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I have a 2005 TL and I was wondering if the front 4-piston calipers from the 07-08 Type S will
fit on the car without any changes. I have the type s wheels so I’m not worried about the caliper fitting with the wheel. More so if the caliper will fit on the brackets in the wheel assembly
I have a 2005 TL and I was wondering if the front 4-piston calipers from the 07-08 Type S will
fit on the car without any changes. I have the type s wheels so I’m not worried about the caliper fitting with the wheel. More so if the caliper will fit on the brackets in the wheel assembly
no, the brembos mount differently.
if you got 800-900 bucks to spend could do rl swap
the Brembo setup is a lot smaller, but keeps the correct brake bias.
The pad choice for the RL Advics is also not all that great. If you're one of these people who will buy some boring low dust pad anyway, then maybe this doesn't matter.
If you do go with the RL calipers, make sure you get the 12.8" setup from fatfour. The 12.6" rotor setup from other places doesn't work properly. You'll want the rotor for a 2006ish 350Z with "track pack".
The USDM Advics setup is also hideous (the JDM one looks better because it doesn't have ACURA embossed on it). The JDM Legend ones are easily available.
Again though...the Brembo is a way better setup in terms of brake feel and pad choice.
I personally drive a 6mt type s and a 07 base model with the advics set up. From how it feels from a driver stand point, my base model seems to stop quicker. There are so many more variables like pads/rotor set up.. but this is my opinion.
I personally drive a 6mt type s and a 07 base model with the advics set up. From how it feels from a driver stand point, my base model seems to stop quicker. There are so many more variables like pads/rotor set up.. but this is my opinion.
Lol...I have a million questions.
Anyway, maybe the scope here is to just do the mod for looks.
If you don't care how the brakes will work in a panic stop, or how the actual brake performance is affected...then...the simplest answer is...
The Advics setup is bigger and cheaper. Its also more easily available.
Feel free to ask any questions. I've done hard braking with the Advic set up with no issues and have been running them for some time now.
Originally Posted by Tyrone503
I personally drive a 6mt type s and a 07 base model with the advics set up. From how it feels from a driver stand point, my base model seems to stop quicker. There are so many more variables like pads/rotor set up.. but this is my opinion.
What do you mean it seems to stop quicker?
What tyres are on both cars? Were you in the same type of environment? Did you measure any of the stops?
What pads are used on both setups?
How is the pedal feel for both setups?
Again, I don't mean any offense. But everything you said so far is just subjective. "seems to stop faster". "no problems so far". None of this can be quantified.
Someone at Acura quantified that a much more expensive Brembo setup would be more beneficial from a performance standpoint. A lot of that would relate to brake bias, pedal feel, ABS actuation, etc. Its all been optimized.
Why didn't they just slap the Advics kit on to the TL at Acura and market it as "should be fine, no problems. stops faster IMO". Would that make you confident?
My experience with the Advics setup is on a 1G TSX.
Pros:
It looked great!
Cons:
No good pad choices. Almost all choices were ceramic, but I was able to find 1 or 2 semi metallic options. Carbotech made track/autocross pads, but those aren't commercially available and they're pricey. I think they made a performance street pad? Not sure.
It felt way too front heavy in bias. The rear pads barely got used and the brakes seemed to heat up way too quickly.
Panic stops did not feel confident. The car sat on its nose like only 2 wheels were doing the stopping.
Pedal feel was mushy. Duh. I never changed the master cylinder. A CRV/RDX/RL master cyl would likely work better. But I doubt the EBD/ABS programming would be compatible, however.
I'll also point out that the brake line fitting on the RL is a taper fitting and not a straight fitting. By using the stock TL banjo bolt, you are deforming the caliper. #seemssafe
You can adapt the RL hardline, I'm sure. But it would take some fabbing up.
I know this isn't really a tech heavy forum and most people fell asleep by now. But look at the list above. As I said a few times....if you're doing this for looks...they work fine.
Anyway...
I went back to stock brakes. These cars use the brakes for AYC and traction control. The ABS/EBD programming assumes stock piston sizing. The brake biasing assumes stock brake sizing.
I sold the RL brakes to a friend and let him know that this setup was great for LOOKS. But not beneficial for function.
Track use is not relevant for this thread - the OP hasn't asked any questions to allude to track use. But I'm leaving the info here.
It did not feel like it would work on a track on a car with as many electronic dependencies as a TSX/TL. If you could bypass a lot of that and manually tune brake bias, then...yes. These are cheap and they have HUGE thermal mass.
The bracket only attached them with a couple threads. So using high torque race pads may cause failures. Not sure how you get around that. If you were using it for track use, I would strongly suggest doing some calculation on the bracket itself.
