Opel

sure sure..$1000's on testing and planning.... that stuff has already been developed...all ur doing is cutting out a piece of it in the shape of the gasket...please lets not go there now.

I know what the shuttle uses, but thanks for the re-entry pre-caution lessons ......serioulsy, did you think i was referring to ceramic tiles you buy at home depo, for ur nice bathroom floor?

a lot of things are simple "figure of speech", but im not even gonna argue anything with you...i know ill piss you off and the only way for u to get to me is, ban me from the forum...but anyway...you're right

SHaFT7

maybe this has already been posted, but you guys to realize that you can gain or lose more than 5hp just with the freaking weather right? doing a mod that gains or a collection of mods that gain less than 20hp (tested the right way, with the hood down during the dyno) is only good for one thing: your e-peen.

I hate cars

LOL Very true.

Opel

nah man, thats not possible...now that we have the "SPACERS and special THERMOBULLSHIT gaskets" roflllll

I hate cars

I'm not trying to say anything bad about Excelerate. He just sells the stuff.

I've worked in a CNC shop. Most of the time goes to writing the program and running a few tests before going to the final product. Then you have to set the slab or sheet of aluminum up on the table to have it machined. Not hard but it does take a little time.

This piece is extremely easy and quick to make. I'm sure there's one setup of a block of aluminum, push the start button and it probably makes no less than 5 of them from a single block with no human intervention. It could be a 4 table machine and make 20 at once. Really, once the programs are written, the labor involved is nothing. The main cost is tool replacement which probably happens every 10,000 units.

We did CNC porting of some 4 cylinder Honda heads. Set them up, push the start button and 15 minutes later clean them up and sell for a 10,000% profit. Nothing wrong with that but I don't buy that these spacers cost more than $15 max to make and most of that is the raw material. Keep in mind the aluminum filings that get machined off get recycled.

Excelerate

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I don't have time to respond to every one of your posts but I will respond to this one. Have you looked at the 8th generation Civic? I'm assuming you haven't b/c if you do you would notice there isn't much room at all. I happen to also own a 07 Civic Si that is supercharged running 9 psi and the engine bay gets heated very quickly. It got heated very quickly even without the the supercharger. In fact there is a metal plate that runs over almost half of the motor to keep the heat from the exhaust manifold away from the plastic shroud and keep it in the engine bay. So your claim that there is no comparison is unfounded.

I just can't figure you guys out. You guys clamor for dynos; then when I provide dynos you clamor for real world experience. If I gave you 500 claims that ppl felt a butt dyno gain you would say the gains are in their head, but I gave you dyno and information from different resources and its BS. In fact, I gave you independent dynos which have been replicated numerous times over showing a power gain; I gave you a dyno of a 3rd gen TL showing 5 whp and 8 ft lbs of tq. I'm just amazed that someone than can try to be so informative to the community can be so narrowminded.

Excelerate

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You guys need to stay on topic. Is it the performance or the cost? Every TB spacer I have seen made by manufacturers other than P2R cost more.

Airaid, Helix, Powerspacer, etc all have a market value of $90-$100 whereas P2R's spacer is $70. Look at Outlaw Engineering. He sells two pieces of plastic and some paper gaskets for over $100.

And even if P2R was making a high profit margin on each of these spacers does it really matter? They are still cheaper than most other spacer manufacturers. P2R has to cover all their expenses and make profit and then their dealers have to cover theirr expenses and make some profit. Do you think the companies you work for don't make money? Do you think their profit margin is 5%? Do you like your paycheck? Suppose I say all the services you guys provide are worth $3 to me so does that mean you should make $3/hr? I mean I said your services aren't worth that much so it must be true, right?

davewhodavedunn

Good point, and I understand what your saying but I still find $110 for it is pretty steep, Like I stated, if it was cheaper or you could send me one to try to prove all these people wrong, I would do it, with an open mind. I am always willing to try new things....

