You have to do both the cam gears and crank gear, planning on about 20d advance, which you then set a 20d retard in the FIC and reduce the retard to actually create a advance, ie you would reduce the retard 10d in a cell to create a 10d advance.

 

Is it not simply possible to advance by 10 degrees via the FIC? or is it limited to around 5?

 

From what I have gotten from AEM the FIC will only allow retarding of timing. No advance. ?!?!?!?!?!?

 

You'd need a set of THESE, more to come at a later date on that. Using these, you'd have to make a trigger bracket, easy, then figure out a simple crank trigger which sounds like your on top of it.

 

Well after a lot of thought and along with the fact that I am a max dollar per HP guy... this is my plan. I am going to focus on a 3.7 MDX block. TL S heads, go a step or two in injector size and a few clicks higher in N20 jetting. Ill let the stock ECU do it thing. Seeing as it keeps the A/F at about 12.5 under WOT which is pretty close to where I would tune it anyway (off the bottle) This entire set up will cost far less than a 4500 blower kit and if I can pull it off I dont think there will be a TL S who has a chance in putting down more power to the ground. I have EVERYTHING to do this except a 3.7 block. I even have a extra TL S heads and block to experiment on. I may sell the block to fund the purchase of an MDX block but I really wanted to have a backup 3.5 block JIC. Just need to see it the heads will fit on the 3.7 block. Hey CSMEANCE... Can I borrow your truck for a day?!?!?!

 

The heads will fit the block, but your tranny will NOT, the bell housing pattern is different on the J37 block, now what you can do is take your J32A3 block and use the J37 crank and rods to get to a J36.

 

In all honesty, i don't think the J37 will hold up with any sort of boost. If I got the S/C and the built motor in the mdx, sure, why not

 

^ um.. it may be a while to get it considering the car isnt even out yet, but what about the new TL SH-AWD Block?
It uses the same grade-logic tranny from the 07+ TL-S... so it should fit on the tranny? no ?

09+ RL
J37A2

Displacement: 3,664 cm3 (3.7 L)
Bore and stroke: 90.0 mm x 96.0 mm (3.54" x 3.78")
Compression: 11.2:1
Power; torque: 300 hp @ 6300 rpm; 271 lb. ft. @ 5000 rpm
Valvetrain: 24v SOHC VTEC
Fuel control: Multi-point fuel injection; PGM-FI


09 TL SH-AWD

J37A4
Displacement: 3,664 cm3 (3.7 L)
Bore and stroke: 90.0 mm x 96.0 mm (3.54" x 3.78")
Compression: 11.2:1
Power; torque: 305 hp @ 6300 rpm; 273 lb. ft. @ 5000 rpm
Valvetrain: 24v SOHC VTEC (intake and exhaust)
Fuel control: Multi-point fuel injection; PGM-FI

engines look similar.. but i can only assume the SH-AWD Ecu would cause massive amounts of problems considering our car is only FWD.... both cars come standard with SH-AWD.. as does the MDX (or does it? not sure)

 

the J37's out now are in the RL, TL and the MDX. Both come with SH-AWD standard.

 

wheres the J37A3 ?

A1 = MDX
A2 = RL
A4 = TL

 

I thought the single dual tip 4th genner was fwd, and double dual tip 4th genner was sh-awd

edit: the 3.5 is fwd, 3.7 is sh-awd lol

 

^ correct

SH-AWD gets the quads

its a glorified type-s...however, the SH-AWD has 19 more ponies, BUT almost 400lbs heavier!!!! ...i hope to see a SH-AWD-S

anyways back on topic... we're getting some good info in this thread!!!! lets keep talking about tuning the 3.5L

 

i got the tech manual...ill get you whatever you need!!!

 

also, what about the blower that was on ebay a few months ago that looked like it mounted on top of the intake? if i remember correctly i think it said it would fit a 3.5 and the pulley was right there on top...just curious since this thread is actually going somewhere...

 

Yeah my bad. Got excited about the prospect of a 3.7 swap and got off topic. I really feel that tuning a N/A tl will yield minimal if any gains but may help a blown TL. would def go with the fic as it can retard timing, add fuel, and move vtec. All of these go nice with a blower. as far as blower and size.. howbout a high boost pulley to increase cfms on the 3.5? the additional boost may offset the additional volume and essentially give the same effect as a stock pulley on a 3.2. obviously more wear and tear on the unit but no more than some of the guys running the hb pulley are already doing.

