Ok, first, I have searched, searched, and then searched some more. The most common answer I find is to, guess what... search. It's ridiculous to me that people won't answer a question. I know it may be beaten to death, but if you must tell people to search, how about at least reference one related post.

Anywho, I have a few questions...I see the comptech supercharger makes 4 -4.5 lbs of boost normally I believe...what method of tuning does comptech include?

I know Hondata has a reflash to solve some surging, but its not available yet apparently, or at least not on their website.

I always hear that tuning is the problem with a turbo. Why? I don't understand the fundamental difference in tuning a supercharged versus a turbo motor. If you can tune one, why not the other?

I see some people use the e-manage ultimate. The last post I could find mentioned only the a/f ratio and not the ability to modify ignition timing. Has this been resolved?

Thanks guys!

 

Spec on S/C: Comptech makes a full bolton kit, some guys have used the suplied tuning from comptech a couple others have used the greddy emanage to get a custom tune

Status on turbo: NO BOLTON KITS AVAILABLE, tuning will most likely be done via a greddy emanage aswell

 

until the hondata flash/upgrade is finalized, i'm gonna stay away from any forced induction. unless i find a cheap block and i lower the compression ratio. 11:1 is a little scary for forced induction. especially with the comptech acm. just my opinion. i have a turbo and a setup i'm willing to build myself, the lack of a spare lower half and the cost of custom fi pistons... time to fabricate pipes... it's just too much since the car is my daily driver

 

Most of the posts said that tuning was the main issue...has this been solved and now its only a matter of someone actually making a turbo kit? Everyone says it won't work for some reason...what exactly is the Comptech ACM and how does it work?

 

Theres alot of stuff involved in the tuning area besides just an available ecu/acm...

also, atleast in my opinion... fitting a turbo and all the pipes in will be a challenge .... the Twin Turbo TL thread shows pics of an accord with a TT, but i still think getting a turbo or two in the TL might be a challenge... plus, running high boost + high hp would murder the TL's reliability...

 

If you've read all those post why don't you ALREADY understand that NOBODY can use eManage to "tune" a TL on a turbo? You reference it like someone has? The ONLY people who have even ATTEMPTED to use eManage are a few supercharger guys and they aren't getting very far AT ALL. There is a DISTINCT difference between this ECU and EVERY OTHER ECU out there (including the Honda). Nobody has a turbo because NOBODY can program a TL ECU to take advantage of a turbo setup. SHESH! How dense do you have to be to read all that stuff and STILL not get it? The mods here ought to BAN the word TURBO until someone can PROVE that they can tune a TL.

 

No need for that tone dickhead. You are one of the problems with this forum apparently. As I stated, no one ever ANSWERS the question, they simply say search, or why can't you figure it out. After sifting through all the shit people post saying you can't tune a turbo, I was under the impression that the e-manage WAS working for the supercharged crowd, and that apparently there is another method, i.e the ACM, which I've still yet to find a good amount of info on. In other words, why are the superchargers able to be tuned, but not the turbo. Does that make sense? Is it a function of the ecu pulling timing, or adding too much fuel? If so, why would it only do it to a turbo and not a supercharger. THAT is what doesn't make sense to me.

 

After some more searching and rereading, I find that ndabunka appears to have this tone alot in any thread related to turbos. However, I've yet to find one constructive statement he's ever made, save for a reference to the wiring for the e-manage. I see he says there are no basemaps available, so that leads me to believe it WILL work, however, his recommendation is to either wait for someone to make them, or post them for everyone else. Sounds like he is the one that is waiting for someone to do all the work, lol.

ndabunka, you've mentioned that experienced tuners are not able to tune a turbo TL, but you list none that have attempted. You also mention that no one has attempted to, at least to your knowledge . Isn't that a bit circular? An experienced tuner can't tune a configuration successfully, but no one has made a turbo config yet. The only other post you made about the e-manage is when you say you know the answer but won't say it.
How helpful.

So, to anyone that is actually USING the e-manage, what are the issues currently? Also, to users of the ACM, can anyone explain its function, and apparent inability to be used with a turbo as opposed to a supercharger?

 

Screaming - At least I got you to actually READ some of that stuff. I've got over 1,500 posts in here. You've got what, 50? That does not make you stupid. it just means that you are (most likely) un-informed. No problem. We all have to start somewhere. Seems to me like you don't TRULY understand the minor differences in air injection techniques. The VERY basic premise is that the turbo's air is constantly fluctuating (each pedal position represents differing mixtures). Whereas, the S/C ALWAYS has the EXACT same (or close enough) mixture. Thus, you can tune a S/C (to some extent) whereas you cannot tune a turbo.

But hey, I am not the turbo/air undiction wizard. There are post by MANY MANY other guys that do this stuff on a daily basis. One guy has a 10-second camaro who laid it all out in at least one (or five) of those turbo threads. If you think my tone is consistent...it IS. That is intentional. As you can see from those threads, your question has already been asked and answered by the 15 guys before you that asked the EXACT SAME questions and often even had the same underlying logic..."why not". In the end, it ALWAYS came down to the same answer...they simply did not know crap about what they were stating was possible... Only a lot of "what ifs" and NONE of them had the time, money or resources to carry ANYTHING forward.

