THEReeM718

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Some people will wait till it snaps, others will replace it and have peace of mind. Doesn't matter what is said here, people will decide for themselves not what the owners manual says....

Legitka9

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Just check your timing belt and go from there!

What is it with nfs and ihc feuding it out everywhere?!?!?

brianch

Excuse my noobness.


What is an EGR valve and where is it? How do you replace it or clean it?

erdoc48

EGR= exhaust gas recirculation:

Here's the thread (with pics) to clean the valve:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-problems-fixes-114/obd-code-p0404-694497/

When clogged or dirty, the car will barely run, have trouble staying on, and will have a tough time starting. I had mine replaced under warranty when it had ~30,000 miles.

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He loves me.

Esanchez8701

guys regardless of the damn MID you should always keep preventive maintenance in mind ALWAYS its crucial for our cars to keep them running good. The heck with the temps its really about how you drive the car if you beat on the car alot like i do then obviously 80 k is the perfect time for me to do the 100K interval. For everyone its different since we all have different driving habits. I still don't follow the service manual because of the way i drive .My car has been very good to me. I change what i feel i need to change due to wear and tear in the car and add performance parts. that's just me i love my car and will always take care of it. No need for me to express my opinion further.

3rdGenHybrid

It's not a myth that anyone except Honda created. If you ever owned a Honda before the maint. Reminder system, you would have read in the owners manual that HONDA recommends replacing timing belts at 105k or 84 months. They just got rid of the time/mileage scale because of the new maint. Reminder system. So i would like people to stop giving technicians a bad name for only recommending to you what you may need, or should consider replacing. I've seen drive belts dry rotted at 60k miles. "Normal driving conditions " also say you can go 7,500 miles on 1 oil change, and that A1 service doesn't need an oil filter change.....

Esanchez8701

Obviously that is a joke regarding the not needing to change the damn oil filter unless u have a damn good filter like RP or the cleanable re usable K&N filter which goes for 230 bucks. I too agree with your statement ive heard belts tearing at 60k, 70k. Yea time and milage scale is different for everyone as i said in my previous post for the service reminders. good post

Esanchez8701

Slick Rick

Any update ?

nfnsquared

Then what are you waiting for? According to you, your TB should have been changed 40K miles ago....Better get on that ASAP!!!!

Esanchez8701

I hate cars

You don't get off that easy. You left out a crucial piece of info in your maintenance minder nazi posts and now you're getting called on it

I have a very simple reason why I haven't changed mine besides time, I bought the parts 2 years ago. My car saw almost entirely freeway miles for the first 90k. I did the math in another thread, you can look it up if you like. It shows a car that's run mostly on the freeway will have 6x fewer engine revolutions than a car that's primarily driven in the city at the same mileage. To spell it out for you, my timing belt has the equivalent of 20,000 miles of pure city driving. It will be changed when I get the time but I'm in no hurry right now. So yeah, enough about me, lets get back to the proper timing belt interval which is 60k for some people.

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But don't you know at the exact same time the mid came along, they switched to this super timing belt that can go 20 years under all conditions as long as it doesn't exceed the mileage.

Being serious, I totally agree and those old recommendations are still a great rule of thumb since nothing mechanically changed when the mid was introduced.

nfnsquared

No I didn't. Go back and read again:

And once again, you won't find any inhabited location in North America that meets the "severe" conditions listed in the OM/SM. Plain and simple.

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It does not matter if you put the word "normal" in there. Most people have no idea what normal is and what the severe service schedule is. You still jump on people any time they ask about changing the belt before the MID tells them too. Instead you should be asking if they live in a place with temperature extremes.

You fail to realize that there's not this magical cutoff point where belts break after 60k miles in 111 degree temps but after 105k in 110 degree temps. It doesn't work that way.
The life span is shortened in higher temps and really cold temps and they don't have to meet the magic 111F for this to happen. I could be in stop and go traffic on a 102 degree day and I guarantee there's going to be more underhood heat than going down the freeway on a 111 degree day.

And yes, there are places in North America that meet the criteria. You're using your own made up definition of "regular" to suit your needs. Next time mention that there is a severe service interval that applies to some before you scold people for not following the MID.

nfnsquared

List them....

pohljm

^^ what is your point?

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Death Valley, California
Lake Havasu City, Arizona
Gold Rock Ranch, California
Mecca, California
Palmdale, California
Thermal, California
Buckeye, Arizona
Laughlin, Nevada
Laveen, Arizona
Litchfield Park, Arizona
Needles Airport, California
Willow Beach, Arizona
Yuma Airport, Arizona
Casa Grande Monument, Arizona
Palm Springs, California
Phoenix, Arizona
Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, New Mexico122

These are places that have had temps from 134 to 122F.

I didn't bother with the mere 111F places.

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Days over 99 degrees per year:

Death Valley, California 140
Bullhead City, Arizona 129
Stovepipe Wells, California 126
Mecca, California 125
Gila Bend, Arizona 124
Yuma Quartermaster Depot Park, Arizona 124
Blythe, California 121
Lake Havasu, Arizona 121
Parker, Arizona 121
Willow Beach, Arizona 121

3rdGenHybrid

What difference does it make? That's why the maintenance reminder is a joke. No one is ever going to change just the oil, and next service change the oil and filter. 60% oil life is roughly 3000 miles. Those who burn oil probably go to 15% regularly. I never have and guess what... I don't burn oil. Sure it's a good guideline, but I still feel changing your auto trans fluid/rear diff every 15k and manual trans every 30k. Cabin and air filters every 30k, and spark plugs at 90k. And your timing belt should be changed at 7/105. Why argue about driving conditions or life span of the belt? I just did adobemans timing belt at 50k due to age. Could he have gone longer? Maybe but he wanted piece of mind, and it's not that expensive.

ez12a

nope, it's not that expensive at all. those who are on the fence about DIY TB job: if you can do suspension mods like full coilovers, you can do a timing belt change. I would say in some aspects its even easier since theres no spring tension you have to worry about on anything. You can save several hundred doing it yourself even after the cost of parts and tools (which you can keep!).

