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So my bro bough an 08 tl type s.

Eventually he will be wanting to mod the car and I know the exhaust on these cars is very restrictive.

I understand there is the rv6 j pipe and the xlr8 j pipe. Both eliminate the third car... Is this ok? Will it cause a cel or will he not pass emissions?

If he stays with the stock pre cats and removes the third one at the end is that ok? Cause my car only has one cat which is a high flow and it passes emissions.

Thanks guys

paperboy42190

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legally, can you remove the 3rd cat? no.
do most people do it? yes
will it pass smog? yes on the sniffer, no on the visual

WolfgangVonBrutal

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^^ What he said, but also to add some info:

It will pass emissions, and will fail the visual only if the person running the test knows to look for the third cat, it seems that a lot of people around here don't have issues with the visual for that reason. I've got the RV6 j-pipe and it's been great so far, my only complaint is that it didn't come with any lock washers for the precats so I had to get underneath and re-tighten the bolts after a while (not sure if it was supposed to come with them and I just didn't get them or what).

justnspace

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^it's a very good idea to recheck the torque on anything that deals with heat.

and they are self locking bolts...

BiggPinyot

You Cali guys aren't having issues with smog?

Nick216

Idk about other states but NY all new cars dont require a visual, they only plug it into the computer. Ive passed with xlr8 v2

Richie v6

They should come with flanged locking nuts. Our precats are set up exactly the same as OE.

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Yea I got cai, headers, xlr8 high flow cat on my cls and it passes the sniffer no problem. It smells a bit but whatever, I want all the power and sound I can get at wide open throttle.

K so long story short I should be getting the rv6 j pipe or the xlr8 j pipe? Both cancel out the third cat

BiggPinyot

I believe Cali laws are some of the most strict emissions laws. So I am curious as to how the Cali guys are getting along with it.

justnspace

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^there is no sensor on the third cat.

it will pass.

most times, the tech doesnt look for the third cat, as it's under the car.

JoshD_99EM1

I have seen inspections done in NY and I can say for sure that if they didn't know it had a third cat from the factory it wouldnt even be questioned. Now living in SC and we have no inspections nor emissions.. its pretty much a free for all

Excelerate

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Both are good products. We use T304 Stainless steel and our j-pipes are made here in the US.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-494454.aspx

azeezp13

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Ontario only does OBII test now. So long as you don't have a CEL, you will pass.

TLOHTL

Go XLR8 v2.
You won't be disappointed.
I have had : Rv6 v3 ( lost power ; Search is your friend I have posted Dyno up )
2ndly the Rasp is ...........
Lastly the build quality is NOT up to par. It looks like the same "metal" that is found on cheap NO NAME e-bay Exhaust Components. ( over seas " metal " )

I had a ATLP v2 ( decent unit ) but I sold it to a customer of mine.

I just received the XLR8 v2 j-pipe yesterday.... And it looks AMAZING. The QUALITY is REALLY QUALITY !
Will install prob today.
Will see if the DYNO is available ill do a b4/after.

Anyways to the OP : I know your asking about which J-pipe to go with for your bros TYPE-S , I would say XLR8 v2 !
I would also suggest a AEM cold air intake v1/v2, RV6 V3 PCD's & lastly a XLR8 cat-back. Your bro will be pleased !

SilverSurfer101

That answers almost all of my questions! Thanks TLOHTL!

justnspace

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how can you say one pipe lost power when XLR8 designed and modeled his after the RV6

Dumb fucks

they all produce power.


but the great thing about having options, is that you can pick which one you want.
they all produce power.

long primaries and bigger diameter pipe= power gained. duhh

FamilyGuy

I've also felt a slight loss in the top end, but gained in the low and mid range. Heeltoe also posted some dyno results and after testing, concluded that a dyno can vary widly due to our ECU's nature of constantly learning and changing parameters.

I had the opposite experience. With a set of HFPCs, I had a lot of rasp and drone with the XRL8 J-pipe and exhaust. I have no rasp at all with the RV6 J-pipe and exhaust, and drone is within tolerance (for me), certainly much lower than before.

I don't agree with this at all. Both my XLR8 and RV6 units showed great quality builds. My mechanic was equally impressed as well.

+1 on the AEM V2 CAI.

With PCDs, you will def have rasp. You'll need a bigger resonator than what comes on the XLR8 exhaust to get rid of it.



IMO, choose the J-pipe according to your exhaust choice. If you want to keep it a single exhaust, go with the XLR8 J-pipe. If you want a dual exhaust, go with the RV6 J-pipe. My $0.02.

Richie v6

Whoa whoa Frank. No need post malicious insults since we didn't take your lowball offer. Since 2011 you have been emailing every couple of months for "wholesale quotes" because you own a "shop" telling me you will also talking to ATLP and XLR8. I guess XRL8 bit...........