Opel

EXR8.... do you own and drive a 3g tl everyday? .....when you do, let me know, and then we will talk...i think its become more of a personal issue, rather than the product backing up the claims....you didnt design it, and have no engineering expertise on such, therefore everything you claim about it, is nothing but the claims stated from the manufacturers themselves, which is something that everyone has access to. just like when they claim about filters and intake systems improving performance and mpg? how on earth can you increase power in a motor through induction, but reducing fuel consuption? how?????? the only way i know is, that would improve fuel consumption and release HP...reduce drag from the motor. but im pretty sure you advertise that as well...just like the manufacturers do, and the poor ppl believe it too

i find it very funny how you ingored everything else i said, and decided to respond to the civic bay vs. TL bay.

anyway...im done with this. i dont care if ppl buy the spacers, or dont buy the spacers.... we try and give you the real link to the real problem. but its ignored, because a dyno showing few hp increase is such a powerful manipulating weapon, and has ppl by the balls.
funny how while i had the fans blowing on top of the motor, for some reason, each pull showed more power, back to back, no cool downs, 4 times in a row....i just wonder!!! hmmmm could the same thing happen while gaskets are being tested? OF COURSEEEE

so you see, on a dyno, you can maintain and improve, by not even doing any power gaining mods in between runs. yet, after each pull, its supposed to get worse..but no, because its not real world, running through a 90+ degree weather, in shit humidity

dont worry about quoting me on this...i simply no longer care about proving anything else

davewhodavedunn

everyone let's chill EXCELER8 is just doing his job...and like I said, if he gave me the opportunity to TRY the product I would install and review it and come back with some results with an open mind. It's up to you EXCELERATE...I am willing to put your product to the test...you let me know...thanks

davewhodavedunn

does removing all the plastic from the engine bay do anything for cooling for real?

what about cutting out the top part above the acura emblem, the cheap mesh material?

rockyfeller

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I have been reading your posts for years and I know you are very opinionated. You have good reason, I don't deny at all that you are knowledgeable, much more than me. Even so, I must say just based on my personal unscientific experience (butt dyno as you call it) that while I agree with you on many posts on many threads on many topics, I definitely disagree with you on others....No I don't have any graphs etc. to show you and I know it doesn't hold water for any of your arguments. I don't even mean to challenge your statements at all. However I am glad I was never discouraged by the nay-sayers. I meet a lot of people who chicken out on mods based on a lot of AZine advice.

Every time I get in a bone-stock TL (I have done this a few times. I have 3-4 friends who have stock TLs) I realize the DEFINITIVE difference in the character in which my car drives. It is SO much faster off the line, it really pulls at mid-rpm. And when they drive my car and their neck snaps they say "WOW!!! What did you do to the car??" My car doesn't even drive or feel like a TL anymore, it makes that much difference. This difference was created by mods I have been told that give negligible gains if any. How is this possible? Nope I know I am not dreaming, no placebo effect here. On top of that my car has improved by 3-4 mpg for sure. And I don't need to dyno my car to affirm anything, I know it's true.

So we all have our opinions. People have to try something for themselves to see if it's for them. If it is, it is. If it isn't it isn't.

j1n

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I hate cars

What does that have to do with anything? So if we disagree that a product does not provide a hp increase, we're haters? That's retarded.

JCL622

haha rocky and his pulley (hit me up if you need help, also want my exhaust? i'm almost 90% sure i'm grabbing the 2010 RDX, but i didnt save parts to part out so looking to swap with ppl)

regardless of how "effective" the TBS is there are a few things we can't really deny

1) we ALL want to mod, that involves spending money. The real problem is people picking where the "deals" are and arent. - Arguably the 3G has NEVER been worth the HP to $ ratio for any mod. - our hubris gets the better of us, and we like to shit all over everything naturally as humans are programmed to do - we're just a "different" breed and we dont fall for those $15 dollar chips that gain us 15MPG and 50WHP...haha - in lieu of all this, i think this thread needs to chill out and calm down. Some ppl drop 1000W systems in their trunks (and get flamed for adding weight etc etc, slower car boo hoo hooo)....and then there are some ppl (myself included) that dropped money for the TSB...either way, it's just ANOTHER mod, unfortunately minus NOS, S/C, CAI, exhaust, precat delete - REAL REAL gains are all marginal, and even the mentioned 5 (well minus nos) was a PITA and not entirely worth the dollar/hp - but hey we LOVE the 3G, that's why we're here

2) the TBS elongates the length of air being sucked in, and does compliment the CAI very nicely (MINUS the fact that the CAI needs to be cut down ..ironic ) - that alone may be worth it to some ppl to drop the cash for the TSB (i dont remember how much it costs anymore). - i dunno if it's just me, but when i was in St. Louis, and in NY, i still get ppl asking me if there's a turbo under there (sadly no), but for the "cool" factor, it was worth it.


can't we ALL just get along??? GROUP HUG!!!

j1n

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you mad?

