks (I think they may have changed the name to Asiaworks).
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Originally Posted by 4drviper
Thanks to:

swoosh for the great format. I'm gonna "borrow" your format when I'm explaining maintenances to my LX forum friends. *credits to swoosh from AcuraZine*

hleapha for red letter additions.
btw, I thought the sensors were only issues for 04-06.
I have 07 TL, thus the RL tranny as far as I know??

Gryphen how IN THE WORLD did you know I went to McDaniels for main't quote LOL . that's where 31 of my maintenance records came up from in carfax. prev. owner was,,,,, rich man I guess hehe
well they did say $1400 for the timing belt alone.

now I wanna know the shop you go to for the "complete tune up"! in Columbia
(of course I can always drive to north GA but, local mechanic will be better)

btw, I moved to SC so I won't be in Canada, and I was wondering if I should go to AZ meet since I'm so new, and won't know anybody...


I hate cars for your experience and expertise.

I've been loving amsoil since 2008.

btw that amsoil ATF is both suitable for tranny AND power steering right,? then i'll just order 12 qt and do total 9qt tranny and the rest for PS,,
I am, and have always been, favor of home-garage for main't but living in an apartment doesn't give me much option for having any tools or flat space to work on. (should have picked garaged one.. oh well)
Just need to find a right local mechanic.

the baking soda for cabin filter is a real good idea. thanks.

P.S. do you have videos of your 10 sec buick?????

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Thank you everyone once again,

Shopping for ATF and spark plugs
probably go for amsoil ATF and NGK (I think OEM is NGK?)

and looking for a SC mechanic. better if Columbia, anywhere within 200miles is good enough

Southeast members, help me?
I think all I have left is a video back when it was stock with open exhaust, the boost turned up, and a K&N filter racing a supercharged heads/cam 5.0 Mustang. Mine is in some of the Buick shootout videos on the web.

On these Hondas, you can't use the ATF in the power steering as you can in most other cars. But, you can use Amsoil's PSF in the TL. It's the only one I know of that's approved for Honda and it works very well. The steering effort is lighter when cold and in the winter but just as firm if not firmer once hot. It works great in the TL.

I also live in an apartment, at least for the next 6 months. You can easily do the little things like the PSF in the parking lot. I use a turkey baster to suck the fluid out and add the new stuff with a funnel. If you do that single drain and fill each year you're ahead of the game and it's all you'll ever need.

I highly suggest Amsoil's "Super Shift" ATF and their own power steering fluid. You won't believe the difference they will make. If you really like Amsoil, check out their ACD 30wt oil. It's a truly amazing oil and especially for the price. I ran it for 70,000 miles in my TL before switching to Redline. Awesome oil.
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A buddy of mine lets me use his full shop to work on my car. I printed out a full service write up from the Michell Mechanics program. Next time I have access to it I will post it up!
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Summary

Okay, so a quick summary of my shopping list for a

85k mile 07 TL base, nothing done except engine oil, engine oil filter and cabin filter.
as of September 2011


1. brake fluid 12oz ....................x2 (do I need more for a single round of bleeding?)

2. transmission fluid 1qt ............x9 (haven't decided which)

3. transmission filter................. x1 (RAY-something or OEM)
- as a ex-car enthusiast I'm just gonna stick with OE filter. Planning to keep the TL stock until I buy a new car that will die with me - maybe 2020 TL X type (for eXtreme? )

4. Amsoil Power Steering 16oz.... x2

5. Acura OEM antifreeze 1gal...... x2

6. NGK IZFR6K11(aka 6994)........ x6

7. Cabin filter Fram PH3593A....... x1 - I just felt like it.

8. TOOLS - Low profile jack, jackstands, 14mm 17mm sockets, extensions, torque wrench, philips screwdriver, turkey baster etc.
(as the list goes on, I'm starting to understand why girls like shopping LOL)

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Hmm,,, these look pretty easy
- power steering
- radiator drain & refill
- transmission 3x3
- transmission filter
- spark plugs

I'm just going to leave brake bleed to professionals..

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NEW QUESTIONS.