The point is... this has all been discussed before. You may not LIKE reviewing all the prior details but guess what... that's what you are going to HAVE to do to get ANYWHERE. Just do a little background research and quit trying to get everything the "easy way" by having others "hand it to you". They can't hand something to you that doesn't yet exists...

I just hope a mod sees this going off (again) and closes this thread before everythign is repeated AGAIN... Argh!

 

Ok, I see it's better to just ignore your posts. I remember another post someone made about you and your "can't be done attitude."

First, your notion of the difference between the two forced induction methods is a bit off. You have to account for load, or you would not be taking into account the higher timing tables, leading to detonation. If you are successfull in tuning a supercharged motor, then you would be successfull in tuning a turbo'd one. All an engine is is an air pump.

Now, on the otherhand, if the comptech ACM isn't using any intelligent method of fuel or timing maps, and simply using a modifed voltage so it doesn't run lean, and perhaps a typical timing retard above a certain rpm, then I perhaps see the reason. That would also make sense as to why you can only go SO far in boost application on the supercarged version, as stock injectors and stock fueling will only get you so far.

What I have yet to find the answer to, even through searching is, WHAT the ACM is actually doing. Also, does the ACM do anyting for part throttle tuning, or simply WOT?

You have made it clear that you are not the turbo/induction wizard and that is fine. However, just because you accept the answer "it can't be done, so just wait" without understanding the WHY NOT behind the answer, doesn't mean everyone does, and that shows why you will NEVER be the turbo/induction wizard you wish people would think you are.

 

It's not a "can't do attitude". It's called REALITY! Well, I think you have your head up your arse if your not seeing all the efforts others have put into this (before you). Others tried it. Failed. Others proposed it, never followed through. Others "promised it" and never came through.

I have a fairly solid programming background with monitoring devices via electronic capture solutions (I own the copyrights to 2 separate programs used in the testing industry). I've used products from a company call National Instruments to collect data many cars guys have never considered. I own custom programming software that can develop and compile applications that can be run on any computer (Unix, Mac, PC, Handhelds, etc). I haven't used any of that stuff in over 5 years but could easily break it all back out and start doing some real analysis on this stuff via a custom harness. I'm also older and have a family and business (developing solutions like..... TV services on cellphones that your just now seeing at CES). These things mean far more to me that wasting any more time on you or such a trivial (yet difficult) venture. It's just not worth it in my case (i.e. can't pay the bills and I'd rather be playing golf in daylight hours). Others said they could do it with eManage and I am STILL looking for someone/ANYONE who keep promising that it can be done to....well, to actually do SOMETHING with it.

You state over and over that you don't understand but then you "claim" to understand better than I. That's quite alright with me. Why don't you pick up the banner and DO SOMETHING about it. Show us your invoice for the eManage software. Show us your investment in the turbo gear. Start DOING something and stop gripping on this forum about it. I am not your enemy. I would LOVE to see someone succeed at this endeavor. Heck, if you were successful, I may be a client of your software and/or solution. So, be careful about who you call a dickhead... It's far more likely you were simply looking in the mirror when you said it...

 

excuse me but "Jesus Christ", you guys sound like you want to fight each other....chill out please! We are all A.zinerz! Cant we just all get a long.....hehe...thought I'd add some humor to the maylay! So..... what did you guys get for Christmas? LOL

 

Here's a start. Buy this one and then the harness and then...

https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/sold-fs-greddy-e-manage-ultimate-382346/

 

You know, I'm sure there is some way it can all be done, from pipe routing to tuning; it just comes down to money. Want it done? Poney up the money to get it done. Don't ask why not, don't argue, don't anything...shut up, open your wallet, get it done, come back and say "Tada, look what I did!". So short of seeing a finished product and the details as to how it was accomplished, anything anyone needs to know has been discussed ad nauseum.

 

It can be done of course. I could take the old Felpro FAST system out of the Buick and probably run the TL on it but there would be waaaaay too many compromises to getting rid of the stock computer.

I think the tuning would be no worse with a turbo than a supercharger but keep in mind the supercharger tuning is aweful. I mean, come on , crushing the FPR to give more pressure? I'm sure if you used the same type of "tuning" they use for the supercharged TLs they would work just as good (or bad) with the turbo. If nothing else you would pick up power from a lower charge air temp and no drag from the supercharger at the same boost level. It's just that the TL's compression is too high for any real boost, it's FWD, there's no "real" tuning available, and it would compromise other areas of the car anyway.

I have to say I'm not sure where some people are assuming a turbo automatically runs high boost as some have eluded to.

 

Every turbo thread turns out this way.....

Someone should create a sticky with all of the real info so we don't have to go through all this dribble everytime the topic is raised.

 

EXACTLY!