I did the math, and when I saw that it only would cost me $300, i thought why the heck not.

3rdGenHybrid

I charge $650 and that's all oem parts and includes a new tensioner. Without the tensioner it's about $550. If your not comfortable doing it yourself don't... Please.... I had a guy attempt his own clutch on his Evo X, and me and my buddy had to pick up his mess... And charge him more...

ez12a

a clutch is way more involved than a tb imo lol. even i wouldnt attempt it. TB change is all simple bolt ons, and you're not dealing with a 40+lb transmission case.. if you can reach reach all the bolts for the belt covers, you can do it. it wont be quick though.

3rdGenHybrid

Lol def is .... But the Evo guy thought he was capable of doing it.

Anyhow did the OP diagnose his car yet??

johnny3

One of those gurus said he'd had his new timing belt sitting on the shelf for 2 years now, I guess that means if he puts it on today he gets only 5 years life/service out of it??

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If you're talking about me, my belt has been inside my house for almost 2 years. It's slightly different sitting there on a shelf at a constant 70 degrees than supplying power to the valve train in a 170F engine bay and then cooling back to ambient everyday. Ill run it the same length of time as I would any other new timing belt. With the TL about to get kicked out of its daily driver slot, this might be the last timing belt I ever do on it.

ekxtreem

Are these aftermarket TB repair kits really good?

johnny3

Only joking but these threads get way silly--let's fix our cars.

roof2006

Good to know - I'm planning a vacation there.

aBe 024

OP any updates?

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It's a shitty place to vacation.

TL Luver

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I love azine...lol...

nfnsquared

Bwahahaha. So what if Death Valley reached 134F in 1913? Who gives a rats ass?

Or that NM and AZ reached 122F in 1994...or NV reached 125F that same year (1994)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._st...ature_extremes

99F?? So what? Still doesn't meet the extreme criteria listed in the SM.

I'll say it again: The fact remains that there is not a single inhabited location in North American that meets the extreme criteria listed in the SM (driving regularly in temps 111F or above).

Not only that, but you won't even be able to find a location that averages more than 15 111F (or above) days/year over the last 10 years. Nada, zero, zilch. (I'm going to guess that Phoenix may come close, probably averages between 10 and 15 days/year over 111F). 15 days/year is only 4%, not even close to "regularly".

The "extreme" driving conditions listed in the OM/SM just simply don't exist in North America. Period.

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You still here? I copied and pasted the first thing that came up on google, that's as much time as I'm willing to put into it since you're incapable of comprehending that 111F is not a magical cutoff where the interval goes from around 105k to 60k.

We have some Alaska members on here, they might like to know that very low temps shorten belt life as well. I found around 60 cities not counting any place in Canada with temps below -21, would you like a list lol.

"Regular" might mean 2 days for all you know, stop assuming. I think you should call Honda first thing in the morning and don't stop till you get to the bottom of it.

Do everyone a favor and start including the extreme service interval as you're talking down to people about the mid and the manual as anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand that temperature extremes shorten belt life.

Maybe the mods will allow you to edit all of your previous condescending "follow the mid" rhetoric to include the severe service recommendation for those that live in hot or cold areas. From there people can use this additional information to determine if they should consider changing the belt a little early or maybe under the right circumstances safely exceed the 105k interval or follow the mid.

While some of this is sarcasm in all seriousness it is a bit disturbing that you can't understand or acknowledge that there's no magical cutoff point where the interval is cut from 105k to 60k.

You're welcome, I'm glad I could help.

nfnsquared

Who give a damn about a "cutoff" when it's patently clear that 4% does not come anywhere close to "regular". That goes for cold or hot. Anyone in North America can readily ignore the extreme conditions listed in the SM. Nothing condescending about it, just facts that you apparently can't accept.

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I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were dodging the temp cutoff in order to win an argument and that you understood the concept. It's hard to believe, almost sad you don't get it but that's why you're a follow the manual or die type of guy and there's nothing wrong with that in your case.

nfnsquared

If there is anyone out there who thinks they need to change their timing belt at 60K because 4% of their driving met the "extreme" conditions, have at it!! For these people, it's clear that Darwin has failed the human race and no amount of common sense will prevail.

I hate cars

Don't go off making underhanded personal comments, you've already been banned for it.

Common sense says that if you have to change the timing belt at 60k for >110 degrees, a reasonable person can understand that the belt's life goes down, not down to 60k but down in hot climates whether or not they hit the magical 111F. A reasonable person can figure out that if it hits 111F even once along with many 100-107 degree days you may consider changing early. You may not change it at 60k but you'll probably want to consider replacement slightly early. You can't understand it but most people can.

For the 10th time, you need to include this info so people can make an educated decision, not the usual condescending follow the mid or else crap. Don't worry, I will be around to help you.

ggesq

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SMH.

Thread closed.

OP- if you want- start a new thread with any updates.