Tension

Guys I went to have a oil changed for my engine today when i ran in to pay and came back out the guy done poured 5 quart oil in my engine. What scare me now is normally I only used 4.7 quart of oil for my car and I asked him he said it okay to used 5 qt because it's v6 engine. I went home and check my manual book it said capacity for oil engine is 4.5 quart. Should i come back have and tell them to do it again? Any suggestion is appreciated.

Thanks

Turbonut

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Check the dipstick for oil level. Probably charged you for 5 qts, but maybe only poured 4.5/4.7 into the engine.

HigdonTL05

Its not a problem I always use 5 quarts of oil, but i always change my filter... I have a 05 and it suggests 4.5 too! Once I run it for a couple minutes let it sit then check it the oil is right on point with the max on the dipstick!

HigdonTL05

oh and I also changed my oil today too, so this is pretty fresh in my head

Bearcat94

5 QT should be fine. 4.5 should be right in the middle of the MIN/MAX lines. 5 QT should be at the MAX line.

Assumes you don't burn oil between changes.

sixsixfour

+1

Tension

Yeah it in the max but what you meant by burn oil between change?

Thanks for all the help GUys.

SouthernBoy

Funny.. the dipsticks on both of my TL's ('04 and '05) read full, as in at the MAX line with 4.5 quarts and an M1-104 Mobil 1 filter.

Turbonut

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Same here, full at 4.5 qts. Guess we have different oil pans, or maybe different calibrations on the dipsticks.

vinnier6

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i have changed my oil 4 times now, and 4.5 qts with a new filter always reads right at max on dipstick.....

dont overfill....

vinnier6

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the book aint suggesting 4.5 qts, its stating that your car requires 4.5 qts with a filter change....

HigdonTL05

It also "REQUIRES" you change your oil every 3,000 mi or every 3 months.... its more of a suggestion....

I took a picture of the owners manual and saw something very funny....


look at step 9 -last sentence i guess my engine is different from yours....

vinnier6

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my book doesnt say anything about changing the oil every 3k miles or 3 months....either did my last 5 cars....

yea, the if necessary part is for thoes who cant figure out how to get 4.5 qts of oil in there....and that is always the rule, top off if needed...

Bearcat94

Possible difference in filters? I am using the Honda S2K filter which has approx 7% - 8% more volume than the std TL/TL-S filter (not counting whatever media differences).

Regardless, I put in 4.5 qts after a good drain and it's pretty much deadnuts between the MIN/MAX fill lines.









Where does it say that? I though it said, basically, "follow the MID."?

eluzion

I always pour in about 4.3-4.4qts with a new filter and it's at the max line (K&N filter though). Filter volume can probably change it some though.

jdmitr22

i do 5qts..fill the filter up with almost half quart before i put it on..so 4.5 go in the car

HigdonTL05

^^^^I also do the same thing^^^^

What Ive noticed on this website is that everyone does things differently!!! It may not be the way you or someone else does it but it doesnt make it wrong...

VINNIER6 and Bearcat94 I was being sarcastic when i said 3,000 mi or every three months... on a side note then how does the MIR determine when to change, TIME or MILES???

and all the picture was stating that if you put in the REQUIRED 4.5 quarts, why would step 9 even be listed...Sorry if i offended anyone

eluzion

Neither. It's based on driving conditions afaik. Mine was showing < 15% at slightly over 6,000 miles and those miles included driving from Washington state to Mississippi (3,400 miles). Mostly cruising 90mph on the freeways, occasional "spirited" runs up to 130+, and driving around random cities trying to find a good place to eat (including getting my car towed in El Paso, TX, haha).

HigdonTL05

the real reason i asked is that i just changed with Mobil 1 15,000 syn!!!! do you see how i would be confused if it asked me to change at 6,000????

Spiritman

Me too, me too! I always change (every 6 months) both oil and filter. I ALWAYS use 5 quarts. Never had any trouble from this. I asked the mechanic. at Acura. He said that the extra 1/2 quart was "Not enough to worry about" Also that the level of the oil in the pan wouldn't hardly change with just 1/2 quart more. So there.....

Bearcat94

Answer above is correct. It's some algorithm based on RPM, Temp, Time, other factors ().

You will "confuse" the MID with 15,000 mile oil - it'll count same as before.

There is a note in the Owners Manual about using Synthetic and/or High Mileage oils. It says something like: You can use them, but you must still follow the MID for Oil Change Intervals to maintain your warranty. Seriously. It's BS, but that's what it says (in so many words).

HigdonTL05

gotcha i keep track of when i change them in my handy dandy owners manual

SouthernBoy

Gentlemen;

I am not hyjacking this thread. This question is closely related to the OP's subject.. I just wanted to throw it out to get other members' opinions.

When I purchased my '04 manual TL in July of '04, the spec books at the local auto parts stores listed the Mobil 1 replacement filter to be the M1-104. They also made mention of the M1-110 as an alternate.

In the last several years, the M1-104 recommendation has disappeared from these books and also from Mobil's website. A few weeks ago, I called Mobil and talked to someone about this and they said that the M1-110 was the recommended filter but that the M1-104 could also be used. So my question is this.

What is your opinion between these two filters and why?

Turbonut

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Sorry to say a filter is a filter. I know all the mumbo-jumbo about cardboard, number of pleats, can size, etc, but I'll ask once again, how many know of an engine that went south due to a poor oil filter? Subject is just too subjective.

Turbonut

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Thought I'd add, check the diameter of each. Itried to fing the dimensions quickly on the net, but no success. I know Mobil 1 changed the sizes/applications because the filters were too large of a diameter and the exhaust was cooking the oil in the filter while at extended idle, though not on an Acura.

