enigmaos

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please keep us posted.

stillhere153

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ndabunka was probably pulling an april fools... I hope he isn't tho

06wdp-tl - it is a garett turbo (and stop playing devils advocate lol)

dragonlord

Hopefully we could get this to work. I tried going the Lovejoy way- but they never got back with me. They're the ones with the 800HP NSX. Maybe I'll try again.

dragonlord

Too early for my mind- it's Lovefab!

chill_dog

That's good Sandman. Are you bringing this turbo charged monster to the meet on the 12th?

MichaelBenz

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Please Continue All Engine Management Talks Over Here...

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177540

Thanks! Mikey

dragonlord

I got a response from Lovefab. Going to set up a meeting with him about a turbo kit. He said they would use the AEM FIC system. So I will know a little more in a couple of days. I just have to see when I can make it up there.

Turboara

sts are good kits, like people above stated, they are popular with v8 crowd b/c there is not much room in the engine bay for the turbos, I/C's and plumbing. Also you wont need custom manifolds to bolt the turbos too. A lot piping though in them. I've seen a C5 vette with the kit, its pretty sick... although I'd be scared I'd hit a pothole or some crap on the ground and bust something loose b/c they are pretty low to the ground in the rear. As for lag, you wont care for a pure drag car, like the hondas with 60 trims, but for a drivable street car, it would be pretty anoying. If you want to build a drag car though, why start with a nice fancy TL???

stillhere153

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honestly... I don't think the kit will be mounted low at all... if you've ever seen the bottom of the car you can see the jpipe... it hangs low... since the turbine will be back where the mufflers are located you'd figure that it will be slightly lower ground clearance than the mufflers themselves... I really don't think ground clearance is a problem, but I do think harsh weather could shorten the life of the turbo...

dragonlord

At NOPI Michigan last year, there was a Chevy Cavalier with a similar set-up. I would not have seen the turbo if he hadn't had a mirror on the ground underneath.

swift22

The only problem i have with the STS is that your car really shouldn't be daily driven with it on. However it is a great power adder. One guy with a legend finally did it but on that forum he was chased away because the guys are dicks.

As far as lovefab goes, cody is doing some really good work right now so make sure to ask for a test drive in his newest setup(turbo in trunk).

I am also in the business of custom kits etc, however I am not ready to take this project on even though I have told my distributor that the j-series is next on my list.

Good luck!

I hate cars

If I were doing it, I would put it in place of the mid muffler or even remove the rear mufflers and put the turbo on one side and you'd have nearly stock ground clearance. If you have to do it this way, the farther forward the better. I can't remember if there was room if you put it in place of the third cat.

Harsh weather won't hurt it if you're clever with the intake plumbing. Instead of a filter straight on the turbo, you could fabricate an inlet system that could pull air from a different source or at the minimum a baffle.

It's a shame though. The head design of the TL is just begging for a turbo bolted directly to each head. I have more than enough turbos laying around. Hopefully by the time I'm done making payments on the car someone will have cracked the computer.

JCL622

yeap, it's all still in getting thru to the chip.

it's actually pretty frustrating, if you look at alot of the new cars coming, they are making it harder and harder....anyone read up on how locked down the 09' GT-R is? in japan speed governor is satallite linked and only unlocked on specific speed circuits at preset times. Also Engine management and aftermarket add ons are being given to Greddy and some few other companies.....

so frustrating!!!

THE SLEEPER

Its pretty funny to see the topic of forced induction and the TL go this long once again, when clearly the issue is in the tuning.

screaminz28

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I'd say you've never driven one then. On the interstate, my friends turbo B18 civic actually pulls away from a 125mph trap LS1 powered RX7. While it might not be the best on the track, there's more to driving than just a 1/4 mile at a time. The DSM crowd finally got on the right track and started to chuck the tiny internal wastegate crap for bigger and better.

I don't see why you say there would be no power until right before its time to shift? If the motor is done right, peak power on a turbo honda would be around 8500 - 8900 rpms. If you have full boost at 5K, that's still more rpm range than most domestics even have, and the car just keeps getting faster, instead of being torque monsters and then running out of steam.

Eoanou

I've brought this up before, and the general consensus of the forum, as aforementioned by a previous poster was that it was "unrealistic" feasible, but it'll take a good amount of work man. If Hondata was commited to tuning our motor and creating a reflash you could have asked them for help, but I believe they've given up on the TL due to a lack of interest from the forum.

I will say this though, tuning our engine is a problem that can be solved by throwing money at it, the only problem is if you've got enough.

ndabunka

! BINGO !
I did drag it out a bit though. I do that three buddies who have the STi's. They said....sorry, can't tune the TL with what we have.....so, yes it was a ruse... my apologies to the faithful

ndabunka

Sorry I won't be able to make it. I'm at the beachhouse that week. Myrtle here I come!