 

so why isn't someone with the Type-S using the FIC????

 

^ i think i might be a the guinea pig.. just dont want to waste my money!!

 

whats the difference between

30-1910
30-1911

both are F/IC-6

 

30-1910 is the universal for most apps
30-1911 is specific for the S2K I believe, there is also 30-1912 and a 30-1913, one of whioch is specific to the chyrsler 300

 

^ so since you really seem to know your stuff

what unit should i be purchasing to start tuning my car N/A ?? FI/C ?

and will that also be the best unit for tuning once i get S/C'ed ? I really want to start all the work and part gathering on this.. so come springtime, i'm F/I'ed

 

^ Can't wait to see this...has anyone tried the AEM FIC??

 

Althoug I have not installed one on a 7th gen or 3rd gen TL "YET", based off of conversations with AEM I would say the 30-1910.

 

With the extra airflow of the 3.5 or 3.7, the HBP might be needed just to make the same boost as the 3.2 but of course it will be flowing more air at the same boost pressure.

 

 

we need to tune my 3.2 as well, forgeting about the J32??

 

So if i go invest $ into an AEM FI/C and boomslang harness... will i get positive / worthwhile results? can i then use it to tune the S/C...

in order to clone what comptechs ACM does, i would need to adjust MAP, Air Fuel trim, lower vtech and i believe a knock sensor... although the knock sensor on the last page looked pretty cool to me

 

vtech

If you s/c, you will need to adjust the timing on it, so you would need some timing gears. If you do procede with the FI/C, you might want to look at having VTEC engage at early RPM's, like 3K so the aggressive cam setup works when boost is present.

 

^ wow nice spelling error on my part....totally missed that one

for s/c, do you advance or retard the timing? i really hope i can get positive results of the fi/c... seems to be the better choice, and i plan on getting some within a month.. to start my tuning

USSI... what are you planning to use for your tune once the new build is complete? still the comptech/hondata ??

 

I will definately let you know what the F/IC can do, im trying to get mines working on my car now.

check out this link for more info

http://forum.aempower.com/forum/inde...oard,89.0.html

 

I'm really impressed with the amount of technical info in this thread. There are a lot of J series enthusiast/experts in this thread. It's a good read.

 

you are trying to get it to work on a CL-S or do you have a 3G too?

 

He is a CL-S with some engine mods...

 

Yeah that was my thinking. I thought it was an easy workaround since they were saying the stock blower may be too small for the 3.5.

 

I wouldnt even bother with the FIC on N/A. Cars run so close to what you would wanna tune it to anyway. Itll be nice to have later once you get the blower set up should you need it. I would most likely budget for it but not pull the trigger till you get the rest of the gear on the car and see how it acts. Going up a size in injectors and fuel pump may be all you need to stay strong once you are boosted. The factory computer may be able to compensate. More air (blower) more fuel (injectors) may balance out nicely and if the computer can keep it around 13.1 A/F I think you may be ok. Just a thought.

 

RDX injectors fit with minimal modifications? how big are they? how big are the stock 3G injectors?

 

it looks like lookinco did get the FI/C done, but with some issues:
http://forum.aempower.com/forum/inde...c,22415.0.html

 

yea CLS-6, hit a little bump in the road with it at the moment so put the FIC to the side for a minute to focus on getting my custom exhuast built so when I do get the FIC right I have better potential gains opposed to the stock exhaust.

 

The only reason to put a FIC on NA is if you have major engine mods, like going from 3.2L to 3.5L or even 3.7L, with that amount of displacement change you are outside the base maps form the factory that you need to adjust them.

 

For those building 3.5/3.7L's..........

Did anyone sleeve their block or hone it out to 90mm yet and use aftermarket pistons??

I am looking for a forged 90mm piston without having to custom order one just yet. I swear someone is running this bore?????

Ps- these blocks have forged internals and a 4bolt main, they can EASILY hold 400whp, pistons are the weak spot.

 

PS_ MOderators can you clean up the beginning of this thread and delete posts by wannabee banned loser. Thanks in advance. This will be a great thread, i guarantee it.