1. I've read some threads about 60k+ mile TL 3G having issue after doing 3x3 with racing ATF (type-F, amsoil SS) now,,, "as an ex-car enthusiast", I want to avoid any hassle. Would I be okay if I just take long enough intervals between 1x3, 2x3 and 3x3 such as 500 miles?
*note* : I wouldn't mind harsh feelings as long as it won't interfere with my plan to keep this very tranny running to 300k miles.
Worst case scenario, I can just do another 1x3 with friction-modified ATF, right?

2. Nobody raised issues with fuel system. (i.e. fuel filter, pump, injector, etc). I assume the fuel system is bulletproof and maintenance-free??

3. Am I just a dumba$$ and suck at search,,,, or,,,,,,
is there a thread with pressure switch part # for 07-08 TL??
(I have seen one with 1x3rd and 1x4th with 04-06 only. I wanna see one for 07-08 with 2x3rd and 1x4th as swoosh said)


PS - I hate cars :
So, just "turkey bast" the power steering resorvoir and fill with new fluid, no need to deal with hoses and clamps, great!! I'll do that tomorrow lol, oh wait, it's already today (1:12AM)


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Dang, I spent 90 minutes on this single thread making sure everything is correct. I better get some sleep lol

Thank you everyone for being real-time active

I'm looking forward to making a complete maintenance table looking like

ITEMS.......................................5000.. ........10000..........15000.....
engine oil
------------------------------------l------X------l---------------l-------------
engine oil filter
------------------------------------l------X------l---------------l-------------
cabin filter
------------------------------------l--------------l---------------l-----X-------
power steering fluid
------------------------------------l-------------l-------X-------l-------------
brake fluid
------------------------------------l-------------l-------X-------l-------------
transmission 3qt. drain & refill
------------------------------------l-------------l---------------l------X------
radiator 2gal. drain & refill
------------------------------------l-------------l-------X-------l-------------
I'm really going to bed but well.. you get the picture
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^^^ well u pretty much summed it all...

here is the bible...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553554

all you gotta do is search for say power steering and you will see how to flush it out....

Put little cardboard pieces under the tires...take a turkey baster to the reservoir (suck all the fluid out)....I used a syringe with a tube....put the return line in a bottle....and turn the steering lock to lock pumping all the old fluid out...let the pump run dry (you will hear squeaking)...turn the car off, attach the return line, pour new fluid in....turn the car on, go lock to lock again...top off to max line....and your done...

You will also find how much fluid you will need and every everything in there....

if you dont find something, PM me and will help you with it....

and yeah the pressure switches can be found here:
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/very-interesting-conversation-my-transmission-builder-tl-721508/

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Hey I'm from Columbia (Lexington) too, that's crazy! I bought my car from McDaniels and that was it. I've done all the maintenance myself and have not used a mechanic. The only people I can recommend are the 'Kar Kare' in Cayce for tires. Great family, and are willing to match competitors (Like Franks) but don't bitch when you come in for a free rotation/balance/or repair (Like pope davis). The Kar Kare folks actually say that you should have brought it in sooner!

But McDaniels would rip you a new one for maintenance or try to convince you to get some unnecessary repair.
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I don't want to start a war and please, PLEASE people don't go I Hate Cars on me, but I still doubt the validity of swapping those 3 and 4 pressure switches as part of a maintenance plan.

This all started with sorry, I Hate Cars, who talked to his "builder buddy" and it was recommended by him to swap them.

Are you going to trust your car and wallet to a this information?

I realize this forum, which is great by the way, is a place to swap ideas and I do heed the recommendations of others. But most of the time that it is agreement with Acura.

I've randomly called 6 Acura dealerships and not one of them EVER does this as preventative maintenance. Now one could argue that they are all forced to be on the same page by their service managers and Acura corporate but wouldn't you think at least one of them would say "yes, we have done that, they do fail or will fail"?

None of them even admitted they failed. And when I mentioned the word "calibration" which I am quoting someone from on here, to my tech at Acura in NH he laughed out loud. I feel like those switches are fairly robust and to think they go "out of calibration" seems like a stretch.

Again, not trying to start a battle here. Just posing the other side of the argument to see of anyone agrees with me. I know many will disagree.