Something is definitely up with your dyno. As I recalled you made a unheard of 10+ WHP with a intake and lost power with my jpipe. Sorry to tell you all the current jpipes are pretty much just a free flowing Y-pipe. Everyone uses the same 2.25" runner and 2.5" exit combo. You might see 3-5WHP different at different parts of the power band. We just got our dyno up and running and will post up some new sheets soon.

Yes we order bends for our V3 jpipe from Taiwan. However final assembly is done here and the materials certified. If all goes well we will have a own mandrel bender in ~ 1 year and make our own bends as well. The rest of our tubing sections for the rest of our products are made in the US aside from some elbows.

Jpipes don't really affect sound, some exhaust just cant handle the increased flow and produce rasp.

Now time for the wall of wasted time.

At least you finally purchased a jpipe from someone.

After Googling FPmotorsports I guess your treat your customers worst than your vendors. I want nothing to do with it. All future wholesale inquires will be ignored.

Nick216

Not to get involved here but how does someone pay for a jpipe install when you own a shop? I r confused

ssbusa

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Wow that's pretty interesting, glad you responded Richie.

Excelerate

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Just to clarify:

We didn't model our j-pipe after RV6. We've never even purchased a RV6 j-pipe. Does it delete the third cat, yes. There's only so many ways to make a j-pipe. For that matter we could say ATLP V3 is a copy of the XLR8 V2 j-pipe since it looks very similar. It's just the nature of fabricating j-pipes with cat deletes.

justnspace

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right, there are oh so many ways to make a jpipe.
maybe, I used the wrong words. Didnt mean to say you copied exactly, but used the same formula.
The use of longer primaries and deleting the third cat is common across all the jpipes.



So, it's silly to say "oh, this pipe made 3 more hp than the other"
as 3hp is negligible on the street. as it takes about 30 hp to feel in a 3500lb car.

your Jpipe is awesome!
Richie's jpipe is awesome!

they both do the same thing and provide the same things.
and that's the great thing about being competitive, there are now more choices available to consumers.

-Justin


*edit
there are differences in the jpipes other than horsepower.
We as consumers over look a lot of things that go into making a jpipe.

for example; one company touts a specific use of steel.

then, we have the other company who has a full line of exhaust and has made the jpipe into a true X-over for a true dual exhaust.

there are things at play, other than horsepower gains.

paperboy42190

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lol I'm interested to hear what frank has to respond with

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What a dilemma you guys have put me in lol.

I will say. I only bought one thing from excelerate which was the high flow cat and it was flawless. They also re commended the proper defouler which is a weird bent one because a normal straight one would have screwed me lol, to rid the car of a cel. Highly impressed with the quality when it arrived I must say.

VicTL06

Richie v6

Vote for RV6 to help fund further J-Series developments.

6spd-GERCO

T-u-r-b-o K-i-t?

Nick216

Wholesale turbo kit!?! Im down . Lolll

Excelerate

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:agreed:

And yes we use US T304 stainless steel and our j-pipes are made here in the US.

Richie v6

Already in the works.

Sure, but I am not matching Josh's imaginary price -10%.

Bruce Banner

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Any sales coming up?

Chef107

FTW!!

6spd-GERCO

[QUOTE=Richie v6;15092636]Already in the works.





Lol.. you just have to buy 10... only

Excelerate

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Huh?

Richie v6

Nothing just joking about how some customers love to try and make us undercut each other.

Nick216

Marcus was the one with 10%

Richie v6

I am guessing Josh went 10%+ to undercut Marcus

Excelerate

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Oh yea, I get it all the time. Maybe we'll have to start communicating more. I don't have enough margins on my parts to take off 10%. I wish I did; I would lower my price. As it is my costs went up 10% on my j-pipes and I raised my retail price only 5%.

tomlinsonj

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FWIW, the jpipe debate usually comes down to what rpm range you'd like the power to be made. I have the RV6v3, and based the purchase on low-mid range results. Others who value higher rpm power may look elsewhere, but for daily enjoyment of a performance part, I chose daily driver rpm power production. I love the looks and features of the latest xlr8 and atlp pipes too. They may even sound a tad different - who knows? I know my exhaust sound is modest + performance-oriented; check my dyno video. But would I drop my rv6v3 for either of them now that I've had it on for over 2 years? Nope.

justnspace

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^lies man.
I swear you cant tell the difference on the street.
3hp any where on the tach will not make a difference, especially on an automatic TL.
upgrading to an aftermarket Jpipe will yield results, regardless of the brand.


The differentiating factor would be: customer service being #1. then the consumer would want to weigh the steel factor. what's the jpipe made of? is that important to you? (areas that snow and how the ice is treated on the streets would be a main concern of mine)
also, the ability to upgrade jpipes is possible with one company.
the consumer would have to weigh out which company he/she would like to go with.


competition brings awesomeness!