erick3

hello all
i'm sure there's a thread around already having reviewed richie's products, but in the end, i felt obligated to post separately; i ran into quite a few problems, and long story short, richie aided me in fixing/finishing all of them (plus Ale: ))!

a few months back, i purchased the j-pipe, race pipe, and pre-cat deletes (used) from stillhere153 - thanks ale! installed a few weeks later (richie sent me brand new pre-cats); i would have installed sooner if i had the confidence to do so. despite, the install took 2 nights, unfortunately because our "team" got stuck on a stupid bolt that just WOULD NOT come off on the rear cat. overall the install was fairly straight forward. initial start up was FRIGHTENING...the car sounded great though! as for the performance...let's just say the power's definitely there. i haven't been able to get any clips, but i'll try to do so SOON. as of recently, i've been pushing the car VERY hard...and the power pushes the car up to higher speeds quite unexpectedly our spirited runs have been...interesting to say the least. i've had a few encounters with G's, Z's, and other odd ended Subi's and Hondas...i held my ground unfortunately, lower end torque is lacking...hence my SHOCK at how quickly i went from 65 to...such higher speeds . Anyways, the power package was worth every penny! Only complaint is the smell, but it's expected...and i seem to be finding more and more ways to work around it...it's all good.

ALSO, Richie's strut bar's some good stuff. I get over-steer! TeehhHhHeeEEeEe! Definitely holds the car down and body roll up front is most certainly decreased. I'm confident...trust me...I beat that shitz and it held on TIGHT! Thank you Richie!!!

Acura Jeff

It sounds like the mod you made just shifted your power band. I must ask if most of ones driving around is less than 65 MPH (per your comment) then does it make sense to do the mod and accept coming out of the hole slow?

I am starting to think the mod is just trading one end of the spectrum's power for the other. What do you guys think? I realize it may be tough to admit something unpleasant after making an investment.

Hi speed

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This guy went from 3 stock ULEV cats and J-pipe to no cats and larger better flowing J-pipe. The loss of back presure accounts for the loss in low end TQ and the nice increase in both HP and TQ up top. I think taking your cats off is a pretty crazy mod, so unless your are thinking of going the same route the loss in TQ is not there with just an aftermarket J-pipe. The stock Cats are restrictive enough to keep good back pressure, pull them off and I could see power loss down low.

I know the J-pipe, cat back and high flow cats made a huge improvement with the supercharger, but I installed the blower before the exhaust.

D R E W

want to race for pinks?

stillhere153

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glad I could help... yea I duno what happend to the precats I had, they were from the first batch, and NYC winter doesn't help much, so there was a hairline crack on the front from what I was told...

and yes I will agree there is a lack of low end... but that is pretty much useless on a car that lives at 6k rpms... I found that downshifting solved low end tq problems... afterall in 1st gear the low end tq being absent prior to 2k rpms kills the oversteer... course at soon as its in 2nd at vtec your chirping tires.... in an auto thats just sick

erick3

LOL if only don't we have IDENTICAL mods mr. 3.5L type s you bastard... LOL

woo

i do

D R E W

with my R-V6 i get a good kick from the low-end. oh yah, word from a little birdie is i heard that stefan got his RL dynoed but it didn't put down what was expected.........

erick3

lol ^ he has 40lb wheels! yikes! are you still down to dyno?

when did you get the p2r package?

D R E W

i'm still down to dyno... probably after i get everything installed. i ordered the P2R package from Excelerate over the weekend. it will be here this coming Friday and I will have it installed shortly.

JwongTLS

So the precats kills your low end torque?

erick3

uh...i'm not an expert, but i believe it's a combination of the pre-cats and the j-pipe. low end torque is created by back pressure...the back pressure is/was created by the bottle necking -> 2.25 to 2.5. someone correct me if i'm wrong, in which i probably am...despite, it's somewhere along those lines. the pre-cats, j-pipe and test pipe are all 2.5 in diameter...hence it's more free-flowing with no bottle necking

Richie v6

Heres my Accord dyno stock VS precats delete, jpipe, and exhaust. You don't loose low end, after 4.5Krpm the beast is released.........

erick3

^ see, look @ that

erick3

just out of curiosity, how many strut bars you have left in stock richie?

Richie v6

Not a lot less then 10.