Nice listing of the maintenance schedules by the way. definitely printing that stuff out.
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^^^ i know what you mean....

when IHC posted the thread I was skeptical of whether I want to do it or not just coz some dude told some dude about it....

then I thought 2 things:
1> until 05-06 the TL has had transmission issues and then suddenly in the 07+ models they put 2x3rd gear switches and 1x4th....maybe they were thinking the same thing
2> its only 70 odd bucks....I have spend more money on a stupid date which didnt go too well...so why not on my car....let me try it out and feel the difference (i didnt do a drain and refill when i switched the switches)....the difference was positive....

so when you think about this stuff you do feel "hey might as well give it a try, worst case scenario will switch back to stock switches"....and these are not aftermarket parts....genuine acura stuff
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^^^ i know what you mean....

when IHC posted the thread I was skeptical of whether I want to do it or not just coz some dude told some dude about it....

then I thought 2 things:
1> until 05-06 the TL has had transmission issues and then suddenly in the 07+ models they put 2x3rd gear switches and 1x4th....maybe they were thinking the same thing
2> its only 70 odd bucks....I have spend more money on a stupid date which didnt go too well...so why not on my car....let me try it out and feel the difference (i didnt do a drain and refill when i switched the switches)....the difference was positive....

so when you think about this stuff you do feel "hey might as well give it a try, worst case scenario will switch back to stock switches"....and these are not aftermarket parts....genuine acura stuff
First off, thanks for answering the question without taking my criticism of the switches personal.

So are you saying that pre-07 didn't use the switches? I personally dont know. And yes, it is cheap relative to other repairs.
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Changing NKG Iridium's at 60K is a waste of time and money. They are easily capable of 105K:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=59

Gap on my old plugs was still at the OEM spec....

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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Changing NKG Iridium's at 60K is a waste of time and money. They are easily capable of 105K:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=59

Gap on my old plugs was still at the OEM spec....
Sure you can get 105k out of the plugs but gonna quote Swoosh on this:
Originally Posted by swoosh
its only 70 odd bucks....I have spend more money on a stupid date which didnt go too well...so why not on my car.
With the average yearly miles your talking about spending $70 like every 3-4 years, why not do it.
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First off, thanks for answering the question without taking my criticism of the switches personal.

So are you saying that pre-07 didn't use the switches? I personally dont know. And yes, it is cheap relative to other repairs.
Not a problem....the 04-06 have 1x3rd and 1x4th where as the 07+ have 2x3rd and 1x4th

Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Changing NKG Iridium's at 60K is a waste of time and money. They are easily capable of 105K:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=59

Gap on my old plugs was still at the OEM spec....
yes, i agree....they can go 105K and so can the Z1 go 60K....but I do change things around to suit my needs....if someone wants to go 30K or 150K on them, thats fine too, but I really dont wanna cheap out when it comes to engine components....am not a guru and hence when something breaks internally, it will cost me more to repair....i know its a lame excuse but it has worked out well for me so far

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Sure you can get 105k out of the plugs but gonna quote Swoosh on this:


With the average yearly miles your talking about spending $70 like every 3-4 years, why not do it.
I agree....I drive ~20-25K per year....so most of the items come in every 2 years and some come in every 3 years....
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Originally Posted by dece207
I don't want to start a war and please, PLEASE people don't go I Hate Cars on me, but I still doubt the validity of swapping those 3 and 4 pressure switches as part of a maintenance plan.

This all started with sorry, I Hate Cars, who talked to his "builder buddy" and it was recommended by him to swap them.

Are you going to trust your car and wallet to a this information?

I realize this forum, which is great by the way, is a place to swap ideas and I do heed the recommendations of others. But most of the time that it is agreement with Acura.

I've randomly called 6 Acura dealerships and not one of them EVER does this as preventative maintenance. Now one could argue that they are all forced to be on the same page by their service managers and Acura corporate but wouldn't you think at least one of them would say "yes, we have done that, they do fail or will fail"?

None of them even admitted they failed. And when I mentioned the word "calibration" which I am quoting someone from on here, to my tech at Acura in NH he laughed out loud. I feel like those switches are fairly robust and to think they go "out of calibration" seems like a stretch.

Again, not trying to start a battle here. Just posing the other side of the argument to see of anyone agrees with me. I know many will disagree.

Nice listing of the maintenance schedules by the way. definitely printing that stuff out.
I think "calibration" is probably a mis-used term. "Out of Spec" would probably be better. If they went out of "calibration" there's an implication you can re-calibrate them to be correct, which I'm pretty sure is not the case.