Summarization?
The Brembo is significantly less work and cost if you're concerned with safety/function.
If the Advics are cheaper/easier then you are not worried about any of that and are just after looks.
Last edited by BROlando; Dec 29, 2021 at 11:24 AM.
Anyway, maybe the scope here is to just do the mod for looks.
If you don't care how the brakes will work in a panic stop, or how the actual brake performance is affected...then...the simplest answer is...
The Advics setup is bigger and cheaper. Its also more easily available.
Originally Posted by BROlando
What do you mean it seems to stop quicker?
What tyres are on both cars? Were you in the same type of environment? Did you measure any of the stops?
What pads are used on both setups?
How is the pedal feel for both setups?
Again, I don't mean any offense. But everything you said so far is just subjective. "seems to stop faster". "no problems so far". None of this can be quantified.
Someone at Acura quantified that a much more expensive Brembo setup would be more beneficial from a performance standpoint. A lot of that would relate to brake bias, pedal feel, ABS actuation, etc. Its all been optimized.
Why didn't they just slap the Advics kit on to the TL at Acura and market it as "should be fine, no problems. stops faster IMO". Would that make you confident?
I've never measured stopping distance side by side on a track, So I can't give you a definitive answer.
My type s are on Yokohama Advan sport A/S
Base model are on Federal 595 SS
Pedal feel is more softer on the type s as compared to my base.
Brake pad w/ the Advics are the Centric posiquiet semi-metallic
Brake pad w/ brembos are Hawk performance HPS (D1049)
As for your last statement, I don't know what you're getting at. I'm not marketing the pads/caliper setup myself, only sharing my opinion and experience with them.
I've never measured stopping distance side by side on a track, So I can't give you a definitive answer.
My type s are on Yokohama Advan sport A/S
Base model are on Federal 595 SS
Pedal feel is more softer on the type s as compared to my base.
Brake pad w/ the Advics are the Centric posiquiet semi-metallic
Brake pad w/ brembos are Hawk performance HPS (D1049)
As for your last statement, I don't know what you're getting at. I'm not marketing the pads/caliper setup myself, only sharing my opinion and experience with them.
Originally Posted by Tyrone503
Let me know if you want my rotor set up, tire size, type of brake fluid, brand of brake fluid, and tire pressure too.
In your case, the Advics may have seemed to stop better due to the brake pad configuration.
The HPS is a ceramic pad...so...its not going to feel so great in terms of stopping power.
The pedal being softer is evidence that the piston sizing is way too big.
I know you're just sharing your opinion/experience...but there's a few things you're not really factoring.
I guess my objection was mainly to other posters that stated the Advics is simpler or cheaper and "just as good".
Its none of the above. It doesn't even properly fit.
A brake engineer at Acura packaged the Brembo setup to optimize brake feel and performance. The various modules in the car (ABS/VSA/EBD) were all programmed to work with the Brembo setup. If the Type S modules are the same as base model, then they obviously engineered it to all work harmoniously.
NOBODY is taking those steps to ensure the Advics work properly. They're just being slapped on and looked at. Imagine how much trouble you'd need to go thru to properly engineer in the Advics.
If you wanted to ensure they work properly...the Brembo is miles ahead in terms of cost/simplicity. Unless the installer is a brake engineer with access to test equipment?
if you got 800-900 bucks to spend could do rl swap
More like half that amount. If you wait until your car needs brake pads & rotors, you only have to factor in the additional cost of the calipers and the brackets. So, $370.
I went the Advic route...shaved down the Acura and replaced it with some high heat vinyl stickers. 12.8" 350z rotors and EBC redstuff pads. I've had no problems with the setup, and it's got pretty good stopping power. I wanted this setup more for the looks over the actual performance, although the added performance over the base calipers was a plus.
the Brembo setup is a lot smaller, but keeps the correct brake bias.
The pad choice for the RL Advics is also not all that great. If you're one of these people who will buy some boring low dust pad anyway, then maybe this doesn't matter.
If you do go with the RL calipers, make sure you get the 12.8" setup from fatfour. The 12.6" rotor setup from other places doesn't work properly. You'll want the rotor for a 2006ish 350Z with "track pack".
The USDM Advics setup is also hideous (the JDM one looks better because it doesn't have ACURA embossed on it). The JDM Legend ones are easily available.
Again though...the Brembo is a way better setup in terms of brake feel and pad choice.
Other than buying the new calipers, pads, and the 350z 12.8 rotors, what else would I need to buy to complete the job? Do I needs new brake lines or more fluid?
