slippry

Is there any problems i may run into if i switch the shortblocks.

csmeance

it depends on your car really, its a matter of the trans bolting up to the car, then the issue of weather the 04-06TL tranny can work with the motor (software) and the possible issues that may arise in the future (dealer reprograms ECU for diagnostic reasons). You would also have to switch out to the type-S ECU too.

Elegant TYPE S

iTrader: (2)

Isn't it easier and more cost effective to honestly just trade up? By the time your done with it.. I would think it would be more or less the same.

stillhere153

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, the price on a low mile s is soooooooo low you should trade up and put a nice down payment and be better off


unless you have a local s totalled....

slippry

well my car is supercharged and i can get a 3.2 short block new for 1100 and a 3.5 for 1300 brand new. im not sure that my supercharger will just bolt on the heads of the 3.5. the only difference ive seen in the block is the stoke. the comprassion and the bore size is the same.i leaned my motor out and im tryin to figure out what to do .

stillhere153

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ok well the supercharger will definitely bolt right up to the type s since it has already been done

I would suggest you check this out
http://www.erlperformance.com/index....=116&Itemid=99

csmeance

if you are running lean now with the S/C on the j32, you will be way to lean on the J35 and end up killing it. If you can fix the lean problem on the j32, you will be lean on the j35 and need to figure out a way to add more fuel.

adamlee05

Get the right year shortblock and everything bolts right up; tranny, heads, supercharger, sensors, lines, mounts, everything. The only real difference is casting reinforcements on some 3.5 Blocks, making the block itself tougher (not the cylinder sleaves, just the block), and rods/crank. you COULD just swap in 3.5 internals from the correct year. Do a little bit of in-debth research into it, I would personally suggest the v6 performance.net forums under 6th and 7th gen accords, paying special attention to a member of the name NVA-AV6. He does 3.5 conversions on a daily basis as a sort of side job for 6th and 7th gen accords, auto's/5speeds/6speeds, and knows these engines like the back of his hand.

Also with your lean problems, if your injectors are maxed out at 80% duty cycle already, you can swap in 2004 S2000 injectors, they're 340cc or 360cc instead of the 260(???) or something injectors the TLs have ( i cant remember the actual CC value). Either way, regardless of what you do, have your car tuned since you're using forced induction and having leaning problems.

Sorry for the long post, just thought I'd share.

TL|GTX

It's not worth, it just get a exhuast, with some pre-cats for the 1300, that will make much more power. And if he running to lean should he get a higher pressure fuel pump?

csmeance

see that's the problem. The accords can be tuned easily, the TL for some reason resists tuning and is very hard to get running tuned.

slippry

well the reason i think im running to lean is because i have the pre cat deletes , test pipe, and comptech cat back. runs good but just needs more fuel and tuned i feel so i was gonna get the aem f/ic heard it was really the best way to go since hondata doesnt want to show no love and i dont have the money for stand alone. so should i just put the j35 crank in the j32 and she replace the screwed up pistion w the same one. my car is a 05 6 speed. i just figured since its down i was gonna try something else. im just not tryin to run into problems cuz im gettin the dealer to do it

stillhere153

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and get an air fuel ratio gauge so you know where you are

adamlee05

The accord ECU and TL ECUs are essentially the same, just different base maps and timing tables. Tuning either is going to require a piggyback system, or you could go the route of an AEM EMS (not sure if there is one for you yet), though they're roughly $1,300

My guess its that really its just a common misunderstanding that the accords are more easily tuned due to the fact more people have done it so there is more documented info on doing it. Really you can just apply the same techniques. So yeah I guess it might be tougher in that sense, but the steps are essentially the same. Maybe theres something special I've yet to learn about on the 3rd gen ECU's, but given Honda's engineering I wouldn't be surprised, I love these cars

Its all up to your budget, I would just throw a J37 bottom end under the hood if everything bolts up....I dont know much about that engine's trans bolt patterns or head fitment unfortunately. I just started my own J35 build for my 2nd gen, luckily for me its well documented

Again, I would research NVA-AV6's builds and tuning techniques, I'm sure you'll learn something that can help you with your build or tuning issues.

Either way, GOOD LUCK!

Richie v6

The J35 and J37 blocks dont bolt up to the TL trans. You will need the block from a J32 and drop in the internals. The biggest you can go is a J36 using MDX internals.

stillhere153

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^ unless you get a tl-s block and tl-s trans

adamlee05

Thanks Richie, I wasn't sure they bolted up

If you bored 1mm over the J37 internals fit no problem. Unfortunately thats the service limit on the cylinder walls, so no boost or nos, pure NA. The guy I mentioned before did it for another member and it put down just over 300whp and torque. If I had the funds, thats the way I would go with my own build...but I'm a poor student

slippry

if i were to put the mdx internals in w the comprassion ratio that it has do u think it would be ok w the super charger or should i get low comprassion forged pistions and rods???

csmeance

The J37 MDX internals? You would be cutting it really close with the S/C since the walls will be too thin since the block will need to be bored out. IF you go with lower compression, you can run more boost, but there's a problem. Since you can't tune the car and it's already lean, with more boost you'll be bound to screw up the motor again.

Richie v6

You can use CL-s pistons to drop your compression to 10.1 I think.

ussi

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I honestly think your best bet is going with J35 or J37 internals. That's going to be your best bang for buck. Take a look at NVA-AV6's builds, he documents his builds pretty well and he has a J36 build in the works. Last I saw he was even incorporating oil squirter's from the RL in his build! Don't even think about dropping a TL-S block in there unless you want to dish out a few more G's on a new tranny, and then you're going to need a new ECU too, it's just going to complicate things. Also, boring out isn't going to do much for you either unless you're thinking of running some serious boost but it sounds like you're only pushing 5psi, and again you're going to run into leaning issues. Oh, and CL-S pistons will get you down to 10.5:1 which might be a good idea.

I'm still looking into different fuel/ tuning options for my J35 conversion which had some bugs in itself. Although, I think I might have had a small breakthrough..I'll update my thread when I know for sure!

adamlee05

If you use a standard J35 block you'd be running 10:1. If so, that would be very stable for boost. The stock internals can take the heat no problem.

If you were still worried about the rods being able to handle the boost, have them shot-peened. That will correct any small stress-risers as well as make the outermost layer more dense. The rods are the most stressed part of the engine after all. If you want to go a step further you can send them off to be cryo-treated. There's a place that does them for 10$ a rod.

You can also install oil-jets from the RL for pretty cheap, helping keep those non-forged pistons happy.

I hate that everyone else is doing the stuff I can't afford to do

youngcheezy

i know for a fact you can swap out the internals of the 3.5 MDX block into the 3.2 TL block and it will be the same as stroking it to a 3.5 liter. that way you dont have to worry about the tranny case bolting up properly.

but IMO, just go and trade up on a new 08 TL type-s like i just did last week. it feels soo damn good to be out of the weaker 04 -06 TL 6MT and into the much superior 3.5 type-s 6MT. my only regret is that i wish i did this sooner.

FCVadi

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Trading up is nice but you lose the fun of experimenting and tuning.. there is nothing like tweaking your car and knowing it goes faster because of your hard work and not the manufactures....

that being said I would trade up then tweak some more .. too bad I do not have money to do either... so sad