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So after buying my air, wheels, and car within a month of each other i was dead broke. Unlike my other purchases i cheaped out on camber/toe arms for the rear. I ended up buying the j power arms for the entire rear (upper, lower camber, lower toe) I began to have wiggling issues. Now i read plenty on the toe situation. Took my car in for alignment and now I'm still dealing with this shit. Someone answer me with knowledge, not opinion.
My logic is that the bushings are too soft, letting my wheel wiggle a tiny bit. am i insane??
let this be a lesson. next time dont blow your whole bank acct on a car payment and all the mods at once, so you'll have leftover money for little fixes like this. car work is usually never perfect the first time, theres usually always something that goes wrong somewhere
let this be a lesson. next time dont blow your whole bank acct on a car payment and all the mods at once, so you'll have leftover money for little fixes like this. car work is usually never perfect the first time, theres usually always something that goes wrong somewhere
Im going through those little "expensive" fixes right now after lowering the car. ugh!
let this be a lesson. next time dont blow your whole bank acct on a car payment and all the mods at once, so you'll have leftover money for little fixes like this. car work is usually never perfect the first time, theres usually always something that goes wrong somewhere
Where was this helpful in the slightest? In my defense I bought these because I have had generic arms in an accord,which had zero issues and judging that it was a similar platform I figured this would be okay. The $200 payment isn't what kills me rather than the down payment, bags and wheels. I didn't say I'm broke now, but before I spend $300+ in camber arms I'd like to hear from someone who has had a similar issue. Luckily I got forwarded to the twisting situation, which I hope solves it.
Where was this helpful in the slightest? In my defense I bought these because I have had generic arms in an accord,which had zero issues and judging that it was a similar platform I figured this would be okay. The $200 payment isn't what kills me rather than the down payment, bags and wheels. I didn't say I'm broke now, but before I spend $300+ in camber arms I'd like to hear from someone who has had a similar issue. Luckily I got forwarded to the twisting situation, which I hope solves it.
If you had done a little reading on this forum, you would have discovered that many folks have the "wiggle" issue with that type of camber arm setup.
But I have good news for you: No need to spend $300. Spend less than $150 shipped and get the SPC camber arms. THMotorsports had the cheapest price I could find, but you can see if Excelerate or Heeltoe will price match. Easy DIY (and you don't have to swap the boots, the new accordian style black boots are good).
We still very much recommend the Ingalls lower arms. If the bushings in these arms fail you will get some "fun" handling. The upper arm is an alternative, but equally flawed solution as the ball joints are known to fail prematurely.
Unfortunately the factory elected not to give camber adjustment in the rear. In the face of that we say the Ingalls 38725 are the best option, and continue to ship many every week.
Really? After all the problems Azine members have reported with the "mushy", ill-fitting bushing on the Ingals?
We sell literally hundreds of these kits a year. We have had very few negative comments on them. Every once in a while someone has a bushing problem and Ingalls has always been quick to send replacements. There are either not as many problems happening as some may perceive, or there are problems but people are reporting it to the wrong place (ie, here, not where the item was bought from).
Both of the above scenarios may be true.
Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Huh? Where are you getting this from? I haven't seen a single report of an SPC ball joint failing....
Personal experienced. We've removed and replaced numerous front and rear ball joints which have failed. It was enough to prompt us to write this aritcle many years ago:
....Personal experienced. We've removed and replaced numerous front and rear ball joints which have failed. It was enough to prompt us to write this aritcle many years ago:
We sell literally hundreds of these kits a year. We have had very few negative comments on them. Every once in a while someone has a bushing problem and Ingalls has always been quick to send replacements. There are either not as many problems happening as some may perceive, or there are problems but people are reporting it to the wrong place (ie, here, not where the item was bought from)....
And interesting that 4drviper's negative review of the Ingalls kit never got posted on your website.....
well it was either the bushing twist issue, or the arm being torqued down too much. I backed the bolt off and re torqued it to 40 pounds. Problem solved. And thanks to acurazine i now know how to handle my own money! see you do learn something everyday, and now i have a valuable life lesson. And i learned that car work isnt perfect!? who would've thought that!!!!
What? That's 4.5 years old and deals with the known issue with the SPC old style boots cracking. That issue has been resolved.
Show me a single instance where the SPC ball joint has failed.
And the boot did not "brake".
I have replaced failed ones. I promise. I guess I don't document everything I have seen and experienced. I feel like I am a credible enough source. You are welcome to disagree or agree as you wish, though.
That said, I just did some product photos of some SPC parts this evening which I do agree have a revised boot design that we know will be more durable. We do expect to be writing a follow up article soon.
Originally Posted by nfnsquared
And interesting that 4drviper's negative review of the Ingalls kit never got posted on your website.....
I never deleted hius review, I just never approved it:
Originally Posted by by Eddie
If you like going on/off highway ramps at faster than posted yellow sign (i.e. 20mph) these bushings won't hold. it will keep flexing thus constantly changing your alignment as your car is in motion.
I contacted ingalls engineering for a fix or solution, hopefully refund.
after 200miles of driving, the alignment issue still persists, and bushings appear (all 8, 4 on each side) off centered (deformed) I'm going to have to get an alignment tech to verify that since my voice has no power because i'm just a silly customer.
Although to quell your notion that some scandal is going on, we do have good reason. Mainly that the Ingalls bushings, for the few problems that were reported anywhere other than in a forum or in an area where we could not do anything about it, had been updated some time ago.