So, do they go bad? Do they go "out of spec"?

What's the spec? How do you measure it? Well, there a couple of posts on that. Here's a link to a post where someone measured pressure required for a new switch and an old switch:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=537

And this:

Originally Posted by jnc2000
Guys... just as an FYI the service manual has a whole process for this and call for measuring the resistance of the shift solenoid sensors. Might be a good place to check as well for a good walk through. According to Honda they call say the standard is 12-25 ohms anything out of stand is to be replaced...
Both bits from this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721508

So it's not JUST, some guy on a forum saying, "Hey, I talked to some transmission guy I know and he said .... :blah: :blah: :blah: " There is some technical detail that may support the conclusion that the switches can "go bad".

And there is, apparently, a procedure and a spec in the Service Manual. I'm not sure precisely which tests and switches are applicable, but Service Manual page 14-0 and 14-1 have a table of contents which lists the various tests for the various switches.


All that aside, consider the WORST case (besides user install error) if one does choose to change the switches. You spend ~$100 you didn't need to spend. If the switches NEVER go bad and you change them, that's the worst case.

Since you are swapping one specified used OE part for the identical new OE part the chance that you're doing something "hazardous" to your car is pretty much zero.

How can that be a bad thing? (Besides blowing a bit of hard earned cash.)



At the end of the day, this is the question each person interested in this has to answer: "Based on all I've read on this topic, is it worth ~$100 to be sure I've got good trans switches?"

Whether an indivdual answers "yes" or "no", is a personal choice. No one should be "brow-beating" someone else to answer a particular way. You put the information, experience and opinions out there and move on.
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Whether an indivdual answers "yes" or "no", is a personal choice. No one should be "brow-beating" someone else to answer a particular way. You put the information, experience and opinions out there and move on.

Thanks for the links.

How do you define "brow beating"?
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Originally Posted by dece207
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How do you define "brow beating"?
I don't. It's a figure of speech to paint a picture.

Perhaps, "No one should feel compelled to answer a particlular way just becuase someone else thinks they should" is more on the mark.




BTW - had you seen this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/optimal-percentage-racing-atf-834299/


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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
What's the spec? How do you measure it? Well, there a couple of posts on that. Here's a link to a post where someone measured pressure required for a new switch and an old switch:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=537
Thank you, I was wanting to post this data, but didn't want to search for it. So the switches determine the shift based off of pressure. If they are out of spec, then the shift will try to take place with improper pressure. If your switches are out of spec, it makes a difference in the health and longevity of your transmission.

I've randomly called 6 Acura dealerships and not one of them EVER does this as preventative maintenance. Now one could argue that they are all forced to be on the same page by their service managers and Acura corporate but wouldn't you think at least one of them would say "yes, we have done that, they do fail or will fail"?
I put no merit at all in the Acura dealerships. They operate without independent thinking under the blanket of what corporate Acura who just doesn't want to be sued. When a transmission is slipping, it could be hundreds of fixable issues. All Acura dealerships' solution is to replace the transmission. I bet all 6 of those dealerships don't know our '04-'06 have a replaceable transmission filter either.
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Originally Posted by hleapha
Thank you, I was wanting to post this data, but didn't want to search for it. So the switches determine the shift based off of pressure. If they are out of spec, then the shift will try to take place with improper pressure. If your switches are out of spec, it makes a difference in the health and longevity of your transmission.



I put no merit at all in the Acura dealerships. They operate without independent thinking under the blanket of what corporate Acura who just doesn't want to be sued. When a transmission is slipping, it could be hundreds of fixable issues. All Acura dealerships' solution is to replace the transmission. I bet all 6 of those dealerships don't know our '04-'06 have a replaceable transmission filter either.
I agree and mentioned the rationale behind their cookie cutter answers being the guidance of big brother corporate.

But then again they have to behave this way. You can't have Cooter the Acura mechanic (stereotype name and Dukes of Hazard reference) coming in after hours and trouble shooting my transmission based on some hunches he had over horseshoes. It's by the book. Slipping? Replace transmission. Shuddering? Replace Transmission. Dome light flickering? Replace transmission.

