tarponman85

Last week the car started acting very strange during startups after it had been sitting for about an hour. I uploaded a bunch of videos so you can hear the sound and see how sometimes the engine won't turn over. I took it to he dealership, and of course they could not duplicate what was happening. So that day, I started recording every start and took it back to the dealer with video proof. Fortunately, the second time at the dealership, when they started it up, it struggled a bit and they confirmed there was a problem. After a diagnostic they said the battery was bad, so the following day, I replaced the battery. But guess what. The problem is still there, so today its back at the stealership.

When I started it this morning I got a strong gasoline smell which leads me to believe that the problem has to do with the fuel system

Any Ideas?????

It's an 04 with 25,000 miles

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csmeance

when the car turns on, does it run very rough, like rpm bouncing 250 RPM"s up and down? It sounds like a bad fuel pump, do this to test for it:

1. Unlock car and put key in stall position 2 (one right before turn on)
2. Wait until it is 3 seconds after the fuel guage stops moving
3. start car, if it start immediatly, it could be the fuel pump

tarponman85

No, but recently I have notice my rpm's drop suddenly to around 1400 while stopped at a light, then it jumps right back up to normal.

Any Ideas???

csmeance

does your car drop to 1400 or jump up to 1400? If jump up, how many RPM is the motor at at the stoplight????

I hate cars

It absolutely is not related to your starter or battery. The engine is turning over just fine.


Do like he said, turn the key to on, wait a few seconds then try and start. Give the fuel pump a second to prime. If it starts up fine this way, you have a pump/regulator problem.

Second, if the first way doesn't work, put the gas pedal to the floor when you are starting it. This puts the computer into clear flood mode and shuts off the injectors until you release the pedal. If it's flooding out it will start this way.

If the first 2 don't work, take the air inlet pipe off at the throttlebody, spray some WD-40 or something flammable that won't kill you into the throttlebody and try and start it. Stand back in case it shoots flame back at you. If it starts and then dies it's a fuel system problem.

tarponman85

My Mistake. Had my numbers mixed up. I meant to say that it drops to 400 rpm for a split second.

tarponman85

Thanks for the input. I will let the service advisor know about this tomorrow.

jokerman826

i did not hear the car start once. It sounds like the starter is good, and the battery has enough power to turn it over. Whats left is the fuel and ignition systems. let us know whats up.

tarponman85

I spoke to the dealer today, appears the problem is from a bad fuel pump pressure regulator. I should have my car back by monday.

lars161

WD-40 itself is no longer flammable only the propelerant

I hate cars

No kidding? I haven't tried setting it on fire in many years but that's weird.

lars161

yup flammable when you spray it directly out of the can, but spray on something and it won't burn. I think some government company made them change it

Boosted_Brian

Here's a couple other things for people that are having problems with the car. One, dont keep your foot on the break when you start. The way the TL is engineered the break booster will suck the fuel out causing a backfire. Second, dont press on the gas. It is fly my wire so it doesn't matter, but it also messes shit up.

PS in the videos its almost like you are not even giving the car a chance to start. You are barley letting it turn over.

Are the ignitions in the 04 the same as the 08's where you can just click it forward once and it cracks till it starts?


Also, its a honda, and everyone knows when you leave a Honda sitting with low gas it take a little longer to start. LOL

Also for those of you that keep having issues the battery dieing for no reason, there will be a recall for that soon enough

It comes from leaving the head lights on all the time, or leaving it in the auto position.

I hate cars

Interesting, do you have more info on the headlights and battery drain? I've noticed if I leave the headlights on at night and let them go off when I lock the car, the next morning it cranks over slower even though the lights were only actually on a few seconds.

csmeance

Well you have 70 watts drawing from the battery with the lights already on, then when you unlock the car, the wattage required to start the bulbs places a pretty big load on the battery. That may be why it takes longer to start.

the 04-06 do not have the autostart where you turn it and let go, you must hold it until it cranks.

I hate cars

I've turned the lights off, actually just this morning before I hit the starter and it still cranks over more slowly as if there's been a slight draw on the battery overnight. I understand where you're coming from but 70watts isn't much compared with the 200+ amps the starter pulls.

tarponman85

Ok. They replaced the Fuel pump pressure regulator.....BUT THE PROBLEM IS STILL THERE.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Any other ideas???

csmeance

how about telling them to replace the fuel pump itself, clean the inline filter for the fuel pump, and check the fuel lines for gunk/rust caused by ethanol.

tarponman85

As many of you know I am having a problem with my car, the details of the problem are listed in the problems/fixes sub forum.To give you a brief description the problem is due to the fuel pump pressure regulator and supposedly there is a bulletin on it.

Anyway, I spoke with my service rep today and he said they are waiting for the people from honda diagnostics to go out there and upgrade some software issue so they could properly fix the problem."because they don't have the what is needed to fix it"

Does anyone here have any feedback on this????

tarponman85

I spoke with my service rep today and he said they are waiting for the people from honda diagnostics to go out there and upgrade some software issue so they could properly fix the problem."because they don't have what is needed to fix it"

What do you guys think about this

ggesq

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Threads merged.

tarponman85

Here is the TSB for my problem.

http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/B06-013.PDF

Spiritman

Clean inline filter? I didn't think we had an inline filter. Well not one we can clean anyway??

vegasmartin

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Any update o n this? also, why the link does not woirk anyone knows?


http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/B06-013.PDF