Old on top, latest on the bottom.
Honestly, we refrain from posting all reviews to our site. We have to feel that the content on our website is representative of the product and this one did not. Yelp administers reviews. So does Amazon. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
FWIW, he never decided to come back and tell us what Ingalls did to resolve the situation. I am not seeing it here, either. How can we approve a review that had no resolution?
I have replaced failed ones. I promise. I guess I don't document everything I have seen and experienced. I feel like I am a credible enough source. You are welcome to disagree or agree as you wish, though.
That said, I just did some product photos of some SPC parts this evening which I do agree have a revised boot design that we know will be more durable. We do expect to be writing a follow up article soon.
I never deleted hius review, I just never approved it:
Although to quell your notion that some scandal is going on, we do have good reason. Mainly that the Ingalls bushings, for the few problems that were reported anywhere other than in a forum or in an area where we could not do anything about it, had been updated some time ago.
Old on top, latest on the bottom.
Honestly, we refrain from posting all reviews to our site. We have to feel that the content on our website is representative of the product and this one did not. Yelp administers reviews. So does Amazon. It's nothing out of the ordinary.
FWIW, he never decided to come back and tell us what Ingalls did to resolve the situation. I am not seeing it here, either. How can we approve a review that had no resolution?
Well i just got of the phone with Marcus (mrheeltoe) on a SATURDAY, and he guided me through whats most likely my issue and advised me to run the ingalls.
First, couldn't have asked for more immediate customer service. And not the type of service where they try to make you feel like an idiot. very impressed.
Second, i've learned that ingalls updated the bushings and I'm excited to run the revised product and hope to god it fixes my wiggle issue. I plan to order these tomorrow night, of course through heeltoeauto.com
^^^^ Good luck with that. The "revised" bushings are a clear indication that the original design was flawed.
Will be interested to see if the "revised" bushings are any better.
I'm more than pleased with the SPC arms and I have yet to see anyone provide proof of the SPC ball joints failing, yet there's plenty of proof of the Ingalls original bushings being an inferior design.
Funny how times/things change .. when I did the research in here a few years back I was looking to get the SPC and was told they were sh*t .. get the Ingalls ..
Frankly they are both good kits. We never said either was shit. We sell both, and would stand behind both and depending on the customer's needs might recommend one over the other. We do it all the time. But, one needs to seek out consultation to know that. Not just poke around forums.
We sell, on average, 250 PAIRS of Ingalls camber kits in a year. We sell a couple dozen SPC ones. It makes complete sense that you'd see more blips about the Ingalls since there are so many more out there. That said the failure rate, as reported to us, is well under 1%. That, along with the fact we have TAKEN OFF SPC kits (not a lot, but a couple, granted a long time ago) due to failure of the ball joint (knocking and play) is enough for us to perform a professional opinion based on experience.
No part is guaranteed not to have a problem. Folks in forums like to demonize products that have faults yet do little to improve them by feeding back to the retailers/manufacturers. We'd much rather hear your complaints and have a chance to resolve them before we find threads like the one nfn linked us to.
...We'd much rather hear your complaints and have a chance to resolve them before we find threads like the one nfn linked us to.
So you handled 4drviper's complaints by burying his review? Just asking, because you preach one thing and at least in 4drviper's case, appeared to do exactly the opposite.
So you handled 4drviper's complaints by burying his review? Just asking, because you preach one thing and at least in 4drviper's case, appeared to do exactly the opposite.
I never buried it; I never approved it.
He never complained to us; He complained online.
We did not know who it was who wrote the review. Our review system does not collect user contact information. I had no means of contacting him to resolve the issue. I would have been the first one on the phone with the customer and Ingalls to resolve the issue. This case proves my issue perfectly...if the customer does not contact us with a problem, how are we supposed to fix it.
I am sure it seems like writing a review is "contacting us" but unfortunately that is not the case. Our new site update coming imminently will improve on this such that we can contact customers to both thank them for positive ones and assist those writing negative ones.
Jesstzn, if you are implying that I said "SPC kits are shit," I would take exception to that and would like to see evidence. I have every confidence I would have recommended the Ingalls kit over the SPC and I would have given my reasons why. We would not have called the SPC kit shit.
Burying it implies that it at some point say the light of day. I never made it go away. It was never approved to being with. I just posted it here and on the other thread as well. Full on public knowledge now. We have nothing to hide, but we will not make it part of the content of our site though.
^^^^ Good luck with that. The "revised" bushings are a clear indication that the original design was flawed.
Will be interested to see if the "revised" bushings are any better.
I'm more than pleased with the SPC arms and I have yet to see anyone provide proof of the SPC ball joints failing, yet there's plenty of proof of the Ingalls original bushings being an inferior design.
Well regardless, the ball joint is on the upper arm and my problem is with the lower arms. The upper arm is some generic crap that i plan to replace with spc or whoever when the time comes, but for now its doing okay. I'm confident in ingalls, the updated bushing, heeltoes advice, and a friend of mine who has a similair setup with no issues. But one thing i cant knock on is heeltoes service.
Burying it implies that it at some point say the light of day. I never made it go away. It was never approved to being with. I just posted it here and on the other thread as well. Full on public knowledge now. We have nothing to hide, but we will not make it part of the content of our site though.
OK, fair enough. I'm done busting your balls over this.