And until it becomes faster and cheaper to do otherwise, this practice continues.
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Originally Posted by hleapha
Hey I'm from Columbia (Lexington) too, that's crazy! I bought my car from McDaniels and that was it. I've done all the maintenance myself and have not used a mechanic. The only people I can recommend are the 'Kar Kare' in Cayce for tires. Great family, and are willing to match competitors (Like Franks) but don't bitch when you come in for a free rotation/balance/or repair (Like pope davis). The Kar Kare folks actually say that you should have brought it in sooner!

But McDaniels would rip you a new one for maintenance or try to convince you to get some unnecessary repair.
oh well,, I got my tires early Sep from somewhere east
I'm in NE columbia (wildewood) I just came back to check on the thread and found it lol

BTW, if you're trying to get some of preventative maintenance and feeling lazy,
check out honda of columbia (sunset blvd)
and ask one of those service guys for "acura tech jeff"
mention either AZ or edward(that's me) and he'll charge you the actual time not the books

I felt lazy to jack the car up and stuff for pressure switches, went there, jeff knew exactly what i was talking about.

he charged me 3/4hr. like 70 bucks for labor.

I'm sure he can help me ($$ wise) doing timing belt down the road.

but no guarantee, the independent mechanics in GA or NC will probably be cheaper than Honda of columbia, but for little things, I don't want 3hr road trip.

Originally Posted by swoosh
its only 70 odd bucks....I have spend more money on a stupid date which didnt go too well...so why not on my car....
LOL.............. :'(
personally i would have spend that 70 bucks to make up for the date that didn't go too well
BUT
that's if the girl was still around :P

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UPDATE FOR 07 - 08 TL TRANSMISSION PRESSURE SWITCHES

1. amsoil ATF SS(super shift) - it's type F, and i found a thread where IHC says "Absolutely don't use" it #52
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=727161&page=2
but he uses it too so i just went with it, couldn't be happier.

it brought out the shift jerk a little more, but shifted faster
including R to D when i'm doing J turn

2. got the 3 pressure switches done.
a. first day, no diff
b. second day, got smoother
c. third day, 2nd gear got smoother shift -.-
d. after 4th day, it was seamless and fast.

I guess my tranny will now live past the dreaded 150,000mile without rebuild
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If you remove the stock tranny filter and replace it with an inline manafine filter then what did you do to the giant gaping hole in the tranny where the old stock filter used to be?
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I guess the most surprising ones for me were the tranny sensor and spark plugs at 60k. I've done the drain and refill every 30k on the tranny since I got the car but never the sensor. My wife's MDX had the sensor done at 80k but she had an error code pop up. I always fill up with premium Mobil gas every single time but as a realtor i do allot of stop and go driving and also some heavy spirited driving with maybe 2 or 3 track visits per summer...so at 75k on the type-S I am considering doing the spark plugs...especially right before a long road trip I'm about to take.
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If you remove the stock tranny filter and replace it with an inline manafine filter then what did you do to the giant gaping hole in the tranny where the old stock filter used to be?
I think you put the cap back without the filter....again I THINK....dont quote me on this LOL....

Originally Posted by Izzy-Type-S
I guess the most surprising ones for me were the tranny sensor and spark plugs at 60k. I've done the drain and refill every 30k on the tranny since I got the car but never the sensor. My wife's MDX had the sensor done at 80k but she had an error code pop up. I always fill up with premium Mobil gas every single time but as a realtor i do allot of stop and go driving and also some heavy spirited driving with maybe 2 or 3 track visits per summer...so at 75k on the type-S I am considering doing the spark plugs...especially right before a long road trip I'm about to take.
I got my spark plugs every 60-70K miles....i know the NGK's can prolly go for 100+, but i think the $60-70 every 2-3 years is not a bad trade off....again I DONT WANNA START A DEBATE OVER EVERY ITEM....since I posted what I do and you can tweak it to your preference...like Inaccurate does an oil change every 5K miles with redline and tranny drain and refill every 5K miles with redline...now we can argue over it but it wont make sense....its his personal preference over yours or mine

I say take the list and tweak it to your requirements....

About the transmission sensor....check this thread out:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=721508

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Definitely doing the trans sensors but will wait for the plugs till after I'm back from a road trip to Mexico where the gas is a more poor quality compared to ours.
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enjoy the road trip bro....
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