NBPacuraTL

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Wait. It's stock accord vs. a bolt-on accord dyno? So with pre-cat deletes, j-pipe, & exhaust, you only gained 15 hp?!

Richie v6

I do have a smaller motor, 15WHP isn't enough?

NBPacuraTL

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I thought 15whp was gains from just pre-cat deletes alone, not pre-cat deletes, j-pipe, and exhaust. I could of swore I've read that somewhere on here

Richie v6

Maybe on a TL-S not on the Accords, 15WHP is a good gain for an Accord with just exhaust mods. .

NBPacuraTL

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ah, ok

beast5319

I think 15 whp is pretty good consitering that NO hp or tq was lost anywhere in the power band...it was an increase EVERYWHERE!

erick3

^ for sure man! 15 ponies from a $550 package compared to the 60 hp gain from a $5000 supercharger

stillhere153

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dunno the low end balogny is just hearsay I quoted... all I know is when I had my tl-s it was 2.25 at the head, 2.5" to the tail... and um... yea there was that thing about the single exhaust... but when my tl-s was stock... sunny 201 (07 3.2liter) left my ass in dust and he had rv6 full package and an aem intake with greddy evo2 catback... I was pretty much stock (07 3.5 liter after being parted out) minus a lightweight crank pulley

mmp1214

i just looked at blakura's dyno thread, he said that the pre-cats make 16whp i guess its different for everyone, but its still amazing

Sonnick

Yes, but Richie..you're dyno wasn't "corrected." The stock dyno was from another 6MT on another dyno. Also, it dyno'd on the high end for stock @ 215whp. Someone on dyno'd a 10whp gain from just the Comptech exhaust. Every dyno is different, as long as you stay on the same dyno and quote each gain, it's whatever. 1/4 mile times are what counts in terms of power. A 225whp car can be faster than a 250whp car with the right driver

JS08TLS

So with pre-cat deletes, jpipe and exhaust it only made 4whp until 5K then it made ~16whp? Thats not really impressive I know its on a 3.0 liter so it would yeild more on a 3.5 liter but not anywhere near double. ??

beast5319

exactly

7thGenV6

I prefer the Borla exhaust, which yields 12HP, and backed by a solid Million Mile Warranty.

erick3

^ does Borla even make a complete kit for the TL's? Tips are available though?

mmp1214

^is that true, 4" diameter is CRAZY! that thing must be louder than anything ive ever heard and ive heard 3" piping on my prelude i got that changed like 2 days later i couldnt deal with it.

Speedy Six

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I think the 4" dimension refers to the outside, overall diameter of the 20" long resonator, not the piping diameter. Since the system splits into two 1.75in pipes I would expect the pipe diameter at the resonator is probably between 2.25" and 2.5", but most likely 2.5". The final outlet tips are 4" though.

7thGenV6

Unfortunately, Borla does not offer the cat back system for TL owners. I am very satisfied with the fit and finish of the pipes. The T409 SS allows the pipes to reveal a mirror like finish after polishing them, where the competitor's are using inferior metal and are dull.

Acura Jeff

Too bad we cannot convince Borla to make a system for the TLs.

I wonder why our vendors don't match the Borla warranty of a million miles.

The 12 HP gain is pretty impressive for a mild sounding exhaust system.

stillhere153

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dude million mile warranty.. thats bs talk right there...if you put a million miles on the tl you'd have less things to worry about

Acura Jeff

You may want to talk to Dave Borla about his million mile warranty.

I think if anyone commits to that type of warranty they must feel pretty strong about their product. Who else is willing to take on that type of risk?

greco9885

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borla? what are we driving SUVS? LOL....

anyway, i gotta be complete honest here, i lost low end torque with richies v1 j pipe, and i gained it back with the atlp. BUT while looking at richies v2 j pipe, it sure does look ALOT better than the v1. it definitely is going to flow alot better than the v1, but time will tell!

NedShneebly

^i'm glad i will get that low end back with an exhaust, and i'm even more stoked that ATLP came out with a design I like.

so, do you think the V1 just has a top heavy torque curve, or, does it simply produce less than the others?

NedShneebly

You're gonna spend a few more Benji's than just the face value of the S/C, and the S/C doesn't gain that 60 whp until about 6300-6500 rpms (5AT) https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ercharger+dyno

Acura Jeff

Many of the Accord enthusiasts seem to go with Borla. It is hard to beat the warranty and awesome sound.