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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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Ceramic pads for street driving??

Doing research on pads with less brake dust and it seems like ceramic pads are the way to go. I talked with a couple of shops in my area and everybody has the same opinnion. Ceramic pads are not all that great for regular street driving as it takes too long to heat up for them to be effective under light stopping such as regular street driving. I see here there are a few people using ceramic bads so my question is this: How is your daily driving with ceramic's? Does the car stop safely or are these more track pads. If not ceramic pads the which ones? Looking for low dust with safe stopping.

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Old Apr 16, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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I have Rotora H2 ceramic pads on slotted rotora rotors and love them. I am strickly a street daily driver. If they are bedded correctly then you should have no issues. when they are cold the braking is strong so I'm not worried at all. I bedded mine by doing about 10 runs of 60-10 mph stops, I have extremely low dusting, no noise and excellent bite hot or cold.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 05BlkTL
I have Rotora H2 ceramic pads on slotted rotora rotors and love them. I am strickly a street daily driver. If they are bedded correctly then you should have no issues. when they are cold the braking is strong so I'm not worried at all. I bedded mine by doing about 10 runs of 60-10 mph stops, I have extremely low dusting, no noise and excellent bite hot or cold.

How many miles have you put on this set-up?? How do they look so far, wearing much?
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Old May 16, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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I replaced my stock OEM pads at 25,000 miles on my '04 manual not because of wear (they were doing great in that department) but because the dusting was driving me nuts. I used Rotex Gold Kevlar pads and the dusting dropped between 80-90% (about the same as an automatic TL). Also the little dust that does occur is not black. That was 40,000 miles ago and I still have perhaps another 20,000 miles left on these pads.

As for normal street driving, the Rotex pads are fine and more than acceptable. If you are planning to race your TL or you love the twisties and are aggressive in that area, the Rotex pads are not as good as the OEM pads shipped with the Brembos.
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Old May 17, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 05BlkTL
I have Rotora H2 ceramic pads on slotted rotora rotors and love them. I am strickly a street daily driver. If they are bedded correctly then you should have no issues. when they are cold the braking is strong so I'm not worried at all. I bedded mine by doing about 10 runs of 60-10 mph stops, I have extremely low dusting, no noise and excellent bite hot or cold.
I am getting installed the same setup, in the box of the rotors it said that to bed them in your supposed to brakes easy for the first 500 miles.
Is that true?
It said that is the bed in process.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:08 AM
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I believe bedding the new pads is a series of 45mph to nothing harsh stops. I used this process to clear off the old material since I switched over to ceramics. My car goes 2 weeks without the wheels looking too dirty now and I haven't had any noises. Got duralast gold c-max from autozone and they have lifetime WEAR warranty. For 60 bucks, I can deal with popping out 2 pins to change em every 40K.

For daily driving...they are perfect to me...whether driving city or having to bring the car to a dead stop quickly, I haven't had a problem. When bedding I did notice brake fade once they were HOT...but that was after ten 45mph to 0 stops...that's more like autox heat on the rotors so it was understandable to me.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
I believe bedding the new pads is a series of 45mph to nothing harsh stops. I used this process to clear off the old material since I switched over to ceramics. My car goes 2 weeks without the wheels looking too dirty now and I haven't had any noises. Got duralast gold c-max from autozone and they have lifetime WEAR warranty. For 60 bucks, I can deal with popping out 2 pins to change em every 40K.

For daily driving...they are perfect to me...whether driving city or having to bring the car to a dead stop quickly, I haven't had a problem. When bedding I did notice brake fade once they were HOT...but that was after ten 45mph to 0 stops...that's more like autox heat on the rotors so it was understandable to me.
It's 60 MPH down to about 10 MPH. Do not stop! Do hard stops, just this side of ABS, about 8 of them, then drive the car for 15 minutes at highway speed without using the brakes.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 11:21 AM
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i use slotted/ drilled and ceramic and they are awesome. stops fast!! not hardly any dust, i do have a slight noise while applying the brakes though. i came to the conclusion that its just the ceramic on the rotors.... go for it
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Old May 18, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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Hmm...ok then 60 it is...I'll give that a whirl. I guess I figured the point was hot and grabbing hard to bed the pads.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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i have a lil noise but they stop a lot better than stock brembo pads. im running duralast cmax ceramics gold and brembo slotted rotors.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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^ yeah like when you lightly start to brake from speed its like a clicking type sounds and gets quieter as the car slows..
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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Hmm...ok then 60 it is...I'll give that a whirl. I guess I figured the point was hot and grabbing hard to bed the pads.
different brands say different things, but the biggest no no is actually stopping. once you get them all hot, if you actually stop, especially a hard stop, you will end up depositing uneven amounts of pad on the rotor...which is bad. the goal is to A) burn off the residue from the molds, and B) apply an even layer of pad to the rotors. If you can do it twice with a 15min drive between the better off you will be. And anytime you activate the ABS or feel a shutter in your braking you should really re-do this.

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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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^will do. Thank you for the tip! I was doing it wrong!

Mine had a faint screech at low speed when not applying the brake...just regreased the shims with CRC this weekend and it's gone. I absolutely LOVE Brembo's for their ease of pad changing.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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How many miles have you put on this set-up?? How do they look so far, wearing much?
I have about 2500 miles rough estimate on them. I have extremely low dusting, no noise at all and wearing very well. Nothing on the rotors as far as hot spots or marks go. The bite is excellent cold or hot. I believe in the 60-10 slow down bed method.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bbktl
I am getting installed the same setup, in the box of the rotors it said that to bed them in your supposed to brakes easy for the first 500 miles.
Is that true?
It said that is the bed in process.
Yes the instructions said the same for me but I ignored them. After I did my bed process of 60-10 slowdowns i did take it easy on the brakes or tried to for a little bit. Again no problems have shown up and I am very happy with the results.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 04:28 PM
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Here's a link to two writeups I did in '06 when I replace my stock pads. The first one give some info for the install. The second one corrects the bedding in process I did the first time. As a followup, these pads are quiet and the squeal during backing up is light.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...es#post8574096

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...es#post8610007
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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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oh my squeaking is because i was so happy to rip the car apart and put all new parts on that when i changed the oem brembo pads to the ceramics i didnt take the shims off to put them on the new pads n theres no give in the pads when they are pressed byt he pistons. and i chucked the oem pads out and put them out in the garbage the next morn.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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anyone got shot pads lying around and can hook me up with the shims??? lol
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Old May 19, 2009 | 10:50 AM
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You had to transfer the shims? My new set of ceramics had their own shims! PLUS I added a bit of the crc graphite caliper grease too.

I would have to check my duralast box...can't remember if I put the oem ones in the trash or in the new box.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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yea they have their own shims BUTTTTT.... they dont allow movement for the pads to float. the grease is put inbetween the metal shim n kevlar shim on the new pads (i didnt use OEM brembo pads I used duralast ceramic gold from autozone.) the grease u get in the brembo and duralast box is applied between the metal shim n kevlar or whatever material that is and the same for the brembos it gets applied to the pad and then the shim gets stuck to it....its done like that so that when the pistons press on the pad its not really pressing on the pad its pressing on the pad and shim and giving it a lil play so that it wears unevenly so it doesnt glaze the rotors after a few uses and so it doesnt squeak. i sound like a tractor trailer when i stop for about 3 ft.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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Oh dude...I went with Duralast C-max Gold and you're making me HOPE I didn't throw my stocks away too!

But I'm pretty sure the cermic aftermarket ones came with a kevlar shim that was ON the pad back AND a metal one that went over that. Because I remember putting grease on both sides of that. At least I think I did.

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