Opel

^^^^^what are you? in 5th grade? when someone dislikes something, its automatically assumed as hating...thats just very insecure of u about what youve done...apparently what you do is meant for more than just yourself...so u wont feel good about it untill everyone else likes and approves. too bad some ppl wont tell you exactly what you wanna hear...and someone like me sure as hell will tell you the truth...if ur lights look like shit..thats my opinion, they do...like it or not..too bad, so dont ask! can't expect everything you do to be liked and approved by others..thats just the core of insecurity.

j1n

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LMAO wow you guys are funny. seriously get over it.

lol act like im in 5th grade? im not the one arguing over the internet. i mean really what are you going to accomplish by arguing over this?.....

way-acura

How oh how did this thread degenerate to this level?

I for one think the p2r spacer helps, but it is not worth the $110. If I end up keeping my '05 tl for more than a year, I will probably invest in one. For now, I just want to install by Richie V2 jpipe.

Opel

i think the blame goes to OP lol.

it really isn't about the 100 bucks either...its about the superior claims. sometimes we will spend 100 even when its simply in our heads that something will have an effect...even if it doesnt, its what we believe, therefore we go for it....but to make such thing sound like the hand of god, its just ridiculous. and to hear "omg i feel it, i feel so much faster, hey here i comeeee , im flyinggggg) ....lets get real

I hate cars

You come in here and post that dumb picture totally unrelated to a technical discussion like a 15yr old and tell us to get over it and ask what we're trying to accomplish by arguing? Get out if you have nothing to contribute but stupid pictures that are totally off topic.

No one was arguing before this, we were discussing a mod. So don't pick a fight and then step back and ask what everyone is fighting for.

davewhodavedunn

I think people just find you (I hate cars) discouraging, I know I do on occasion because you seem to down every mod...

what mods do you think are good anyways?
do you even have a TL?

Opel

dave....you came in here asking for advice...u put up this thread...now you dont consider anything whatsoever.....everyone wants a certain mod, but need to feel sure about it, so they ask, even though they'v already made up their minds that it is the right thing to do and there isn't a thing that can change that...but still ask, and at the same time ignore anything that doesn't match their mindset. all i hear is bitching and moaning, will this do this, or will it do that, and what happens to this when i do this, what if this, what if that...and because of this and because of that...i want ice but dont want it cold, i wanna put my hand on top of the stove but dont wanna get burnt...wtfffffffffff, holy christ,,,,,buncha little girls

davewhodavedunn

ummm ok everyone just needs to chill....everyone is different and alot of people have questions, last time I check that is what this site if for...I am willing to try anything once.

EXCELERATE:

I sent a message to EXCELERATE to give me a deal on the TBS and I will report back to acurazine....I am waiting for his response to see if he will take me up on the offer, and I will do it with an open mind.

I hate cars

Check the sig. I do have a TL, plenty members have seen it. A couple have even seen the GN.

I'm not discouraging, I'm realistic. If you search back a year ago, I told everyone that the TL would be a real contender with boost in the form of a turbo. I've helped with that setup as best as I can and sure enough, it's come about and makes 430whp reliably.

I just don't believe in spending hundreds of dollars on something that may or may not give a couple hp. In just about any other car forum, mods like exhaust and CAI are just setting it up for the real mods to follow. On this forum, people spend way too much time on the "best CAI" or "best exhaust". IMO, these items are only there so you have the flow available for the real mods like cams, ported/aftermarket heads, turbo/superchargers.

7thGenV6

I think someone hit a nerve with their profit margin on this product. You are lucky if this part costs $25.

Opel

man who cares how much it costs. even if it cost nothing....if it does nothing, its a loss of my time and effort.

7thGenV6

Where and how did you derive your cost for this breakdown?

When, I see people jump in and support the supplier's as much as the individuals in here, I believe they are being supported directly by them to promote their products. That is, offering free samples in exchange of publication.

7thGenV6

+1

Opel

IHC.....whats the best filter i can use for my CAI...if i can contain ice inside the filter, will my IATs drop? perhaps more than the "special gaskets"?

i could also freeze my own ice, instead of paying a supplier for it...

roflllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

ggesq

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This thread has run its course.

OP- you have more than enough info to chew on. If you end up getting this product, post your review.

Closed.