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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 09:45 PM
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Brake problem/ question. Relating to cmax brakes and loads

I have searched and didn't come up with anything.

I replaced my brake pads and rotors with duralast cmax pads and duralast rotors. My problem is the pads seem to overlap the rotors. My mechanic (Honda mechanic for 27years but does sidework at home) thinks it is wrong also. Here is a pic of the pads we took off.



On the left side of the pad you can see that the rotor falls short of the pad. These pads needed to be replaced bc they squeeked very very loud. The rotor itself (autozone duralast part #31354) is what I replaced rotors with and it is the exact same rotor we took off.

Replaced with autozonepart #dgc1049 pad

The pad doesn't cover the whole rotor. It hangs off the top and I'm puzzled by it. Is this the wrong size rotor?

Then on the way home I didn't do anything special but there is a lot of brake noise. Not when applying brake. Just when rolling. Will this go away? Should I do any kind of bed in process already?
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 11:11 PM
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im guessing you have the type s because of the pads your showing me. i think you have a defective brake pads. is the very loud squeek from your brakes is because its carban metallic
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kingkong_dav
im guessing you have the type s because of the pads your showing me. i think you have a defective brake pads. is the very loud squeek from your brakes is because its carban metallic
Yes it's a type s. sorry about that.

The pads that I just took off were duralast golf (not Cmax) they were loud since day one. I replaced with Cmax.no squeak yet but the pads just don't seem to fit right on the rotor. They hang over the outside of the rotor by a good quarter of a inch. On that pic above you can see where he rotor wasn't even touching the pad on the left side and pad is wearing uneven.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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stuck piston maybe?

I have cmaxes too, so i can take a look at whether the pad sticks over the top of the rotor but i have a feeling it doesnt. I dont have any noises while rolling. I wonder if it's possible to put on 5AT rotors on a TL-S/6MT..bolt pattern's the same.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 09:56 AM
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stuck piston maybe?

I have cmaxes too, so i can take a look at whether the pad sticks over the top of the rotor but i have a feeling it doesnt. I dont have any noises while rolling. I wonder if it's possible to put on 5AT rotors on a TL-S/6MT..bolt pattern's the same.
I think autozone gave me non type s rotors. When I look up a tl on their site it gives me the same two options or rotors wether I pick a 3.2 non type s or a 3.5 type s. this Is a huge mistake in their system if that is te case. One rotor has a outside diameter of 300 and the other 309.9

I have the one listed at 300. They were the more expensive ones and the one that my autozone had in stock. Not sure what to do at this point bit I would like to have the proper parts on my car. The noise is Probobly just bc they haven't worn in yet hopefully that goes away.

So for anyone researching this. Autozone has the exact same two rotors in the system wether your car is a 3.2 or a type s.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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it also might be that the 5AT rotors are thicker (iirc they have a greater service limit), so it's going to rub until the pad is worn down enough.

how long ago was this? i bet you can return those rotors since it was their fault.

but yes, i think you have a 5AT rotor on.

5AT is 300mm (11.8"), 6MT/Type S is 12.2" according to a quick google. I'd get that stuff swapped out asap.

you might be able to get away with a new set of pads too, make the excuse that the incorrect rotor already wore the pad down unevenly.

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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ez12a
it also might be that the 5AT rotors are thicker (iirc they have a greater service limit), so it's going to rub until the pad is worn down enough.

how long ago was this? i bet you can return those rotors since it was their fault.

but yes, i think you have a 5AT rotor on.

5AT is 300mm (11.8"), 6MT/Type S is 12.2" according to a quick google. I'd get that stuff swapped out asap.

you might be able to get away with a new set of pads too, make the excuse that the incorrect rotor already wore the pad down unevenly.

Ok this is driving me nuts. Both autozone and advanced have the same rotors listed for type s and non type s. can anyone confirm with me that these two rotors are not or are the same size?
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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Ok it looks like even though its a type s they have the tl 5at listed as a part for it. So I assume tht the 6mt is the rotor I need even though I have a type s
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:21 AM
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PART #: 44309 (duralast)
This is the part number from Autozone that you should have on with Brembos.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 01:02 PM
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maybe it was installed incorrectly?
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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I have duralast cmax pads and duralast rotors on my Type-S, too. Mine is a 5AT, but, my pads definitely don't hang off the rotor.

Also, I have a very annoying squeal under very light braking pressure. Pretty much when I am just near a complete stop and letting up on the brake pedal. I never had any noise when I was running the stock rotors and the cmax pads. I may try a different brand of front pads w/ a different compound.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 01:38 PM
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shoot, for clarification of my previous posts when i mention 5AT i mean "Base" TLs, opposed to Brembo equipped TL-Ss and TL Sports (6MTs)
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 95oRANGEcRUSH
I have duralast cmax pads and duralast rotors on my Type-S, too. Mine is a 5AT, but, my pads definitely don't hang off the rotor.