NBPacuraTL

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Isn't one of the advantages of the STS kit is that since the intake charge piping runs down the underside of the car, the air running through the underside of the car cooling the intake charge somewhat? or is it so minor that it really wouldn't matter.

Ah, the thoughts of having a turboed TL. That would be so bad ass lol. I guess we'll just have to keep on dreaming.

I hate cars

On the interstate is great for a ricer. I personally don't like to do gay 80-150mph races on public streets. I don't want a car that comes alive well past the legal speed limit. I prefer usable power. It's great your friend's car pulls hard at 125mph. How many buslengths does the LS1 put on him before then? It's nice how these people make up races to suit their particular car because they can't cut it from a standing start.

You still ignore the transient response of a big turbo/small motor car. Even if it "can" spool by 5K, it's going to be slow getting there. They are absolutely no fun on the street.

As for the internal wastegate comment, if they work, they work. At some point you have to upgrade but the DSM crowd used to be about going fast as cheap as possible on stock stuff. I've run into more cams/ported head DSMs lately that were slower than the old days when they wanted to see how far they could go on the stock longblock.

How many turbo cars have you owned?

I hate cars

It's pretty minor. It's too bad you couldn't use the pipe as a cooler with both external and internal fins but I'm sure it would be way too restictive if it had fins like the inside of an intercooler.

stillhere153

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well the sts kit is away from the motor so there is no engine bay heat... cooling isn't a problem then...

I would think the best way would be to have it located on the passenger side muffler... single exit...

NBPacuraTL

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LOL, I was thinking that also. Don't really like the sound of that...

ndabunka

Since a turbo is driven off of air pressure, it would be better to have as much air as possible, right? Therefore, using only 50% of the air as stated here would seem to provide only about 50% of the functionality. So, it seems to me that you would want it directly connected to the composite air flow.

Also, since heat expands air any cooling would also reduce the air pressure so the further from the heat source the less benefit. However, I don't think there is going to be a tremendous amount of heat reduction due to the distance from manifold to exhaust tip.

I hate cars

The heat in the intake charge is from the compression of the air. It will make no difference where the turbo is located, the heat will still be there.

On the turbine side, you want to retain as much heat as possible and keep the distance from engine to turbo as short as possible for spool. Placing the turbo at the rear of the car does not do this.

I don't know if you meant feeding the turbo with only 1/2 the exhaust or if you were talking about installing it in one muffler location and feeding it with all of the exhaust. 1/2 of the exhaust would not produce any boost.

donc

One thing missing here is how to put the HP to the ground. My type S on dry pavement is about all that FWD can handle on a daily driver - another 60 - 100 hp + increased torque would shred front tires and you couldn't use it in the corners.

stillhere153

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dunno what tires or suspension setup you are running.... but I wouldn't mind some more power beyond just shredding rubber in 1st... ps enjoy my video - http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQClCLgcOwY

tidus888

why not use the high boost pulley for the CT supercharger =)

stillhere153

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Hbp = chewed up motor

Might aswell run a 150shot of nitrous

THE SLEEPER

What type of fuel system does the TL use? Is the problem not enough fuel? Is it a returnless system? Does the TL pull pulsewidth as fuel press. is increased? If you cant crack the programming on the TL, cant it be "tricked"?

I hate cars

We need a way to PROPERLY deliver more fuel via extra pulswidth and not fuel pressure (except to cover the differential pressure of the blower).

The other problem is running boost on an 11:1 motor that has a problem with pinging when stock.

If I were to run a blower with HBP I would either keep it on a steady diet of 100 unleaded or run one of the progressive methanol kits meant for my GN as the additional fuel. The methanol would be a real solution to the fueling and octane problem if someone would try it.

ndabunka

You need to read a bit more. Closed loop system. No data available during delivery. No way to "fool" the system. Kinda sucks but until someone cracks it....we got VERY little to work with.

I hate cars

This is why, until someone cracks the computer, I think a progressive methanol kit is the answer. You're feeding extra fuel via an external source and it's 130 octane to counteract the fact that we can't retard the timing. The cooling effect doesn't hurt either on all of the non-intercooled superchargers we have running around.

I have done this before. Different car but the same principals apply. I was out of fuel, injectors were running 100% duty cycle (20% more than what's considered safe), and it still wasn't enough. Until I could get bigger injectors, I ramped up the methanol delivery and it worked great.

A good kit is $400. You're not going to get the kind of gains AND saftey from any other product for that kind of money.