HigdonTL05

I believe the 104 is a tad bigger then the 110 i maybe wrong, but thats like some members who use a s2k oil filter its a bigger filter.

SouthernBoy

Yes, the M1-104 has more girth (wider) than the M1-110. Basically what I am concerned about is two things. Filtering ability and oil pressure. Filtering is directly related to the filtering material; it's weave and surface area. Oil pressure can be affected by this material and also by the bypass valve. Clearly, Mobil recommends the M1-110 for the 3G TL. Just curious to get some opinions, that's all.

SouthernBoy

That wasn't the salient point of my question.

Bearcat94

I won't be able to answer your question precisely, but offer a little bit of histroy and speculation on why the fitment went from M-104 to M-110.

In the 2G TL/CL the Mobil match to the Honda OE filter was the M-104. Also, when initially launched (and still in some Honda/Acura parts guides) the original Honda filter was 15400-PLM-A01.

Sometime into the 3rd Gen production, Honda changed to the PLM-A02, which is a slightly smaller (volume-wise) and narrower version of the PLM-A01. I believe this is when the fitment guides began showing the M-110 as THE correct filter.

Whether or not the M-104 was a "match" to the PLM-A01 or simply carried over from the previous fitment guides, I don't know. But, like the M-104 v M-110, the PLM-A01 v the PLM-A02, there is a similar difference in "girth", with the newer filters being narrower.

My personal opinion is that Honda wanted to get all current mass-market/high volume cars on to single filter - the 15400-PLM-A02 - for cost savings, inventory control and simplicity. I do not think there was any over-riding engineering concern, etc. I think it was 100% manufacturing/cost effeciency.

What that would mean is that any previously specified filter (M-104, PLM-A01, etc) would work and fit properly, but was not the "recommeded" filter.

More to your question: I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most cloesly matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004.

If I were to run a Mobil filter, I'd probably choose the M-104 for the slight increase in volume (and presumably media volume/surface area) and be willing to assume that the bypass pressure is similar between the two.

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SouthernBoy

Bearcat94;

A most succinct and lucid explanation.. but then again, I would have expected something like this from you, sir.

I suspected as much but wanted to get someone else's take on it. I have heard the concerns of the M1-104 filter begin dangerously close to, and even in line for, hitting the A-arm under extreme suspension travel, but a careful examination seems to reveal that this may not occur. So I suppose I'll continue to use this filter for both of my 3G TL's afterall.

Once again, thanks for a fine answer.

Bearcat94

There is a thread around here where someone did break an over-sized filter in just such a manner. I don't know exactly which filter that was.

I will see if I can find it later, but am in the middle of changing my rotors & pads back to stock (just taking a short beer break - ).

Turbonut

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You asked what the difference was, so I assumed you were speaking of filtering quality as that seems to be everyone's concern, so I responded accordingly, no realizing that wasn't your major concern. Didn't realize you were actually asking about the difference in length, diameter, number of pleats, capacity, etc.

Contrary to previous post, my understanding is that the A01 and A02 filters are the same size, but different manufacturers, A01 being Filtech and A02 being Honeywell/Fram, so still not certain as to why Mobil changed their designation. I guess the best way to resolve this dilemma is to acquire both filters and take some measurements, externally as well as internally, then you'll be able to tell us.

jweb12

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Sorry to get off topic, but didn't you just install those rotors and pads recently? If so, something go wrong that you need to switch back to stock? Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else.

SouthernBoy

The visual difference in these two filters is significant in terms of size. The M1-110 does appear to be "Mobil's match" of the stock OEM filter. And I would bet that Bearca94's assessment is the correct one as to why Mobil made the switch. I suppose I could better frame my question by saying that I was more concerned about any actual (as in internal) differences there might be between these two offerings. Things like filtering ability, resistance to flow, bypass valve spring pressure, and the like.

Turbonut

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Can't find info on the M1-110, but you might want to read about the M1-104 as it appears to be the same as the Bosch and STP with a different label:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml

Bearcat94

Yeah, I swapped them for a track event, but the OE Rotors and Pads still have useful life, so I swapped them back in. And I'm a cheap bastard.

jweb12

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Haha. Maybe I'm a cheap bastard too but I would have done the same thing.

donc

"I've chosen the Honda OE filter that most closely matches the design and size of the filter originally spec'd for my car. My original spec was 15400-PLM-A01; I currently use the s2k filter 15400-PCX-004."
Bearcat94,
I just looked at my filter collection - 05 S2000 and 07 TL-S - and I'm amazed that you would run the PCX vice the PLM filter. The PLM just fits into the gasket area of the PCX. My take is that Honda determined that the PLM filter was adequate for the 3.5 engine to the degree there would be no warranty issues.

Bearcat94

I assume you're talking about the 15400-PLM-A02 - the newer, narrower filter?

The old PLM-A01 filter was 1/8th inch smaller OD than the s2k filter, same height.

The PLM-A02 has also been found to be suitable for (All of which previously used the PLM-A01):

http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/...1=&inputstate=

As well as virtually every Honda model going back the at least one generation (Accords, CRV's, Odessey's, Ridgeline's, Civic's, Fit's, Element's, etc). All except the S2000.


IOW - the PLM-A02 was a mass substitute for nearly the entire Honda/Acura automotive/light truck line. Why? Engineering concerns? Unlikely, the substitution is too broad; too many engines, applications, etc. Cost is a much more likely reason, IMHO.


I am no expert and have no inside knowledge. I put the peices of the puzzle together in the way that made sense to me. I could be dead wrong. You (and others) have to decide on which filter is best for you.

Piotr_W

Who gave you this answer. This is bullshit. Too much oil can damage your engine.
http://acuraoilchange.com/
http://acuraoilchange.com/Images/oil%20info.pdf