Also, I have a very annoying squeal under very light braking pressure. Pretty much when I am just near a complete stop and letting up on the brake pedal. I never had any noise when I was running the stock rotors and the cmax pads. I may try a different brand of front pads w/ a different compound.
You may want to look and see if you have te right rotor on bc what your explaining is the exact reason I was buying rotors and brake in the first place. Squeal when I would stop. Mine also had a little vibration going on. The rotors we took off were the wrong ones also. The 31354 duralast rotors are the wrong one for the type s
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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I have the correct rotors. If you look at the pictures of the rotors on the website, the 31354 rotors for the Type-S 5AT have 1 Phillips screw in the rotor top hat. The 44309, for the manual Type-S, have 2 Phillips screws in the top hat. I distinctly remember unscrewing 1 Phillips from the stock rotor top hat and screwing in 1 on the duralast rotor top hat.

Plus, my pads are laying on the face of the rotor correctly. After I initially put the cmax pads and duralast rotors on, I drove like that for a week. The squeal was loud. A week after I changed everything, I took the pads out, regreased the pads, etc. While I had the pads off I checked the wear and everything looked good.

You have a 6MT, Type-S, right? It sounds like you had the smaller diameter, 5AT rotors on your car, hence, why the pads were overhanging. I have a 5AT so I use the smaller rotors.
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 05:22 PM
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All Brembo equipped TL-S and TL Sport (6MT, 04-06) have the same setup. No difference in rotor sizes. Factory brembo rotors have holes for 2 philips screws.

example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACURA-OEM-FA...bee84d&vxp=mtr

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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 95oRANGEcRUSH
I have the correct rotors. If you look at the pictures of the rotors on the website, the 31354 rotors for the Type-S 5AT have 1 Phillips screw in the rotor top hat. The 44309, for the manual Type-S, have 2 Phillips screws in the top hat. I distinctly remember unscrewing 1 Phillips from the stock rotor top hat and screwing in 1 on the duralast rotor top hat.

Plus, my pads are laying on the face of the rotor correctly. After I initially put the cmax pads and duralast rotors on, I drove like that for a week. The squeal was loud. A week after I changed everything, I took the pads out, regreased the pads, etc. While I had the pads off I checked the wear and everything looked good.

You have a 6MT, Type-S, right? It sounds like you had the smaller diameter, 5AT rotors on your car, hence, why the pads were overhanging. I have a 5AT so I use the smaller rotors.

If your car is a type s and you have the smaller rotors on it then from why I have researched, you have the wrong ones just like I have. The pad will just hand a quarter inch or so over the rotor and right now mine sound like garbage. I am surprised a lot more people haven't had this problem considering every autozone and advanced auto will sell you the smaller rotor once you tell them your type a is a auto.
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Old Oct 12, 2012 | 10:05 PM
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In my experience autozone and oreillys have had the wrong information quite a few times. Theyve given me the wrong axles before as well as totally incorrect fluid capacities. Double check your part numbers.
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 09:10 AM
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pads should never overlap the rotor, you have something wrong..
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Old Oct 13, 2012 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 04WDPSeDaN
pads should never overlap the rotor, you have something wrong..

Went back and got the correct rotors.

All is good.


Anyone doing research on autozone duralast rotors. If you have a type s and need rotors just tell them you have a six speed or you will regret it later.
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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xander12
If your car is a type s and you have the smaller rotors on it then from why I have researched, you have the wrong ones just like I have. The pad will just hand a quarter inch or so over the rotor and right now mine sound like garbage. I am surprised a lot more people haven't had this problem considering every autozone and advanced auto will sell you the smaller rotor once you tell them your type a is a auto.
After further research, I retract what I have previously said. You are 110% correct! All Type-S (A/T and M/T) have the 310mm, 12.2" front rotors. Autozone's parts system lists the 310mm rotor for the M/T and the 300mm rotor for the A/T. DO NOT BUY THE A/T rotor for your Type-S!

I went back and bought the M/T rotors and new pads and will be returning and getting a refund on the current rotors and pads.

IF YOU HAVE A TYPE-S, BUY THE M/T FRONT ROTORS! DO NOT BUY THE ONES FOR A/T.
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Old Oct 21, 2012 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 95oRANGEcRUSH
After further research, I retract what I have previously said. You are 110% correct! All Type-S (A/T and M/T) have the 310mm, 12.2" front rotors. Autozone's parts system lists the 310mm rotor for the M/T and the 300mm rotor for the A/T. DO NOT BUY THE A/T rotor for your Type-S!

I went back and bought the M/T rotors and new pads and will be returning and getting a refund on the current rotors and pads.

IF YOU HAVE A TYPE-S, BUY THE M/T FRONT ROTORS! DO NOT BUY THE ONES FOR A/T.
Happy to hear! I bet a lot of people are driving around with the wrong rotors.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by xander12
Happy to hear! I bet a lot of people are driving around with the wrong rotors.
It was great timing that you started this thread as I had bought the wrong rotors and pads at the beginning of August. I had a lot of clicking when hitting my brake pedal and, as it turns out, my pads had already worn just like yours. I had an area of the pad that had not worn at all so I had a lip on the pad surface. The clicking when I hit my brake pedal was the pad rocking on the face of the rotor, making a tapping noise.

The new rotors are clearly larger and the pads are chamfered on both leading edges. The other pads I had were chamfered on one edge only. Luckily, AutoZone refunded me for everything so I actually came out ahead on this situation.

Thanks, Xander!
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Old Nov 7, 2013 | 06:30 PM
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I know this thread is old but thanks for the info. I just purchased the incorrect (300 mm) rotors because autozone still lists the incorrect front roots for the type-S. If you're ordering rotors for your TLS get part #44309
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